blackbird Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 (edited) Trump reportedly said down with windmills. I Agree. They are a blight on the landscape and ruin the beauty of the land. Canada is rich in natural resources such as oil, natural gas, and uranium. We don't need to wreck our landscape with these huge monsters. Southern Alberta has a lot of them, yet they are rich in energy resources. It make no sense. Hopefully the Conservatives will do something about this too. The NDP in B.C. has shunned small nuclear energy reactors. They also have been dragging their feet about natural gas development and liquifaction plants. Many countries have asked to buy Canada's natural gas, yet the Trudeau government has turned them down. This is insane. The Liberals and NDP are wrecking Canada by not utilizing the tremendous wealth we have in natural gas, and other resources. This could help lift the standard of living of Canadians and help thousands of young people to get good - paying jobs, buy homes, and raise families. But they are being denied the opportunity by our governments in Canada. Another problem in connection with this is the approval and permit processes to develop natural resources. It takes years to get approval for a mine or other resource development project. We are also being slowed down and blocked by FN and environmental groups who oppose any resource development. Some FNs do want development and the resulting good-paying jobs they will get. But there is no much bureaucracy and groups opposing everything, this country is in a real mess. Edited January 3 by blackbird 2 Quote
ironstone Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 Germany could be the poster boy for how to screw your own country energy-wise. Canada under Trudeau and eco-terrorist Guilbeault want to go down the same path. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
NAME REMOVED Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 You must have loved the 2023 forest fires, and the thousands of people that had to evacuate towns in Alberta, that was primarily the result of climate change. Quote
Politics1990 Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 leave the windmills alone nothing wrong with them lol . trump is just being a tool like usual Quote
herbie Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 (edited) Glad these retreads aren't policy makers. Abandoned oil wells cleaned up at taxpayer expense are te f*cking Butchart Gardens and 'ugly' windmills kill whales......don't visit Holland, eh? I mean why use what's free when you can pay some big corporation for fossil fuels. give them incentives to charge you even more. And go on about Small nuclear when no one's built one, they're the most expensive, take decades to approve and nobody wants one of those in their back 40. Yeah drag your feet, lie and dismiss what's in front of you because 'progress' is a bad word and must be stopped at all cost. Edited January 3 by herbie Quote
Moonbox Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, Politics1990 said: leave the windmills alone nothing wrong with them lol . trump is just being a tool like usual There's a lot wrong with them, and a lot good with them. The technology is maturing and when it's cost-effective to hook them up with the grid and not going to be disruptive to communities, it's a no-brainer. The problem is that so much money got flushed down through schemes with immature tech, total incompetence and even outright corruption that now there's not much patience for spending there. Ontario wants nothing to do with it now thanks to Dalton McGuinty and Kathleen Wynne. We spent something like $13B 10+ years ago on solar and wind handouts and now that generates a whopping 3-4% of our energy mix, as we scramble to scale our nuclear capacity back up to make up for the debacle. The other matter is how intrusive and disruptive they are. We sold our cottage back in 2013 because the UAW decided to build a giant, pointless wind-turbine on their union vacation complex less than half a mile from us (and right above the beach). There was no consultation with the community. They just went ahead and did it. Edited January 3 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Queenmandy85 Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 (edited) 7 hours ago, blackbird said: down with windmills. I agree. They might be Giants. Edited January 4 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Army Guy Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: You must have loved the 2023 forest fires, and the thousands of people that had to evacuate towns in Alberta, that was primarily the result of climate change. That was already proven that 95 % of those fires were caused by moroons, starting them.....one has to ask if climate change is the real factor here why are they not doing more to prevent fires like forrest management, or preventive maintenance, nope we'll blame it on climate change call it a day, next year we'll boost carbon taxes so we can lie and give them back more than they put into it....nope not really , cause that has reduced climate change here in Canada....nope not really...here is a suggestion keep the moroons out of the Forrest.... 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 3 hours ago, herbie said: Glad these retreads aren't policy makers. Abandoned oil wells cleaned up at taxpayer expense are te f*cking Butchart Gardens and 'ugly' windmills kill whales......don't visit Holland, eh? I mean why use what's free when you can pay some big corporation for fossil fuels. give them incentives to charge you even more. And go on about Small nuclear when no one's built one, they're the most expensive, take decades to approve and nobody wants one of those in their back 40. Yeah drag your feet, lie and dismiss what's in front of you because 'progress' is a bad word and must be stopped at all cost. NB is building SMR right now.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 5 hours ago, Moonbox said: The other matter is how intrusive and disruptive they are. We sold our cottage back in 2013 because the UAW decided to build a giant, pointless wind-turbine on their union vacation complex less than half a mile from us (and right above the beach). There was no consultation with the community. They just went ahead and did it. Don't you have regional district/local government boards to represent residents concerns not too mention zoning applications, public hearings etc? I can see why these wouldn't matter where pump jacks night be regarded as a nice addition to the landscape but not cottage country in Ontario. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
BeaverFever Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) On 1/3/2025 at 12:17 PM, blackbird said: Trump reportedly said down with windmills. I Agree. They are a blight on the landscape and ruin the beauty of the land. They’re not ugly at all, they’re actually quite pretty. You think coal fired power plants belching out thick clouds of toxic smog and giant black toxic slag heaps that poison the groundwater for miles are better? vs Edited January 8 by BeaverFever Quote
BeaverFever Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) On 1/3/2025 at 12:17 PM, blackbird said: Canada is rich in natural resources such as oil, natural gas, and uranium. We don't need to wreck our landscape You say the craziest things. Have you not seen pictures of the blackened toxic moonscape that is the Alberta Tar Sands? Edited January 8 by BeaverFever 1 Quote
blackbird Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: You think coal fired power plants belching out thick clouds of toxic smog and giant black toxic slag heaps that poison the groundwater for miles are better? Did I say that? No. So stop falsely imputing things I never said. There are other ways to create electricity. Windmills are a poor way. A large number is required to produce a little power. That looks ugly on the landscape. Much better to use natural gas power plant to generate electricity or small nuclear reactors. They are very clean and can generate a lot of steady power. Natural gas is a clean-burning fuel with a lot of energy. We have lots of it in Canada. Quote
blackbird Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: You say the craziest things. Have you not seen pictures of the blackened toxic moonscape that the Alberta Tar Sands? That is only in a part of the province that which is far from the cities. Also, they can be cleaned up and vegetation replanted if the government wishes. Seems to me I have seen pictures of restored areas and they look fine. So it can be done. Why would you get your shirt in a knot over the tar sands which contributes billions of dollars in royalties to Alberta and thousands of jobs and provides oil and gas that fuels millions of cars, ship and aircraft that keeps the world going. It is a major economic benefit to Canada. There is no way windmills could replace the benefits of the oil sands. Windmills are just a tiny drop in the bucket of the amount of energy needed and don't even compare to the gas and oil industry. Edited January 8 by blackbird Quote
BeaverFever Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: Did I say that? No. So stop falsely imputing things I never said. There are other ways to create electricity. Windmills are a poor way. A large number is required to produce a little power. That looks ugly on the landscape. Much better to use natural gas power plant to generate electricity or small nuclear reactors. They are very clean and can generate a lot of steady power. Natural gas is a clean-burning fuel with a lot of energy. We have lots of it in Canada. Natural gas isn’t that clean and produces GHG. The plants and wells are also ugly, as are the spills. Quote
blackbird Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Natural gas isn’t that clean and produces GHG. The plants and wells are also ugly, as are the spills. If you look at the small pipe from a home heated by natural gas, you can't even see any smoke. GHG is not an issue. Canada's emissions are very tiny compared to the world and there is no harm to the environment. GHG is emitted by forests, animals, dead animals, and many things. It is a natural process of how the planet functions. Nothing to worry about. Edited January 8 by blackbird Quote
BeaverFever Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: That is only in a part of the province that which is far from the cities. Also, they can be cleaned up and vegetation replanted if the government wishes. Seems to me I have seen pictures of restored areas and they look fine. So it can be done. Why would you get your shirt in a knot over the tar sands which contributes billions of dollars in royalties to Alberta and thousands of jobs and provides oil and gas that fuels millions of cars, ship and aircraft that keeps the world going. It is a major economic benefit to Canada. They cannot be fully cleaned up, the soul and water are left toxic for long periods of time. And bulldozing an ancient forest and its natural wildlife with a promise to someday “restore” it when you’re finished by throwing down some Grass seed for a golf course-like aesthetic doesn’t make things whole Quote
BeaverFever Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: If you look at the small pipe from a home heated by natural gas, you can't even see any smoke. GHG is not an issue. Canada's emissions are very tiny compared to the world and there is no harm to the environment. GHG is emitted by forests, animals, dead animals, and many things. It is a natural process of how the planet functions. Nothing to worry about. OMG. But there are MILLIONS of houses and you sure as shit can see the smoke from the plants and their enormous smokestacks too. And you seriously can’t tell the difference between naturally occurring emissions that are part of the natural cycle and the massive amounts of man-made emissions which are not part of the natural cycle? You’re comment is like saying “living things die all the time therefore if I murder everyone in town today it’s a natural process, nothing to worry about” Quote
eyeball Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: They’re not ugly at all, they’re actually quite pretty. They should be pink and have rainbow streamers coming from the tips of the blades. Edited January 8 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 On 1/3/2025 at 10:26 AM, DUI_Offender said: You must have loved the 2023 forest fires, and the thousands of people that had to evacuate towns in Alberta, that was primarily the result of climate change. That's not possible! I paid my carbon tax! 1 hour ago, eyeball said: They should be pink and have rainbow streamers coming from the tips of the blades. In unrelated news, 10,000 epileptics went into seizures unexpectedly in canada .... Quote
Moonbox Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 On 1/3/2025 at 10:31 PM, eyeball said: Don't you have regional district/local government boards to represent residents concerns not too mention zoning applications, public hearings etc? I think they do now, but back when Dalton McGuinty's Liberals were handing out free cheques to anyone who could say "windmill" (or even come close), they were rubber-stamped without any care. . On 1/3/2025 at 10:31 PM, eyeball said: I can see why these wouldn't matter where pump jacks night be regarded as a nice addition to the landscape but not cottage country in Ontario. Stuff's going to get built, and there's always someone who's going to complain about it. A pumpjack serves a purpose and can't be put anywhere. Thankfully nobody is going to build one on a busy tourist beach, but Unifor, geniuses that they are, decided a giant wind turbine that served no real purpose was a good idea. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
blackbird Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 (edited) 6 hours ago, BeaverFever said: the massive amounts of man-made emissions which are not part of the natural cycle? That doesn't make sense. What you're saying is man doesn't have a right to live on earth. Bogus and nonsensical. God gave man dominion over the earth. Read Genesis. The idea that GHGs are a problem is just nonsense. Manmade CO2 does not cause global warming and everything is fine. We should burn fossil fuels and natural gas is clean. It heats millions of homes. Carbon taxes have done absolutely nothing for the environment except cause misery for many Canadians who are struggling to make ends meet. Environmentalists are not good for the environment. They are wrecking life in Canada. If you are on here just to look for arguments, you are wasting your time. Not interested. Edited January 8 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted January 8 Author Report Posted January 8 6 hours ago, BeaverFever said: You’re comment is like saying “living things die all the time Yes, they do die all the time. You must be some kind of Mother Earth worshipper. You think man has no right to exist. Man rules this earth and there is nothing wrong with burning fossil fuels. Billions of people depend on it. Life must go on. Mother earth worshippers are worshipping a false god. Nothing good can come of worshipping a false god. That is the way to self destruct man and life on earth. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 7 hours ago, blackbird said: If you look at the small pipe from a home heated by natural gas, you can't even see any smoke. GHG is not an issue. Canada's emissions are very tiny compared to the world and there is no harm to the environment. GHG is emitted by forests, animals, dead animals, and many things. It is a natural process of how the planet functions. Nothing to worry about. Blackbird, have you ever thought of moving to Fort McMurray, and managing a gas plant? Quote
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