CouchPotato Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: This is actually a good point but that's the problem with the dems having to maintain a big tent coalition of diverse interests. The Republicans don't have that problem, they are what they are and you can either be on their team or f*ck off and die. Not that Trump was coherent at all, but he's been pushing the same slop for years so everyone already knows what he's about. Trump isn't always coherent, but everyone knows what he is saying. The Republicans do have that problem just like the Dems. A lot of the republican party never liked Trump. Trump for instance is not well-liked by the neocon Bush camp. And the republican party for the most part are politicians who do the exact same thing, trying to appease everyone. It is Trump himself who didn't care what people thought and just said what he wanted. I mean I think on some level Trump doesn't even realize he is saying stuff that is offensive. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 3 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: Trump isn't always coherent, but everyone knows what he is saying. The Republicans do have that problem just like the Dems. A lot of the republican party never liked Trump. That hasn't been a problem since Trump steamrolled everyone in 2016. Every Republican who matters has fallen in line and kissed Trump's ass since. Quote Trump for instance is not well-liked by the neocon Bush camp. There's like five people in that camp, none of whom are office holders, who cares. Quote And the republican party for the most part are politicians who do the exact same thing, trying to appease everyone. "Everyone" is "Republican voters" they don't give a shit about anyone else. Quote It is Trump himself who didn't care what people thought and just said what he wanted. I mean I think on some level Trump doesn't even realize he is saying stuff that is offensive. I don't think that was true before, but it might only be true now only because I don't think he even knows where he is most of the time. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Michael Hardner Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 57 minutes ago, Black Dog said: ... but he's been pushing the same slop for years so everyone already knows what he's about. But to what end ? What are people thinking, that this will be a path to the mythical 20th century prosperity ? I feel that they know something is slipping away, so Harris and Clinton's warnings of "stick with status quo" effectively didn't land with them. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 Just now, Black Dog said: It wasn't. You even admit that yourself when you cry about how calling Trump voting garbage people garbage was a bad move. It was a bad move. She should have been running a good campaign. She didn't, she tried to make it all about emotions and the voters were all about reason and logic and they went with trump. If you thought you were disputing my point, you're actually proving it. Very democrat of you Quote All this other bullshit about her not having a plan or whatever is nullified by the fact that her opponent didn't either. But he has track record. When he says that he will probably economy People believe he has the skills because he did it before. So he doesn't have to make a case as strongly. but she absolutely did and she didn't. Quote What he had was a comforting fairy tale about how he was going to do good things for good people and bad things to bad people and everyone was going to be great. Which is pretty much what he did last time. So it's not a 'fairy tale', it's track record. And in the absence of a plan from Kamala thats' what people defaulted to. Quote The media treated trump with kid gloves. That is the most !diotic and desperate thing you've ever said on this forum. Quote You actually think this election was a rational choice about policy, you're more disconnected from reality than I could ever be. You lost kiddo, JUST as i predicted and in just the way i predicted half a year ago. I'm not the disconnected one. WOMEN and LATIOS turned out for trump. And you think I'm the 'disconnected' one? This election was absolutely a rational choice. They could choose between Giggling trump hater with no plan or Trump with decent track record on the economy and foreign affairs, and they decided that just giggleing and hating trump wasn't good enough to run the country and trump's last term wasn't so bad. That's why you lost. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: This is actually a good point but that's the problem with the dems having to maintain a big tent coalition of diverse interests. The Republicans don't have that problem, they are what they are and you can either be on their team or f*ck off and die. A commentator made a very interesting statement. He said that after talking to a bunch of Latino and black people and such they had a very common message that they were sick of the democrats thinking of them as Latino Americans and black Americans and Mexican Americans and all of that, they're just Americans. They want the same thing as all Americans do, a good economy, a safe country, fewer wars, etc The whole intersectional coalition thing where you get multiple groups together and teach them to hate white normies was Obama's idea. The democrats came to think about as being big tent but it's not big tent. It's just racism and it turns out the races are kind of done with it. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It was a bad move. She should have been running a good campaign. She didn't, she tried to make it all about emotions and the voters were all about reason and logic and they went with trump. If you thought you were disputing my point, you're actually proving it. Very democrat of you Nothing says facts and logic like "you hurt muh fee feels so i'm gonna vote for the fascist". Quote But he has track record. When he says that he will probably economy People believe he has the skills because he did it before. So he doesn't have to make a case as strongly. but she absolutely did and she didn't. Again: this is "he did good economy before" shit is all vibes-based, not empirical. You keep proving my point! Quote Which is pretty much what he did last time. So it's not a 'fairy tale', it's track record. And in the absence of a plan from Kamala thats' what people defaulted to. That same track record got him voted out of office by a massive margin. So explain why people are buying his shit now when they didn't four years ago. Quote That is the most !diotic and desperate thing you've ever said on this forum. It happens to be true. The media was largely in the tank for Trump, including the so called liberal MSM like the New York Times, which continually downplayed negative Trump stories, his age and mental health. Quote You lost kiddo, JUST as i predicted and in just the way i predicted half a year ago. I'm not the disconnected one. WOMEN and LATIOS turned out for trump. And you think I'm the 'disconnected' one? You think this was an election about policy with voters choosing based on facts and logic so yes it's clear you're deeply disconnected. Quote This election was absolutely a rational choice. They could choose between Giggling trump hater with no plan or Trump with decent track record on the economy and foreign affairs, and they decided that just giggleing and hating trump wasn't good enough to run the country and trump's last term wasn't so bad. That's not a rational choice, that is an emotional one. This idea that people are making real calculations based on facts and not gut feelings (even after you give example after example of people going with vibes) shows that you don't actually know any real people and don't follow what people actually say. 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: A commentator made a very interesting statement. He said that after talking to a bunch of Latino and black people and such they had a very common message that they were sick of the democrats thinking of them as Latino Americans and black Americans and Mexican Americans and all of that, they're just Americans. They want the same thing as all Americans do, a good economy, a safe country, fewer wars, etc And then everyone clapped. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
NAME REMOVED Posted November 6, 2024 Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 2 hours ago, CouchPotato said: All they had to do was stop playing Weekend at Bernie's with Biden a year ago, have a normal selection process, and this could be a much different race for the Democrats. They should have marched Biden behind the shed, and did the "Ol Yeller" to him, for being a selfish POS. Biden knew he had dementia, and screwed the World. Then the Democrats should have exiled Kamala to Alaska. She was never going to win, and I'm tired of the Democrats letting LOSERS run. If Pete Buttigieg was facing Trump, he would ahve destroyed him. On 11/4/2024 at 9:36 PM, DUI_Offender said: I am predicting Harris wins Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Trump takes Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, and North Carolina. Final vote: Harris 270 Trump 268. I was way off. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 23 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Nothing says facts and logic like "you hurt muh fee feels so i'm gonna vote for the fascist". Nothing says "I'm too stupid to understand why we lost" then claiming that anybody voted for a fascist because of their feels. Quote Again: this is "he did good economy before" shit is all vibes-based, not empirical. You keep proving my point! It is 100% empirical. You have lied to yourself so long about this that you can't even cope with the facts of the matter. By every reasonable metric trump's economy right up to covid was good. Slightly better than Obama's in fact. And people knew it, they could see it in their daily lives. You can lie about the facts of the figures if you like but you can't lie to people about what their experiencing. You can't tell people they're liars or stupid when they can't afford food and rent. You are the delusional one who's ignoring the facts here. Biden's economy was not good for most people, trump's was. Quote That same track record got him voted out of office by a massive margin. So explain why people are buying his shit now when they didn't four years ago. Wasn't about the economy 4 years ago, it was about covid and the democrats were able to lie about that hard enough so that people voted in fear. They're not afraid right now so they're voting with their common sense. Quote It happens to be true. The media was largely in the tank for Trump, including the so called liberal MSM like the New York Times, which continually downplayed negative Trump stories, his age and mental health. In fact they tried to exaggerate all of that. And really that's what killed the democrats, people got so sick and tired of hearing bullshit and lies that they just tuned it out. Quote You think this was an election about policy with voters choosing based on facts and logic so yes it's clear you're deeply disconnected. I said this would happen, I said exactly why this would happen and how this would happen and I said it ages ago. You lost, and you lost huge. And you did so because it is you and your fellow democrats who are out of touch. Sorry kiddo, the science says I'm right Quote That's not a rational choice, that is an emotional one. LOLOLOL That is 100% a rational choice A rational person understands that giggling and hating someone else are not qualifications to run a country. Like that's his rational as it gets. What the democrats were hoping for is an emotional response where people were afraid and decided that Trump was Hitler and not to vote for him and that's not what happened Quote This idea that people are making real calculations based on facts and not gut feelings (even after you give example after example of people going with vibes) shows that you don't actually know any real people and don't follow what people actually say. Lying to yourself isn't going to make things better any more than lying to the public did Quote And then everyone clapped. All the way to the white house Quote
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 Just now, CdnFox said: Nothing says "I'm too stupid to understand why we lost" then claiming that anybody voted for a fascist because of their feels. You said they did. You said people voted for Trump because Harris campaign called them garbage. That's an emotional response. Hurt fees fees. Quote It is 100% empirical. You have lied to yourself so long about this that you can't even cope with the facts of the matter. By every reasonable metric trump's economy right up to covid was good. Slightly better than Obama's in fact. And people knew it, they could see it in their daily lives. It was fine. Trump had little to do with it, which is, again, a evidence of the irrationality of the voting public. Quote You can lie about the facts of the figures if you like but you can't lie to people about what their experiencing. You can't tell people they're liars or stupid when they can't afford food and rent. You are the delusional one who's ignoring the facts here. Biden's economy was not good for most people, trump's was. Ah yes: "the Biden numbers are fake' lol. Quote Wasn't about the economy 4 years ago, it was about covid and the democrats were able to lie about that hard enough so that people voted in fear. They're not afraid right now so they're voting with their common sense. In fact they tried to exaggerate all of that. And really that's what killed the democrats, people got so sick and tired of hearing bullshit and lies that they just tuned it out. I said this would happen, I said exactly why this would happen and how this would happen and I said it ages ago. You lost, and you lost huge. And you did so because it is you and your fellow democrats who are out of touch. Sorry kiddo, the science says I'm right LMAO "science" you're really high on your own supply today buddy boy, Quote LOLOLOL That is 100% a rational choice A rational person understands that giggling and hating someone else are not qualifications to run a country. Like that's his rational as it gets. What the democrats were hoping for is an emotional response where people were afraid and decided that Trump was Hitler and not to vote for him and that's not what happened Lying to yourself isn't going to make things better any more than lying to the public did A rational person would understand that a guy promising to fix everything without any actual plans to do so isn't a serious choice but they voted for him anyway so no, that's not a rational choice no matter how you try and change the meaning of the word. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 1 minute ago, Black Dog said: You said they did. You said people voted for Trump because Harris campaign called them garbage. That's an emotional response. Hurt fees fees. What I said was that instead of having a campaign all harris did was claim people were garbage and Nazis and you don't win an election that way. That is absolutely a rational decision. Although I must say I'm not entirely surprised that I'm being forced to explain to you what a rational decision is Quote It was fine. Trump had little to do with it, which is, again, a evidence of the irrationality of the voting public .It was horrible and she got her butt kicked. Really really badly. She was significantly down from Biden in the vast majority of the counties even ones that she won. Quote Ah yes: "the Biden numbers are fake' lol. See? Even you know it Quote LMAO "science" you're really high on your own supply today buddy boy, Oh dear. You're having the usual little meltdown when you are wrong I see Quote A rational person would understand that a guy promising to fix everything without any actual plans to do so isn't a serious choice Rational people understood that giving a choice between a guy promising to fix everything who actually has a track record of fixing everything is a far better choice then a giggling !diot with no track record and no plan. Hey. Kid. You were warned about this going back a year. Myself and others told you if all the democrats do is try and make this about how terrible trump is they will lose. We told you that the endless court cases would work against the democrats and that pretty quick people were just going to tune out anything negative about trump. And that if all you did was come up with fake nonsense about how trump was going to try to take over the world then you just become the boy who cried trump and no one listens. You were told that nobody's buying Russian collusion anymore. You were told that the economy was not anywhere near as great as Biden was pretending and that has now been confirmed with revised numbers. And you were told that people knew that because of what was happening in their daily lives and they weren't going to vote for Biden based on lies they could see in their own lives weren't true You chose to ignore it. You insisted that for sure it would work! If you just managed to call trump names a little harder everybody would cave and vote for democrats! You even laughed at their get out of the vote efforts. Well, you got four years of learning how wrong you were. Even staring your failure in the face you can't cope with it enough to admit you were wrong. Quote
CouchPotato Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) 55 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: They should have marched Biden behind the shed, and did the "Ol Yeller" to him, for being a selfish POS. Biden knew he had dementia, and screwed the World. But they were the ones who wanted to push him into the Whitehouse like Weekend at Bernie's. I mean Biden having dementia makes him far less culpable in my eyes. They were willing to lie about it so they could use the Biden brand again. Then it blew up when it was too late. That's not on Biden. I mean everybody around him was saying he was a-ok and sharp as a tack. He probably believed it. The guy was a puppet. I mean quite literally, when you talk about someone being a political puppet, Joe Biden is now the prime example. I mean they actually had to have people leading him around half the time. Edited November 6, 2024 by CouchPotato 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 49 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: They should have marched Biden behind the shed, and did the "Ol Yeller" to him, for being a selfish POS. Biden knew he had dementia, and screwed the World. Then the Democrats should have exiled Kamala to Alaska. She was never going to win, and I'm tired of the Democrats letting LOSERS run. If Pete Buttigieg was facing Trump, he would ahve destroyed him. I was way off. Lol... Toss Brandon under the bus...when you spent the last 4 years lying about his cognitive decline. Toss Kamala under the bus...when you've spent the last 4 months fawning over her. And your answer to the democrat stupidity is...Pothole Pete? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 2 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: But they were the ones who wanted to push him into the Whitehouse like Weekend at Bernie's. I mean Biden having dementia makes him far less culpable in my eyes. They were willing to lie about it so they could use the Biden brand again. Then it blew up when it was too late. That's not on Biden. I mean everybody around him was saying he was a-ok and sharp as a tack. He probably believed it. The guy was a puppet. The problem is he did halfway decent in the midterms. But yes, they definitely should have pushed him out earlier 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol... Toss Brandon under the bus...when you spent the last 4 years lying about his cognitive decline. Toss Kamala under the bus...when you've spent the last 4 months fawning over her. And your answer to the democrat stupidity is...Pothole Pete? Pete Would not have stood up well to trump, although he probably would have done better than Kammy. What the democrats need is to give up on the far left woke nonsense candidates and focus on more old school right of center competent candidates that can create a clear narrative and have the skills to deliver. As much as I disliked Obama's terms he was someone that could paint a picture and could reach out to people. He looked competent, he felt confident he won the election. Bernie Sanders almost won the nomination last time. Biden was not really elected as much as he was dropped in by the party to make sure Bernie didn't win and Bernie accepted that. Kamala wasn't even dropped in by the party, she was just what was left standing after Biden got cut down. They need to look long and hard to find some good moderates who can really appeal to the public again, especially if trump does a decent job and finishes his term strong Edited November 6, 2024 by CdnFox 1 Quote
CouchPotato Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: They should have marched Biden behind the shed, and did the "Ol Yeller" to him, for being a selfish POS. Biden knew he had dementia, and screwed the World. After making him their candidate, and then telling him to sit home and shut up, and then using him for years, and telling him what to say and do, and pretending he didn't have dementia, and then suddenly saying "wait you do have dementia now, take a hike" .... I think he was a pretty loyal little puppy. Far from shooting him, they should buy him his own personal ice cream parlor on a beach somewhere and send him weekly tractor trailer loads of human hair to sniff for the rest of his life. 1 Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 6, 2024 Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: Lol... Toss Brandon under the bus...when you spent the last 4 years lying about his cognitive decline. I registered for the forum a year ago. Edited November 7, 2024 by DUI_Offender Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 6, 2024 Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 1 hour ago, CouchPotato said: But they were the ones who wanted to push him into the Whitehouse like Weekend at Bernie's. I mean Biden having dementia makes him far less culpable in my eyes. They were willing to lie about it so they could use the Biden brand again. Then it blew up when it was too late. That's not on Biden. I mean everybody around him was saying he was a-ok and sharp as a tack. He probably believed it. The guy was a puppet. I mean quite literally, when you talk about someone being a political puppet, Joe Biden is now the prime example. I mean they actually had to have people leading him around half the time. For most of 2023-24, I honestly thought Biden was just getting old. The first time I really thought of Biden going into cognitive decline was the debate with trump. It's sometimes hard to tell, especially since Biden has always had a speech impediment. Dementia is tragic. 3 of my 4 Grandparents had it, as well as my mother. From everything I have heard, the patient realises something is wrong long before their social circle does. In my Mom's case, she knew 2 years before she was diagnosed she was in cognitive decline, while I did not catch on until 2 years later. Biden probably knew he was suffering from early onset dementia by 2021-22. The fact that him and his wife would choose to run again in 2024, is selfish. Quote
Fluffypants Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) I said it before and I will say it again, Kamala Harris was never meant to win, she was just there to keep the money spigot open, they didn't dump Biden because he was going to lose they dumped Biden because big money donors were threatening to cut off their funds. American were not feeling so great about the economy and whoever took over would have to start from scratch and none of their bench candidates were polling well against Trump so Kamala Harris was the only choice since she can essentially just take over the Biden campaign and get all his campaign funds. There will be books written about what was going on behind the scenes of the Biden Presidency. I wouldn't doubt Kamala knew full well that Biden was fading and thought if they could just drag him through the election and win. It set her up to be the next President when he had to resign. God knows she couldn't win a primary let alone a national election. After that debate performance it was plain to the world something wasn't quite right with Biden and then the demands for him to step down from the election got louder and louder to the point they couldn't be ignored. My guess is they went to Biden and told him he has 2 choices step down from the campaign or they would use the 25th to make him step down and he could either be revered as a hero who selflessly gave up the campaign to ensure Democracy or a sad old man unceremoniously removed from office unable to complete his term. The sheer buttering up Biden to the point of being laughable made that quite obvious. Nancy Pelosi with a straight face suggested Biden should be on Mt Rushmore. Edited November 6, 2024 by Fluffypants 1 Quote
CouchPotato Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 40 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: For most of 2023-24, I honestly thought Biden was just getting old. The first time I really thought of Biden going into cognitive decline was the debate with trump. I think it was obvious in 2021. People were beginning to question it then. I remember he had one particular appearance on CNN where Don Lemon was interviewing him and he had to sort of help Joe answer the questions. If I remember right there was a press conference a few years ago where at one point he said something like "uh... they are telling me to stop talking now". I'll have to do a deep dive and see if I can find that. Quote Dementia is tragic. 3 of my 4 Grandparents had it, as well as my mother. From everything I have heard, the patient realises something is wrong long before their social circle does. In my Mom's case, she knew 2 years before she was diagnosed she was in cognitive decline, while I did not catch on until 2 years later. Biden probably knew he was suffering from early onset dementia by 2021-22 It is sad. And it is something that could be awaiting any of us. I have had family members with it as well. I think they know something is wrong but some people tend to be more in denial about it. Quote
Fluffypants Posted November 6, 2024 Report Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Pete Would not have stood up well to trump, although he probably would have done better than Kammy. What the democrats need is to give up on the far left woke nonsense candidates and focus on more old school right of center competent candidates that can create a clear narrative and have the skills to deliver. As much as I disliked Obama's terms he was someone that could paint a picture and could reach out to people. He looked competent, he felt confident he won the election. Bernie Sanders almost won the nomination last time. Biden was not really elected as much as he was dropped in by the party to make sure Bernie didn't win and Bernie accepted that. Kamala wasn't even dropped in by the party, she was just what was left standing after Biden got cut down. They need to look long and hard to find some good moderates who can really appeal to the public again, especially if trump does a decent job and finishes his term strong Bernie is the DNC's prison ho, I remember when they worked to openly screw him and cheated him when he was going against Hilary Clinton and in the end he endorsed and campaign for her. Edited November 6, 2024 by Fluffypants Quote
CdnFox Posted November 7, 2024 Report Posted November 7, 2024 42 minutes ago, Fluffypants said: Bernie is the DNC's prison ho, I remember when they worked to openly screw him and cheated him when he was going against Hilary Clinton and in the end he endorsed and campaign for her. Same with Biden. He was clearly winning against Biden and was going to take the nomination when they stepped in and basically said sorry, we can't have a communist candidate or trump will win. They pushed him aside, did some sort of deal with him, and he wholeheartedly endorsed Biden and took it like a biatch Quote
Nationalist Posted November 7, 2024 Report Posted November 7, 2024 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: I registered for the forum a year ago, you imbecile.. Oh excuse me. You only supported Brandon and pee-brain for a year...on this site. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
NAME REMOVED Posted November 7, 2024 Author Report Posted November 7, 2024 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Oh excuse me. You only supported Brandon and pee-brain for a year...on this site. It;s a shame Biden was in cognitive decline. He would have won the election, if he was mentally sharp. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 7, 2024 Report Posted November 7, 2024 2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: It;s a shame Biden was in cognitive decline. He would have won the election, if he was mentally sharp. He was losing the election horribly before anybody realized he was incognitive decline. His job approval rating was completely in the tank. He was polling way below trump. Absolutely nobody was interested in him staying on his president. The debate was the icing on the cake but he was already losing the election long before then Quote
Nationalist Posted November 7, 2024 Report Posted November 7, 2024 7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: It;s a shame Biden was in cognitive decline. He would have won the election, if he was mentally sharp. Are you trying to say that you didn't know Brandon was in decline well before that debate? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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