eyeball Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Not saying this is false, but he lost the politics of it. It's about the politics of it. Everyone lost the politics notwithstanding places where most of the electorate lost their shit. Now the politics is theirs to lose. Shouldn't take long really. Certainly no more than a term. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Queenmandy85 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 36 minutes ago, eyeball said: Would that be a good thing? I was certainly never under any illusion he would follow through on his promise to end FPTP. BTW, unless I'm mistaken you've rarely if ever had much good to say about ending FPTP. Has something changed? Nope. It is still the only system that works in the Canadian context. The only alternative would be a run-off election in ridings where no candidate gets 50% of the votes. Or, we could just stop voting for the splinter parties. In his defence, it was the NDP that killed electoral reform because they were fixated on the stupid proportional representation fiasco and refused to budge. There is no way PR can work in a riding. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
CdnFox Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said: Nope. It is still the only system that works in the Canadian context. The only alternative would be a run-off election in ridings where no candidate gets 50% of the votes. Or, we could just stop voting for the splinter parties. In his defence, it was the NDP that killed electoral reform because they were fixated on the stupid proportional representation fiasco and refused to budge. There is no way PR can work in a riding. It wasn't just the NDP, the conservatives felt the same and polling indicated strongly that Canadians felt the same And the model for proportional representation in a riding system is that you still have elected people but that you also have a large number of seats which are assigned on top of those proportionally. So if there's a hundred ridings then you have 100 elected people and say 50 assigned by the parties on top of that based on the proportional results. STVs and runoffs and such favor the libs very heavily so that's why they want it. But PR is just as workable as a system Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Queenmandy85 Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: Pretty much none of that is true. He will replace the carbon tax with nothing which would be vastly superior. Our rights, being the rights of people who are not in a special interest group will likely be reinforced so that we cannot be pressured to use language that we don't want or to celebrate things we don't want or to allow men who claim to be women to participate in sports or go to women's prisons. There is a reasonable amount of appetite right now to increase military spending and he won't have to wear it if the Americans force it upon us. There's no doubt Poilievre will have a lot of work to do and it's not going to be an easy road to hoe. But things will start to get noticeably better And chances are he'll have a minimum of eight years to make things happen before he's seriously challenged again. He has to do something. Do you have any idea what the greenhouse effect is? With regard to citizens who are transgender, you you don't want M2F to be allowed to play sports but you say nothing about the other half, the F2M citizens. Are they prohibited to participate? Canadian voters will not permit the level of spending and participation required to re-build the Canadian Forces capable of defending the country. Inspite of many of the things I have said, I really hope I have underestimated him. We need that level of majority to face down the American government. It would be great if the CPC government could reframe the dynamics with them as a great opportunity for both countries. 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
eyeball Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Nope. It is still the only system that works in the Canadian context. There is no way PR can work in a riding. FPTP doesn't seem to have the ability to prevent our constitutional system from moving farther away from its roots. The GG should have said no to prorogation. There is no PM in our Constitution. If Trudeau wants to resign his position great but there's no excuse for the GG not leaving it up to Parliament to continue doing their jobs and select a new PM. Edited January 7 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) To bad the opportunity for a teachable moment for Canadians is lost. Can you imagine the loss of shit that would have occured if the GG said no to prorogation? Illusions, like how we're not supposed to be misgoverned like this, need shattering like never before. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/christopher-dummitt-governor-general-betrays-constitution-by-letting-liberals-escape-parliament If no had been the GGs response I think there's good reason to believe it would have thrown a grenade into everyone's camp. OTOH, Poilievre could just as easily been selected as PMO now, especially when we need one now before Trump is inaugurated. Is it too late for Poilievre to write the GG and get her to reverse her decision? Edited January 7 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 DING DONG, the b!tch is dead, the wicked li'l b!tch is dead. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Legato Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Finally some kindness in the public sphere. 💞 I think Betty's drunk again 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 37 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: He has to do something. Do you have any idea what the greenhouse effect is? No it doesn't. Nothing Canada does at all will make any difference as far as curtailing its own emissions. China increases its emissions by more than our entire output about every year and a half. Do you know what math is? The liberals claim that they were fighting climate change for 10 years and we all paid our tax dutifully and guess what? They're still climate change. It is now fallen to something like the 6th or 7th issue for most Canadians. Basically ignored the issue other than for constant virtue signaling for 10 years and people are sick of it. So no he doesn't have to do anything. That doesn't mean he won't do something but he certainly doesn't have to. And that's something might be something like investing in industries that are likely to produce new technologies such as better batteries or new reactors or the like. 40 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: With regard to citizens who are transgender, you you don't want M2F to be allowed to play sports but you say nothing about the other half, the F2M citizens. Are they prohibited to participate? Sure. 41 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Canadian voters will not permit the level of spending and participation required to re-build the Canadian Forces capable of defending the country. Of course they will. In fact done right they might get behind it entirely. But even if they don't if it's a requirement in order to deal with things like tariffs and remaining in NATO they will be completely understanding of it. And it will be easy to point at the liberals and note it was their severe lack of spending that got nATO pissed off in the first place. 43 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Inspite of many of the things I have said, I really hope I have underestimated him. We need that level of majority to face down the American government. It would be great if the CPC government could reframe the dynamics with them as a great opportunity for both countries. Well that happened under harper when the Americans got a little tough and Poilievre was around to watch that. On top of it I think that we will see that when trump actually becomes president and has to own any of the blowback or consequences of his decisions that he's a tiny bit more careful. We will see Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
herbie Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The liberals claim that they were fighting climate change for 10 years and we all paid our tax dutifully and guess what? They're still climate change DUH. Logic of a troo cornservative. Axe DUH tax. Axe DUH tax. Axe DUH tax. You'll be able to afford a house and eat lobster the very next day! Quote
Army Guy Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: He has to do something. Do you have any idea what the greenhouse effect is? With regard to citizens who are transgender, you you don't want M2F to be allowed to play sports but you say nothing about the other half, the F2M citizens. Are they prohibited to participate? Canadian voters will not permit the level of spending and participation required to re-build the Canadian Forces capable of defending the country. Inspite of many of the things I have said, I really hope I have underestimated him. We need that level of majority to face down the American government. It would be great if the CPC government could reframe the dynamics with them as a great opportunity for both countries. Can you honestly say that most Canadians even care, i mean they talk a good game, but as soon as it cost them money they tap out, not much of a commitment.... Your not being honest here, MTF gives that person a huge advantage in muscle mass, bone density etc...Where F2M there is none of that, here they are at a disadvantage, in most sports...hence why i don't really think it is even an issue.... They are not going to have much of a say are they, If trump and NATO forces us to live up to our commitments ....Besides most Canadians don't understand what these defensive commitments mean to everything else in Canada, including tech trade offs, economical, trade relations, having a seat at the table....foreign affairs, the list goes on, it is easy for Canadians to shrug their shoulders and say we are taking our ball and going home...because we are Cheap, lagards that have no integrity, honor, our word means jack sh!t to our allieds....Canadian's are known around the world not as Canadians but the liberal brand... which does not mean much... These tariffs have nothing to do with facing down the US....it is about the lack of security at our borders, which our own CBSA have told everyone is lacking in every way....Here is an idea why don't we take a huge bite of that sh!t sandwich as "we" were the ones that made it....fix the issue, and move on....like good neighbors...going eye to eye with the our largest trading partner to prove we got small balls is not going to work with trump....He wants us to fix what we broke.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 (edited) 16 minutes ago, herbie said: DUH. Logic of a troo cornservative. Axe DUH tax. Axe DUH tax. Axe DUH tax. You'll be able to afford a house and eat lobster the very next day! Instead of beating your chest, and yelling from your roof top, explain how any of the Liberal climate change plan improved things in Canada climate wise...., thats a pretty broad statement should be easy....explain how our emissions went down, or we planted a billion trees, or the green slush fund did not benefit liberals.....or the very fact the carbon tax makes everything more expensive everything we buy, or every service.... Not being able to afford a house or eat lobster the next day is going to take more than overnight ....., it took justin 10 years to screw everything up, it is going to take at least that long to put humpty dumpty back together again... As a conservative i want to thank you for your bad voting skills, that have put us in this situation....It goives us the oportunity to show the rest of Canada their skills at management and leadership ....Don't get me wrong the conservatives are going to fix it, and you'll whine the entire trip, like we have....but in the end this great country of ours is going to be better off....than it is today... Edited January 7 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Legato Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 19 minutes ago, herbie said: DUH. Logic of a troo cornservative. Axe DUH tax. Axe DUH tax. Axe DUH tax. You'll be able to afford a house and eat lobster the very next day! 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 7 Report Posted January 7 2 hours ago, herbie said: DUH. Logic of a troo cornservative. DUH, Language of a Liberal Second Grader yeaash you're an embarrassment to lefties everywhere, and that bar was already pretty damn low. Quote Axe DUH tax. Axe DUH tax. Axe DUH tax. You'll be able to afford a house and eat lobster the very next day! Said no one but the saltiest of woke left losers You and your kind of failed. He failed with climate change and you failed the country. As you look at your grandchildren you should weep inside over the fact that their lives have been in Unalterably damaged because of your poor judgment and Justin's corruption. The climate will get worse because you screwed up to the point where nobody wants to talk about it. Your grandchildren will have far less opportunity than you did. They won't even be able to afford a house never mind Triple the value of their house with a credit card🙄 You have nothing to say that is worth listening to nor any moral ground to stand on when it comes to politics and you have done something evil to this country and to the children who will inherit your mess We will fix it as best we can and try and offer them as much hope as we can. You go sit in your corner and play with your Lego and think about what you've done 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
NAME REMOVED Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 "TrUdEaU is rEsPoNsIbLe 4 iNfLaTiOn Quote
CdnFox Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 49 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: "TrUdEaU is rEsPoNsIbLe 4 iNfLaTiOn So we're getting beaten badly by the likes of singapore and indonesia?!? Honestly this guy can't go fast enough. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Shady Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 On 1/6/2025 at 1:02 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said: Trudeau resigns. Sad day as he did great during his 4 year first term. His father did plenty of good for Canada as well. I remember the night he was walking in a snowy night and decided to resign too. I go with Carney. Joly is much prettier but Carney can do better for Liberal party and hopefully prevent a majority conservative government in the summer election as a Liberal budget will be defeated in April and country heads to an election in June. What exactly did he do that was so great his first 4 years? Legalized week and purposely ran big deficits at the time the economy was doing well. A good job would’ve been using those good times to balance the budget. On 1/6/2025 at 3:11 PM, eyeball said: Disinformation is the biggest overarching issue facing us as a civilization. It should be at the top of the list of issues of an election campaign. We can't possibly solve the real issues we need to deal with when there is so much lack of clear headed thinking. At least the people of Babel tried to cooperate. The biggest purveyors of disinformation is/was the government. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Shady said: What exactly did he do that was so great his first 4 years? Legalized week and purposely ran big deficits at the time the economy was doing well. A good job would’ve been using those good times to balance the budget. He actually inherited a balanced budget. He didn't need to balance it. What he did was use the good times to UNbalance the budget. Trudeau was horrible. Other than arguably the dope thing he did nothing good for the country in his entire time in power. THe daycare has been a flop, the dental care was mostly already covered by provincial plans (as acknowledged right on the fed website) and his 'pharmacare' covers diabetes and that's about it. Again most provinces had plans covering that for those who couldn't afford it. Meanwhile we're an international laughing stock, our economy is in real trouble and our quality of life (gdp per capita) is nosediving, people can't afford to buy food and shelter, our gov't institutions are a mess and he just put the gov't on 'pause' during a crucial time with the new pres being sworn in. And his first ethics scandal and law violation was less than 6 months after he took office and he hasn't slowed down since. There is nothing at all good about this person. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
NAME REMOVED Posted January 9 Author Report Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Shady said: What exactly did he do that was so great his first 4 years? He managed the COVID crisis very well. Much better than the United States. As a result we had a fatality 3 times lower, and far less people have long term COVID. Quote
Shady Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: He managed the COVID crisis very well. Much better than the United States. As a result we had a fatality 3 times lower, and far less people have long term COVID. I think Premiers were actually the ones that managed it. Regardless, that wasn’t his first 4 years that was reference by a previous member. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: He managed the COVID crisis very well. He gave our protective masks away to the Chinese. He also gave them a couple hundred million dollars and then they stiffed him on a vaccine which means we got the vaccines much later than everyone else. He also used the pandemic as an opportunity to spread hatred and division for political purposes to win an election. He literally said that anyone that didn't take the vaccine or had concerns about it was a bigot and a misogynist and a waste of space who probably shouldn't be tolerated. He would have been hard-pressed to handle it worse. Anything good that happened came from the premieres 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
NAME REMOVED Posted January 9 Author Report Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, CdnFox said: He literally said that anyone that didn't take the vaccine or had concerns about it was a bigot and a misogynist and a waste of space who probably shouldn't be tolerated. Source? Quote
eyeball Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Shady said: The biggest purveyors of disinformation is/was the government. I'd say governments, at least ours, are a bigger cause of the mistrust that fuels disinformation. There's a reason why Question Period in Parliament isn't called Answer Period. As with media scrums everyone knows they haven't been given all the facts or that the 'answers' are misleading at best. In the absence of all the facts or with only partial facts to work with media, partisan actors and outright dingbats fill in the gaps with uninformed facts, guesses, rumours and often whatever pops into their heads and more disbelief just continues to radiate away with a deadly stupefying effect on society. Thousands upon thousands of people died unnecessarily as a direct result of disinformation during COVID for example. The people in the Tower of Babel were actually centuries ahead of us - they clearly tried to use their ability to understand one another to cooperate and work together where we all to often refuse to even try. We're the architects of a state of mass confusion that's now verging strongly towards psychosis. This has become an even bigger threat to our survival as a civilization and perhaps even our species than climate change. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PIK Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 And if he showed leadership and met with the truckers, that mess could have been avoided. And he called them names also. No leadership skills what so ever. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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