eyeball Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 47 minutes ago, blackbird said: You don't give the opposing party the details of your plans or you will never win. They will use everything they can against you. That's just a fact of life. Very elementary principle. So what do you give to voters, what do you say to them? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ironstone Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 (edited) 11 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: In his reign some 50,000 government workers were laid off so that he looks good for bringing deficit down to near balance. Bill C-36 was pushed through Parliament in an undemocratic matter to satisfy HIS ideology without resolving the real issue. Nobody in his government dared to speak against him. He was voted out while he was having a majority government giving way to an opposition majority in its place. This was how dissatisfied Canadians were with his government in 2015. I for one campaign very hard against him in the fall of that year. Didn't Jean Chretien also make substantial cuts in the Public Service? Quite frankly, Trudeau has massively expanded the public service. It's probably way bigger than it needs to be. Edited December 26, 2024 by ironstone Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
CITIZEN_2015 Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ironstone said: Didn't Jean Chretien also make substantial cuts in the Public Service? Not as deep though yes he did but he had to with a 40 billion deficit in 1993 (equivalent to 100 billion today) so he had no choice but Harper made these cuts at the time deficit was under control but he had promised to balance the budget by 2015 and to keep his promise (which was not achieved through growth) he made substantial cuts in 2013. Government could hardly operate after his cuts. Edited December 26, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
blackbird Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: So what do you give to voters, what do you say to them? Just what is being said now. Quote
ironstone Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 More than one trillion in debt and the Liberals keep blowing past their estimated budget deficits. A massive expansion of the public service. Maybe we are long overdue for some serious spending reduction(not cuts). Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Michael Hardner Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ironstone said: More than one trillion in debt and the Liberals keep blowing past their estimated budget deficits. A massive expansion of the public service. Maybe we are long overdue for some serious spending reduction(not cuts). to Edited December 26, 2024 by Michael Hardner 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ironstone Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: to The federal government will spend $46.5 billion on debt servicing charges in 2023/24, which is nearly what the government expects to spend on the Canada Health Transfer ($49.4 billion), and significantly more than it expects to spend on childcare benefits. https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/federal-and-provincial-debt-interest-costs-for-canadians-2024.pdf Other countries might have higher debt, but that is still no reason for Canada to continuously overspend. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Michael Hardner Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 16 minutes ago, ironstone said: Other countries might have higher debt, but that is still no reason for Canada to continuously overspend. I happily agree with the idea that we should try to be excellent, regardless of what other countries do. First and foremost, we should elevate our politics. That's probably low-hanging fruit for us. Believe it or not. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 41 minutes ago, blackbird said: Just what is being said now. Which is next to nothing. Stands to reason faith alone would be enough for you. 1 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blackbird Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: Which is next to nothing. Stands to reason faith alone would be enough for you. Good enough for me. After nine or ten years of this disaster of a government and ethics violations, a conservative government will be a vast improvement. Trudeau was elected in the first place in 2015 because of his name. I am sure Harper knew that. There was nothing anybody could do. The brainless suckers in central Canada sold us out for Mr. Socks who promised Marijuana stores. Quote
eyeball Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 1 minute ago, blackbird said: Trudeau was elected in the first place in 2015 because of his name. Yeah...it wasn't Steve. 1 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
NAME REMOVED Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: to @Michael Hardner FTW!! Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: to This is kind of deceiving because it shows only Federal debt. In Canada we also have massive provincial debts not reflected above as in UK for example there is only a central government no provinces governing or in US, State budgets are balanced by law. I wish it was true and Canada was so well off in comparison. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 12 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: This is kind of deceiving because it shows only Federal debt. In Canada we also have massive provincial debts not reflected above as in UK for example there is only a central government no provinces governing or in US, State budgets are balanced by law. I wish it was true and Canada was so well off in comparison. Absolutely, but the post I replied to references the Federal Government. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Dougie93 Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 (edited) 45 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: This is kind of deceiving because it shows only Federal debt. In Canada we also have massive provincial debts not reflected above as in UK for example there is only a central government no provinces governing or in US, State budgets are balanced by law. I wish it was true and Canada was so well off in comparison. furthermore, America, as the Global Hegemon, has exponentially more leeway than Canada does Britain & Japan have much more leeway than Canada does the more powerful the economy, the more valuable their debt is to buy Canada does have one ace in the hole however Canada is sitting on literally a mountain of gold ; 3000 metric tons at least and all of it belongs to the Crown of Canada and in the event of a global debt crisis, the price of gold would increase by orders of magnitude 3000 metric tonnes would end up being worth trillions of Canadian Dollars at which point Canada could in fact pay its debts, simply by mining the gold already in the ground Canada's gold would be worth so much by that juncture, that the markets would buy Canadian debt just on the prospects of the gold available in Canada before it was even mined if/when the fiat currency regime collapses, raw resources become de facto currency then Canada would be sitting pretty on the global perspective the might of the British Crown in North America ; is 9 million square kilometres of territory 33% of all the land in the British Empire; was Canada in terms of actual value, in dollars, Canada is the real Jewel in the Crown Edited December 26, 2024 by Dougie93 Quote
Aristides Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 4 hours ago, blackbird said: You obviously don't know how democracy works and has always worked. You don't give the opposing party the details of your plans or you will never win. They will use everything they can against you. That's just a fact of life. Very elementary principle. So people aren't wrong when they say PP has a secret agenda? It's what you are saying. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Aristides said: So people aren't wrong when they say PP has a secret agenda? It's what you are saying. Did I say that or are you just lying? Where did I say PP has a "secret agenda"? Of course not. He simply states his objectives to bring back Canada for Canadians. The details of that of course has to be worked out when he is in government and has access to all the details of the problems and when he will be in a position to see the best way forward to rectify the problems that the previous government created. There is no "secret plan". He does not have access to many things. Only what is public now that anyone can access is basically all the information he has. You need to think a little deeper and understand the inner workings of government are complex and many factors are involved. How best to rectify the problems requires inside information that only government has access to. He has stated clearly what he wants to do and repeats it on every public appearance. It would be foolish to try to make up a detailed plan before he has inside access to all the information. Edited December 26, 2024 by blackbird Quote
Dougie93 Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Absolutely, but the post I replied to references the Federal Government. in the event of a fiat currency collapse His Majesty The King alone could save Canada since the combined value of all his lands in Canada would immediately make Canada move up in the global wealth rankings, surpassing the UK & Japan on the spot Canada would likely be second only to America in the event of you might however at that point, actually need an army which could defend it Quote
Legato Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: @Michael Hardner FTW!! You should take a closer look at that chart, it's not as hunky dory as it seems at first glance. Two things stand out.. first it's a 5 year projection based on what? Second take a closer look at the percentages. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 17 minutes ago, Legato said: Second take a closer look at the percentages. Canada second to Germany. Japan is the worst. But the US could go deeper in debt, given Trump's penchant for tax cuts. And as pointed out, they can do that. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
suds Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Off with the heads of anyone who does not agree with me. What a dictator. He sees the polls and well into a majority but Canadians will never give this guy a blank cheque. That's not really what he's saying is it? I can't see Poilievre firing a government official for simply disagreeing with him. On the other hand, a government official who disagrees but also insists on imposing their beliefs on subordinates regardless of official government policy.... is totally different. Do you also have a problem with de-funding those that have anti-semitic agendas? Or Islamophobic, or racist or .... Quote
eyeball Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Did I say that or are you just lying? Where did I say PP has a "secret agenda"? Perhaps it's more of a private agenda at this point. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Politics1990 Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 (edited) lame considering how bad the options in liberals and ndp are for the 2025 election the conservatives could actually maybe get my vote if PP would stop the nonsense of talking about woke and defunding cbc . Edited December 26, 2024 by Politics1990 Quote
suds Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: lame considering how bad the options in liberals and ndp are for the 2025 election the conservatives could actually maybe get my vote if PP would stop the nonsense of talking about woke and defunding cbc . from the op.... Poilievre has stated he would make cuts to “corporate welfare.” (Corporate welfare refers to government financial assistance, subsidies, tax breaks, or other favorable policies provided to private businesses including multi-national companies, or to specific industries.) If I was the CBC, I'd be planning for and expecting that a few cuts were in the works for them as well. Edited December 26, 2024 by suds Quote
Gaétan Posted December 26, 2024 Report Posted December 26, 2024 What we should do is to defund people who send money to Israel. Poilievre is a shame for canadians like Trudeau, Trump doesn't want him as prime minister but Gretski the hockey player who work for vaccine products of pharmaceutic. And by the way, the 25% tarifs is a joke. Quote
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