US Health Care system has failed America (The Brian Thompson CEO Assassination)

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

AHHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAH   LOL when has that ever happened?  Chretien slashed health care spending, Trudeau cut health care spending, where was the big backlash there?  Canadians die by the truckload due to lack of health care spending right now and they're not pushing back on it. 

 

'"The Canada Health Transfer (CHT), the main federal financial tool for funding provincial health care, has increased from $34.0 billion in 2015/16 to $52.1 billion this year (2024/25), a 53.1 per cent increase in about a decade. Moreover, the federal government has committed to increases in the transfer at a guaranteed 5 per cent until 2027/28."

source: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/endless-spending-increases-will-not-fix-canadas-health-care-system

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

'"The Canada Health Transfer (CHT), the main federal financial tool for funding provincial health care, has increased from $34.0 billion in 2015/16 to $52.1 billion this year (2024/25), a 53.1 per cent increase in about a decade. Moreover, the federal government has committed to increases in the transfer at a guaranteed 5 per cent until 2027/28."

source: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/endless-spending-increases-will-not-fix-canadas-health-care-system

 

 

This year yes but previously no. Which means about 8 years of chronic underfunding from the federal government. In fact Justin paid less than harper did per capita by a fair percentage. The latest increase catches up from some of the lack of spending he did in the past but considering how many people he has added to the country along with inflation that amount is still vastly lower than where it needs to be to provide even the same level of service as 2014. Which means the provinces either have to spend more of their money or the services don't happen. 

FOr example it was only 43 billion in 2022 - that's including the pandemic years - and that's only an increase of 26 percent over 8 years, and during those 8 years we added 3 million people or about a 9 percent increase and that's before inflation. 

Given the inflation rates for that time frame it represents a reduction in spending per person at a time when our system was extremely stressed. In addition because people arriving have a need for medical services before additional medical services can be added through additional spending that creates a lag which significantly makes the problem far worse.

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So the feds did not keep up with spending, which of course was what the big battle was about with the premieres a while back. Here's the premiers discussing the effect of the reduced percentage of costs from the Feds

Canada’s premiers turn up the heat in new push for more health funding - National | Globalnews.ca

“As federal health care disappears, so do our doctors,” one ad says, pointing to the provinces’ stance that federal health funding levels “continue to decline.”

“Provinces and territories are doing their part, but we need the federal government to restore health care funding now to keep our systems strong,” the ad continues.

The premiers have been demanding a $28-billion increase to the Canada Health Transfer, which they say will bring the federal contribution toward health costs from 22 per cent currently to 35 per cent.

Harper pushed it from below 20 percent to into the lower 30's in his time btw. 

Justin did NOT agree to the 35 and  it's still in the 20's. 

 

So there you go.  Years and years of underfunding and sure he's making a little sprint here near the end but it's far too little too late. 

[Moonlight Graham]

13 hours ago, Legato said:

Correct. However health insurance companies have zero morals, so where will the line be drawn.

The government needs to regulate health insurance companies so that morally absent corporations are forced to act in an ethical manner.

The US is deficient in regulations etc for gun control, health insurance, and post-secondary education costs.

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4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The government needs to regulate health insurance companies so that morally absent corporations are forced to act in an ethical manner.

The US is deficient in regulations etc for gun control, health insurance, and post-secondary education costs.

It is going to get much worse during the Trump Administration. 

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11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

Harper pushed it from below 20 percent to into the lower 30's in his time btw. 

Justin did NOT agree to the 35 and  it's still in the 20's. 

So there you go.  Years and years of underfunding and sure he's making a little sprint here near the end but it's far too little too late. 

 

Health care spending immediately dropped from roughly 8% annually when Harper took office, to 4% annually when he left office, with spending bottoming out in 2013, around 2%.

Health care spending remained constant at 4% annually from 2016-19, until COVID hit, when it went over 10%. It does not show it on the chart, but health care spending (while not quite at 2020 levels), has risen dramatically in the last 3 years.

Conclusion:

There are three certainties in life:

1. Death

2. Taxes

3. The MAGA hyenas lying on internet forums.

Edited December 6, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[User]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The government needs to regulate health insurance companies so that morally absent corporations are forced to act in an ethical manner.

The US is deficient in regulations etc for gun control, health insurance, and post-secondary education costs.

This is complete ignorance. 

Health insurance is highly regulated and all the meddling is why we have the system we have today. We have thousands of gun control laws across the country, the fact that we don't outright ban guns doesn't mean we have no regulation. 

post-secondary education is once again a victim of all the government meddling by the do-gooders who think everyone should go to college and thus everyone should get a loan for 100K so they can go to school for 5 years and get a degree in sociology. 

Then we all sit around and wonder why a person with a degree in sociology is stuck in some management job at Bed Bath and Beyond making 35K a year can't afford to pay off 100K in loans. 

 

Edited December 6, 2024 by User

[Michael Hardner]

21 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Interestingly enough, I agree with @Michael Hardner.

Celebrating the assassination of this guy is sick. His job was to make profit for the shareholders. Apparently he was quite good at his job.

My job is to design new financial IT systems. Should someone lose money on their investments while using a system I designed, should I be shot?

The problem is not, and never will be the heads of health insurance companies. The problem is the health insurance industry as a whole and the lack of government oversight/involvement in said industry. Should US healthcare be nationalized? There are good arguments both for and against this. Its a question we are not gonna solve here.

But to celebrate this murder is...distasteful...to say the least.

Thank you for this take.

[Michael Hardner]

I shake the hands of those who acknowledge that cold blooded murder is a terrible thing.

If the system allowed a greedy organization, headed by a bad person, to hurt disadvantaged people and help the powerful then the system is bad.  And maybe the person leading the CEO is bad.

But if the system is bad, we have ways to fix it.  We do.

[ironstone]

13 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

'"The Canada Health Transfer (CHT), the main federal financial tool for funding provincial health care, has increased from $34.0 billion in 2015/16 to $52.1 billion this year (2024/25), a 53.1 per cent increase in about a decade. Moreover, the federal government has committed to increases in the transfer at a guaranteed 5 per cent until 2027/28."

source: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/endless-spending-increases-will-not-fix-canadas-health-care-system

 

 

We spend a lot on health care and yet still have long surgery wait times for most people, those lucky enough to have doctors.

Not the worst system, but certainly not the best either.

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, ironstone said:

We spend a lot on health care and yet still have long surgery wait times for most people, those lucky enough to have doctors.

Not the worst system, but certainly not the best either.

I thank you for a grounded assessment on this.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I shake the hands of those who acknowledge that cold blooded murder is a terrible thing.

If the system allowed a greedy organization, headed by a bad person, to hurt disadvantaged people and help the powerful then the system is bad.  And maybe the person leading the CEO is bad.

But if the system is bad, we have ways to fix it.  We do.

The irony here is that this country just elected a regime that ran heavily on the idea of deregulating business--of removing legal standards that protect the general public interest (the "little guy") from powerful, monied interests. 

We're not going to fix the system. The same voters who are desperately sick of this situation--to the point of tolerating retaliatory murder--are the same voters who checked the box for unregulated crony capitalism. 🤷‍♂️

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

 We're not going to fix the system. The same voters who are desperately sick of this situation--to the point of tolerating retaliatory murder--are the same voters who checked the box for unregulated crony capitalism. 🤷‍♂️

Clarity will come, because the system is open and correctable.  It's a matter of faith, but regardless something better will come out of it.

[User]

24 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The irony here is that this country just elected a regime that ran heavily on the idea of deregulating business--of removing legal standards that protect the general public interest (the "little guy") from powerful, monied interests. 

We're not going to fix the system. The same voters who are desperately sick of this situation--to the point of tolerating retaliatory murder--are the same voters who checked the box for unregulated crony capitalism. 🤷‍♂️

None of this is what was said or supported. 

 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

Health care spending immediately dropped from roughly 8% annually when Harper took office, to 4% annually when he left office, with spending bottoming out in 2013, around 2%.

Health care spending remained constant at 4% annually from 2016-19, until COVID hit, when it went over 10%. It does not show it on the chart, but health care spending (while not quite at 2020 levels), has risen dramatically in the last 3 years.

Conclusion:

There are three certainties in life:

1. Death

2. Taxes

3. The MAGA hyenas lying on internet forums.

Your graph says you're a liar kiddo .

According to your chart when harper took over the spending went UP from about 6.4 to about 6.9 and then went up again the following year in 2007.  It was never anywhere near 8% for the few years before he won.

In 2008 it went down to 6 percent and stayed there for a few years. Which is PRECISELY the deal he signed with the provinces. The deal the previous liberal gov't had proposed in order to catch up from years of underfunding (their words) which had taken place under the Chretien liberals and then maintain.  Harper agreed to that, paid far more than inflation for the first few years to catch up and then guaranteed 3 percent  or more based on gdp. 

 

So under harper spending immediately went up, not immediately went down as you said. And it stayed up till the provinces had had a chance to catch up for the lack of funding under the liberals. And then it stayed higher than inflation and increased at a pace that was designed to keep pace with the economy and provide a guarantee for the provinces. And all of that was based on a set immigration rates so they could plan.

 

Trudeau kept the same deal but then brought in massive immigration which completely ruined the funding. 

 

You literally just provided the proof i was right and you were wrong. Harper increased health spending more than justin outside of covid, and justin screwed up by keeping funding flat but increasing immigration. 

 

Jezuz kid.   You're so eager for your echo chamber to be right that you can't even understand what you're posting. 

 

The only thing certain in life is that you're a retarded dolt. Next time do better. 

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I shake the hands of those who acknowledge that cold blooded murder is a terrible thing.
 

Yes, it was terrible that that heartless CEO denied it's clients life saving coverage, and left them to die. The man was evil, and it is not wrong to feel happy when an evil man died. When Osama Bin Laden was killed, most people celebrated. 

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9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Your graph says you're a liar kiddo .

According to your chart when harper took over the spending went UP from about 6.4 to about 6.9 and then went up again the following year in 2007.  It was never anywhere near 8% for the few years before he won.

 

It seems you lack the ability to interpret basic charts.  Sad, really...

The mental gymnastics you perform, in order to make Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party look good, is impressive.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The man was evil, and it is not wrong to feel happy when an evil man died. When Osama Bin Laden was killed, most people celebrated. 

There's a gap between feeling sorry and celebrating, though.  Kind of like when a murderer goes through capital punishment.  It's a grim end, is how I look at it.

[robosmith]

18 hours ago, Deluge said:

You have no facts - just left-wing propaganda. That's your problem, robomarx, and it's also why you cultists lost the election. 

Let THAT sink in.  

You don't even have right-wing propaganda.

All you have is unsourced BULLSHIT which is why no one believes you except your fellow MAGA CULT lDIOTS.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

It seems you lack the ability to interpret basic charts.  Sad, really...

The mental gymnastics you perform, in order to make Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party look good, is impressive.

 

 

So in other words you realize you screwed up and you can't defend yourself.

Stating the simple facts is hardly mental gymnastics. And everybody who was there at the time knows this, the liberals were in trouble for years of underfunding medical, they proposed that to catch up they would if elected go ahead with 6% increases in funding for a few years and then it would drop to 3%. Harper agreed to keep that formula and gave them a one-time top up in 2006 And then stuck with that formula that they'd agreed to moving forward.

Trudeau had a lower amount that he put towards Healthcare but also increased immigration

What part of that is mental gymnastics?   

You screwed up again. That was 100% on you. And now you're mad at me.

So let's recap. The Canadian system has failed Canadians worse than the American system has failed Americans. Has not kept up With funding based on the immigration that we have had and our system is in severe distress. And your an !diot And that is not my fault

[Deluge]

21 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You don't even have right-wing propaganda.

All you have is unsourced BULLSHIT which is why no one believes you except your fellow MAGA CULT lDIOTS.

We both know you're a pervert, and an ldiot, so we'll use the source below to verify that.

 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Thank you for this take.

You're welcome. IMO...it's the logical take.

[Black Dog]

18 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Seems most CEOs would disagree with you.

Then they can get a bullet in the head too for all i care.

[Hodad]

24 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Yes, it was terrible that that heartless CEO denied it's clients life saving coverage, and left them to die. The man was evil, and it is not wrong to feel happy when an evil man died. When Osama Bin Laden was killed, most people celebrated. 

I'd disagree with this. It's unlikely that he was evil. He was a businessperson hired to run a business. No more, no less. He's no more responsible for customer wellbeing than the CEO of Ford or Microsoft.

Remember that neither the company nor that specific job is grounded in patient care. That's not their purpose. What he was hired to do, is to create profit for the shareholders. That means figuring out how can they spend as little on health care as possible while not losing customers to other companies with the same objective. 

A system built on perverse incentives delivers perverse outcomes. 

 

 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Then they can get a bullet in the head too for all i care.

Why am I not surprised...

If you are ever offered a management position...turn it down.

[Black Dog]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Why am I not surprised...

If you are ever offered a management position...turn it down.

I already am in management but my industry doesn't depend on human misery and immiseration for profit so I think I'm safe.