User Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 8 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: I want to knock the shit out of the Democratic campaign manager. I could have ran a better campaign than the Democrats. Losers. You say that now. Where was all your criticism of the campaign before? 1 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
User Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: .... ...and it looks like the Dems will hold a narrow majority in the House. WTF people! Its still really close. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
sharkman Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 8 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: now that Trump might become president again. - Palestinians will no longer exist. - Ukraine will be taken over by Russia (Russia will attempt to move further into Europe). - We will be paying 3k more per year because of Trumps tarrifs. - Our taxes will stay the same, but don’t worry because Elon Musk will see his taxes go down! - Women will no longer have access to healthcare. - Mass deportation of both illegal and legal immigrants (terrible for economy). - 6 Trillions will be added to the debt compared to Harris who was only going to add 2 trillion. Okay, look. The networks, the polling orgs, and the Dem braintrust all told you that Kamala was going to win. Do you deny this? You were so confident about it you started this thread predicting a Kamala win, and IT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE. The reason I bring this up is, that same group of propaganda publishers has told you all of the above nonsense about taxes, womens' healthcare, Ukraine, 6 trillion(what a load of tripe!!! Biden has added almost 3 trillion this year and they don't say boo about that!!!) in debt added, blah blah blah. At some point you need to wake up to the fact that this fearmongering was being pushed to manipulate the voter, and has no basis in reality. Or you can take a few sick days, totally up to you. 1 Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 6, 2024 Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 21 minutes ago, sharkman said: The reason I bring this up is, that same group of propaganda publishers has told you all of the above nonsense about taxes, womens' healthcare, Ukraine, 6 trillion(what a load of tripe!!! Biden has added almost 3 trillion this year and they don't say boo about that!!!) in debt added, blah blah blah. At some point you need to wake up to the fact that this fearmongering was being pushed to manipulate the voter, and has no basis in reality. Except what I say can be substantiated by facts. Quote
Nationalist Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 13 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Except what I say can be substantiated by facts. Facts? Please... Your facts just lost...big time. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 30 minutes ago, sharkman said: Okay, look. The networks, the polling orgs, and the Dem braintrust all told you that Kamala was going to win. Do you deny this? You were so confident about it you started this thread predicting a Kamala win, and IT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE. This simply isn't true. Every poll and media outlet predicted a tight contest and that's what it was. 1 Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
sharkman Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 43 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Except what I say can be substantiated by facts. Don't look now, but the DOW, the Nasdaq and the S&P 500 are disagreeing with you, with the largest spike in years. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 6, 2024 Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 1 minute ago, sharkman said: Don't look now, but the DOW, the Nasdaq and the S&P 500 are disagreeing with you, with the largest spike in years. lol...if is not even 24 hours since Trump won. Technically Trump's 2nd term does not start until January 2025. Come back in 2026, and we will see how the economy is doing, if Trump makes good on his threads to slap on tariffs on countries like China. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 4 minutes ago, sharkman said: Don't look now, but the DOW, the Nasdaq and the S&P 500 are disagreeing with you, with the largest spike in years. No one ever said trump wouldn't be good for the rich. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
sharkman Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 11 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: lol...if is not even 24 hours since Trump won. Technically Trump's 2nd term does not start until January 2025. Come back in 2026, and we will see how the economy is doing, if Trump makes good on his threads to slap on tariffs on countries like China. Yeah, and the wealth, the billionaires, the movers and shakers of the economy ARE DISAGREEING WITH YOU. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 6, 2024 Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 Just now, sharkman said: Yeah, and the wealth, the billionaires, the movers and shakers of the economy ARE DISAGREEING WITH YOU. It's been less than 24 hours. Bookmark this post, and see how well the US economy is doing one year into Trump's second term. Quote
sharkman Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: It's been less than 24 hours. Bookmark this post, and see how well the US economy is doing one year into Trump's second term. I've been predicting an economic crash for at least 2 years. It's still coming, and this election will not change that. Now that Trump has won, the Media will finally start to see the warning signs and report them when they've previously ignored them for 2 years. It should happen by the end of January. Are you aware at all of where the national debt is? The commercial real estate crash? The bond markets? What the BRICS has been doing to the USD around the globe? Your alarm bell ringing is a little late. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 47 minutes ago, Black Dog said: This simply isn't true. Every poll and media outlet predicted a tight contest and that's what it was. No, it wasn't very close. The pollser's numbers indiated it was much closer. As i pointed out earlier, going by my gut trump should win handily but going by the numbers it was close as hell and based on the numbers i thought he'd lose pensylvania which would make a win very very hard. (should have gone with my gut ) This was actually a pretty solid victory for trump. Kamala was down in the vast majority of counties, even where she won she won by a much smaller margin than biden for the most part. It is crystal clear the latino vote came out for trump. She got shellacked. But as i also noted earlier in fairness the odds were against her - she was not a talented candidate and you can overcome that with a really great plan, but she had NO time to plan at all. She was dropped in and to come up with a solid campaign at that point is just not going to happen even if you are skilled. But biden would have lost too. So. They needed to fix their problems before the nomination process started a year ago and they didn't. 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 2 hours ago, User said: Its still really close. Yeah, 2 races flipped after I said that. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CouchPotato Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 All they had to do was stop playing Weekend at Bernie's with Biden a year ago, have a normal selection process, and this could be a much different race for the Democrats. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 42 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: All they had to do was stop playing Weekend at Bernie's with Biden a year ago, have a normal selection process, and this could be a much different race for the Democrats. I don't think it would have made a difference at all. Looking at the shift, it looks a lot like people were mad at the incumbents, the information environment is oriented to the right wing and Trump is a name people know even if he's a shell of what he was even in 2020. That's about all there is to it. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 5 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I don't think it would have made a difference at all. Looking at the shift, it looks a lot like people were mad at the incumbents, the information environment is oriented to the right wing and Trump is a name people know even if he's a shell of what he was even in 2020. That's about all there is to it. That's not all there is to it. If the democrats had put forward a serious candidate who enjoyed the benefits that come with a full primary nomination campaign introducing himself to the electorate and that person presented an actual solid plan and vision which they would have had a proper year to develop instead of coming up with it the last minute, this could have gone very very differently. Because she was vice president Kamala was afraid to differentiate herslf from Biden and even said she wouldn't do anything different. So she could not reasonably present herself as an agent of change. Now who knows, even a proper primary could have resulted in another bad leader. But they would have had a far far better chance of winning, that's for sure. Quote
CouchPotato Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 Just now, Black Dog said: I don't think it would have made a difference at all. Maybe not, but I think it would have been far smarter. I mean you do what you can to win. Trump is a name people know as you say, and despite being vice president Kamala really wasn't that well known. I saw some exit polls with people saying they voted for Kamala and not against Trump, but I don't buy that because I think it's a question where most people would sort of fudge the truth. I don't think many people voted for Kamala. A lot voted against Trump or maybe for the letter D. If they could have forced Michelle at gunpoint to run, I think people would vote for her. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That's not all there is to it. If the democrats had put forward a serious candidate who enjoyed the benefits that come with a full primary nomination campaign introducing himself to the electorate and that person presented an actual solid plan and vision which they would have had a proper year to develop instead of coming up with it the last minute, this could have gone very very differently. Imagine looking at this election and thinking it was about who had the best plan and vision. Quote Because she was vice president Kamala was afraid to differentiate herslf from Biden and even said she wouldn't do anything different. So she could not reasonably present herself as an agent of change. That was a mistake, but i doubt even a tiny portion of the electorate was aware of that. Harris's overall campaign was fine, but they can't compete in a media environment taht is objectively pro-Trump and where the majority of the electorate makes decisions based on vibes alone. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 Just now, Black Dog said: Imagine looking at this election and thinking it was about who had the best plan and vision. Imagine looking at the results and thinking it wasn't. This is why you lost Quote That was a mistake, but i doubt even a tiny portion of the electorate was aware of that. Harris's overall campaign was fine, but they can't compete in a media environment taht is objectively pro-Trump and where the majority of the electorate makes decisions based on vibes alone. Kamala's campaign was a train wreck. The first half of her campaign was her avoiding introducing herself to the public by avoiding interviews like the plague and giggling whenever she did show up instead of answering questions. The second half of her campaign was all about how trump was a Nazi. None of her campaign was about convincing Americans she could get the job done or what she would do differently than Biden whom they hated. Or really what she would do at all. There was no plan. There was no vision. And she has no track record. At least a new person who wasn't tied at the hip to Biden could have stood up and said that he admired many of the things by did but they believed there was a better direction for the country that could move it forward even further and here's what that plan looks like. And as to Media she had every superstar out there endorsing her and singing songs for her and hyping the hell out of her as well as having the media treat her like a Disney princess. But in the end that doesn't motivate people to get out and vote, which is what I was trying to tell you the other day But sure, keep denying the truth. I'm sure the republicans will appreciate another win in 4 years Quote
CouchPotato Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) 14 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Because she was vice president Kamala was afraid to differentiate herslf from Biden and even said she wouldn't do anything different. So she could not reasonably present herself as an agent of change. She also didn't present any coherent message. Like Trudeau she tries to be everything for everyone. She is pro-Israel, she is pro-Gaza. She is pro-immigration. She wants to build Trump's wall. Kamala is publically for just about anything, which means she is lying to someone. Edited November 6, 2024 by CouchPotato Quote
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 Just now, CdnFox said: Imagine looking at the results and thinking it wasn't. This is why you lost It wasn't. You even admit that yourself when you cry about how calling Trump voting garbage people garbage was a bad move. All this other bullshit about her not having a plan or whatever is nullified by the fact that her opponent didn't either. What he had was a comforting fairy tale about how he was going to do good things for good people and bad things to bad people and everyone was going to be great. Nothing concrete, few tangible policy proposals (and those he does have are obviously farcical and destructive), just him telling people what they want to hear. Quote And as to Media she had every superstar out there endorsing her and singing songs for her and hyping the hell out of her as well as having the media treat her like a Disney princess. But in the end that doesn't motivate people to get out and vote, which is what I was trying to tell you the other day The media treated trump with kid gloves. Quote But sure, keep denying the truth. I'm sure the republicans will appreciate another win in 4 years You actually think this election was a rational choice about policy, you're more disconnected from reality than I could ever be. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Aristides Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 18 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Trump will win by over 300 (270 is needed). Americans must be really stupid to elect another coward Democrat. Carter - In his time the worse depression since the great depression in 1980 lasting till Reagan took over Carter - Russians dared to invade Afghanistan Carter - Iranian revolution, Americans taken hostage till the last day of Carter presidency and Carter was too weak to do anything. Biden - Russians invaded Ukraine. Biden - Terrorists attack Israel and killed 1200/ Biden - released over 100 billion dollard to terrorist regime of Islamic Republic and all of that went to Hamas and Hezbollah causing the 7th of October attack. Fu*k Democrats. Trup ahead by one million in popular vote only 30 minutes into counting the votes. With Trump, the Russians will take Ukraine and Israel will be free to do whatever it wants. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 3 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: She also didn't present any coherent message. Like Trudeau she tries to be everything for everyone. She is pro-Israel, she is pro-Gaza. She is pro-immigration. She wants to build Trump's wall. Kamala is publically for just about anything, which means she is lying to someone. Well that's basically what I was saying. She was all giggles and then all hate but never about a vision for the future. She is basically politically tofu, she tastes like whatever she's being cooked with at the moment 1 Quote
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: She also didn't present any coherent message. Like Trudeau she tries to be everything for everyone. She is pro-Israel, she is pro-Gaza. She is pro-immigration. She wants to build Trump's wall. Kamala is publically for just about anything, which means she is lying to someone. This is actually a good point but that's the problem with the dems having to maintain a big tent coalition of diverse interests. The Republicans don't have that problem, they are what they are and you can either be on their team or f*ck off and die. Not that Trump was coherent at all, but he's been pushing the same slop for years so everyone already knows what he's about. Edited November 6, 2024 by Black Dog Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
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