5 Traitors Named

[Goddess]

Independent MP Kevin Vuong held a CPAC press conference today and named names:

 

[Goddess]

Sorry, I can't find a CBC article.  It appears they did not attend the press conference.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 politicians have been named.  I think 3 Liberal politicians (including 1 independent Senator nominated by Trudeau) and 1 Conservative Senator.  Some info about the CPC leadership race as well.

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

@Michael Hardner

Heard this quote today, thought of you regarding Trudeau and this interference: 

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."

But...I guess we'll see.  We're talking about politicians here 🙂

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

@Michael Hardner

Heard this quote today, thought of you regarding Trudeau and this interference: 

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."

But...I guess we'll see.  We're talking about politicians here 🙂

Exactly.  Some things are pretty clear though, especially for politicians: hubris and ego.

[ExFlyer]

Anyone can accuse.

Can anyone prove the allegations?

[Aristides]

Sam Cooper is a respected investigative  reporter who has done great work on things like money laundering. I don't doubt his statements are well researched and accurate. While disturbing, whether they actually prove interference is another matter. Stay tuned.

Edited October 29, 2024 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Anyone can accuse.

Can anyone prove the allegations?

This came from a CSIS investigation so there must be some pretty strong evidence. 

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Sam Cooper is a respected investigative  reporter who has done great work on things like money laundering. I don't doubt his statements are well researched and accurate. While disturbing, whether they actually prove interference is another matter. Stay tuned.

Interference as you note can mean a lot of things. It is entirely possible for a campaign to receive money or to have a staff member working with them who is compromised and not really realize it or be actively working in favor of someone else. On the other hand maybe they actually did something to earn that money. Way too soon to tell, but they should all be thoroughly investigated and not able to run in the next election under their party flags if there's any hint of a problem

[Queenmandy85]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This came from a CSIS investigation so there must be some pretty strong evidence.

I tend to be skeptical about anything produced by CSIS or any other intelligence agency. I am not saying the allegations are without merit, just that CSIS, Mi6, CIA, GRU etc have a lousy track  record going back to before the execution of Margarite Gertrude Zelle.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I tend to be skeptical about anything produced by CSIS or any other intelligence agency. I am not saying the allegations are without merit, just that CSIS, Mi6, CIA, GRU etc have a lousy track  record going back to before the execution of Margarite Gertrude Zelle.

I'm all for skepticism, I'm absolutely no fan of trusting the government as I'm sure you're well aware. But at the same time if it's a government report it must contain some details and evidence or they wouldn't put it forward. It doesn't mean there can't be mistakes or that the data isn't open to interpretation but I don't think we can say that it is an utterly baseless accusation or anything. There must be something to it at least

[Army Guy]

26 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I tend to be skeptical about anything produced by CSIS or any other intelligence agency. I am not saying the allegations are without merit, just that CSIS, Mi6, CIA, GRU etc have a lousy track  record going back to before the execution of Margarite Gertrude Zelle.

And yet night after night we have heard Liberal/NDP lie to all Canadians, and a full 1/3 of Canadians believe every word they say...Even Justin has admitted to this interference, even saying conservatives were involved....were there is smoke there is fire....the real question is CSIS willing to reveal their sources that prove everything. 

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I tend to be skeptical about anything produced by CSIS or any other intelligence agency. I am not saying the allegations are without merit, just that CSIS, Mi6, CIA, GRU etc have a lousy track  record going back to before the execution of Margarite Gertrude Zelle.

So, PP cannot find out the names yet this reporter can?

Just naming names with out proof is unacceptable.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

So, PP cannot find out the names yet this reporter can?

Just naming names with out proof is unacceptable.

you're right. Justin should release the details immediately and clear this up. Funny that he hasn't

[Moonlight Graham]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Exactly.  Some things are pretty clear though, especially for politicians: hubris and ego.

Some people also want power or material wealth and other self-interested things and will do unethical things for it.

[Queenmandy85]

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you're right. Justin should release the details immediately and clear this up. Funny that he hasn't

Would you be willing to go to jail if you were Prime Minister? That would be the penalty for breaching the Act.

It is strange that Mr. Poilivre is afraid to find out for himself. With the explosive information about the interference in the CPC  leadership race lurking in there, it begs the question of why he is afraid to go through the clearence process. He is going to have to do it when he is appointed Prime Minister. As M. Blanchet pointed out, Mr. Poilievre is keeping the Commons frozen in order to avoid a non-confidence motion that could bring down the government. Is he actually afraid of an election he can't lose?

Of course, I'm just spouting silly things . I don't believe Pierre is a Manchurian candidate... maybe not even an Indian spy. But he is afraid of something and whatever it is, that secret is more important than a couple of obscure politicians who have been mentioned as maybe have spoken to chinese agents.

Edited October 29, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[taxme]

20 hours ago, Goddess said:

Independent MP Kevin Vuong held a CPAC press conference today and named names:

 

So, what are you personally going to do about this Chinese takeover of Canada? Just asking. 😁

[taxme]

43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you're right. Justin should release the details immediately and clear this up. Funny that he hasn't

"Funny that he hasn't"? Ha-ha-ha. So, what else is new with this imbecile PM of yours? All just more talk, no action taken.

I know that the imbecile in Ottawa sure likes to borrow and blow taxpayer's tax dollars which nobody here seems to give a bloody chit about. How is inflation working out in your area? 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Would you be willing to go to jail if you were Prime Minister? That would be the penalty for breaching the Act.

What utter bullshit.

The Prime Minister can declassify anything he wants to. Not to mention the fact that he can certainly pass any act that he wants to.

There would be absolutely nothing stopping him in the slightest at all even a little bit if it's what he wanted to do

The mere suggestion that somehow the government can produce a report that the government can't decide on its own whether it's classified or not is patently insane

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It is strange that Mr. Poilivre is afraid to find out for himself.

It's also a lie. I get why you feel the need to lie to cover for Justin. Just as you felt the need to lie about the idea that he couldn't release information as prime minister.

Poilievre cannot read the report without being forced to stop asking questions. He doesn't want to be muzzled. But of course in order to cover up the fact that you're supporting a corrupt government due to your own moral failings rather than any concern for Canada or the truth you have perpetuate the lies that Justin can't release information when he can or that Poilievre is acting out of fear rather than doing his job which is exactly what he's doing.

Justin can and should release the details tomorrow so that we can all know what's going on. He doesn't want to because the overwhelming number of people involved are liberals and this will come back to haunt him. Poilievre has said that once he gets in he will release the information but of course justin will be gone by then  and will be Beyond police investigation due to privilege

It is disgusting that he is covering this up, and it is more disgusting that there are Canadians such as yourself who put the liberal party ahead of the interests of Canada and democracy. You should be deeply ashamed

Edited October 30, 2024 by CdnFox

[Queenmandy85]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The Prime Minister can declassify anything he wants to. Not to mention the fact that he can certainly pass any act that he wants to.

There would be absolutely nothing stopping him in the slightest at all even a little bit if it's what he wanted to do

The mere suggestion that somehow the government can produce a report that the government can't decide on its own whether it's classified or not is patently insane

The information is classified for a reason. CSIS and the RCMP have explained the reasons why releasing the information would be injurious to national security. It would also cause irreparable damage to innocent people. If there is sufficient evidence to charge an individual, the justice system is the vehicle for dealing with them, not a witch hunt.

You are incorrect that the PM can simply declassify classified information. There is no system in Canada for the declassification of documents. It would problematic to give a Prime Minister that authority. It could lead to a politisization of the process.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/does-justin-trudeau-need-a-way-to-declassify-election-meddling-secrets-his-top-aide-is/article_1c4c3e98-421f-5a0f-96ac-da2eb01868a9.html

Mr. Poilievre's problem springs from the pre-testimonial interviews that pointed out that there is "explosive" information regarding the CPC leadership campaign. If that information was inaccurate, the Commissioner would have jumped on it. She has access to all of the documents. We do not know which candidate was compromised but why is Mr. Poilievre so reluctant to find out? His excuse that he would be muzzled is ridiculous. I think he is frightened.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It is disgusting that he is covering this up, and it is more disgusting that there are Canadians such as yourself who put the liberal party ahead of the interests of Canada and democracy.

Now, a Liberal would say that the interests of Canada and the Liberal Party are aligned. That is why it is "The Natural Governing Party." As a Progressive Conservative, given a choice between a flawed Prime Minister Trudeau and an immature Mr. Poilievre and the Social Credit Party, I have to think long and hard about whom I vote for. Which one has experience in dealing with a Trump administration? 

Disclaimer: I had the same feeling about Justin Trudeau in 2015: All flash and no bang. We will find out in about 11 months when Mr. Poilievre is appointed.

Edited October 30, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The information is classified for a reason.

Yes  the biggest being it'll hurt trudeau to release it. 

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CSIS and the RCMP have explained the reasons why releasing the information would be injurious to national security.

Where.  Show me this explanation of why no information can  be shared.

 

22 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are incorrect that the PM can simply declassify classified information.

I am one hundred percent correct that if trudeau wanted to release the information there is a process that would allow him to do that.

It would also cause irreparable damage to innocent people. If there is sufficient evidence to charge an individual, the justice system is the vehicle for dealing with them, not a witch hunt.

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There is no system in Canada for the declassification of documents. It would problematic to give a Prime Minister that authority. It could lead to a politisization of the process.

it says clearly in the article you posted that the government can pass new laws if it wants to to make that happen. The problem isn't that there's no framework precisely, it says clearly who's responsible and it's the government. So it would be very very simple for the government to pass a quick resolution and probably an ordering council instructing the treasury Department to de classify the information. Worst case scenario they have to put it through parliament which they can easily do

So that was a lie. They do absolutely have a path to release the information if they wish

 

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Now, a Liberal would say that the interests of Canada and the Liberal Party are aligned. 

As we have just seen a liberal would say anything whatsoever to keep their party in power even if it harms Canada or its people, even if it means selling out to the Chinese. As I said you should be deeply ashamed. There is no defending this.

Justin sat on this report for years, justin has every ability to release this information and restore the public's faith in the voting process which is now badly shaken, Justin's people seems to have benefited from this, parliament is currently frozen because Justin refuses to release information that the chair has ordered him to release.

His behavior is so shameful it borders on being treated treasonous. And you're here dishonestly defending that as if the liberal party is more important than your country.

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Which one has experience in dealing with a Trump administration? 

Definitely Justin, and he failed horribly. Trump hates him, doesn't respect him, and walked all over him.

And we both know you're not going to think about who to vote for. The liberals obviously own you body and soul. You can't even think freely for yourself and Our subservient to the point where you excuse their covering up of Chinese interference in our elections as being reasonable.

[Queenmandy85]

You seem fixated on China. Until Canada had to arrest Meng Wanzhou, we had better relations with China. In 83 days, we may regret not having better relations with them, but that belongs in another thread. China is interfering without a doubt.

But China is not the only player. According to former Premier Ujjal Dosanjh, Prime Minister Trudeau is heavily influenced by the Khalistani movement, resulting in animosity with India, our great hope as a counter balance to China. The Khalistanis are a major cause for concern at the moment. We need India.

 

 

[Queenmandy85]

58 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And we both know you're not going to think about who to vote for.

I don't think you do. My MP is Kevin Waugh. I may not like Mr. Poilievre, but Kevin is an excellent MP. I will likely vote for him.

So, now we both know who I will vote for...unless I change my mind. 11 months is a long time in politics. 😎

Trudeau has been a decent Prime Minister. Inspite of your unfortunate rhetoric, he got us through covid with fewer fatalities than many western countries, he managed to get a decent result in NAFTA and in the post pandemic economic turmoil, our inflation was lower and shorter than many western countries, including the Mother Country.

Imagine you are sitting down with the Prime Minister and you have the opportunity to point out all the mistakes he is making. His response, "If you know so much, why am I Prime Minister and you are not."

In 11 months, my meeting with Prime Minister Poilievre will be the same. 

Cheers.

Edited October 30, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[Nefarious Banana]

23 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Trudeau has been a decent Prime Minister . . . he got us through covid with fewer fatalities than many western countries, he managed to get a decent result in NAFTA and in the post pandemic economic turmoil, our inflation was lower and shorter than many western countries, including the Mother Country.

Don't Bogart that joint my friend . . . pass it over to herbie and eyeball.

[Moonlight Graham]

Every government official from China should be banned from the country.  If this doesn't fix the problem then only Canadian-born people should be able to run for political office because they're far less able to be compromised and blackmailed than those who have close family and other interests overseas.

The lack of honour in our officials is insane.  If a politician or any government employee gets threatened or had attempts at bribery on them they should all be making a bee-line to the RCMP immediately.

The fact that Trudeau and his PMO has been sitting on all of these names and info and never even did an investigation on it until it was leaked is disgusting.  Thankfully we have some patriots in CSIS and elsewhere to blow the whistle.  Trudeau needs to resign ASAP, he's a disgrace.  Same with anyone else who sat on this info.

Edited October 30, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 

Trudeau has been a decent Prime Minister. Inspite of your unfortunate rhetoric, he got us through covid with fewer fatalities than many western countries, he managed to get a decent result in NAFTA and in the post pandemic economic turmoil, our inflation was lower and shorter than many western countries, including the Mother Country.

 

Absolutely none of that is true. He didn't get us through covid at all, in fact due to his screw UPS we got the vaccine months later than we should have. The provincial leaders did all of the work and took all of the blame for all of the things that they had to do to get us through covid. Trudeau divided us at covid. Instead of trying to bring us together he went on TV and said that people that didn't want to take the vaccine were bigots and misogynists and waste of space who shouldn't be tolerated. That was his big contribution to leadership during covid.

His utter incompetence directly led to the truckers Convoy. His arrive cam app cost hundreds of millions of dollars and did nothing and needed to be scrapped in the end and was duplicated for fun on a weekend by a professional company.

HIs covid spending was way over the top. Most of the money wound up in the hands of corporations that just didn't need it

Explain to me what he actually did that "Got us through covid "

He has literally borrowed more than the amount of money of every other prime minister in history combined and that burden will drag our future generations down. He is responsible for most of the inflation that we have experienced and that's not me talking that's the banks and other economists. And he was warned that the immigration levels he was looking at would lead to that sort of an effect by his own people.

He has turned Canadians one against another. For the very first time in our history people are seriously turning against immigration. We have demonstrations in the streets stomping on gay flags the law is being passed to restrict transgender activities. We have an unsustainable deficit and no plan to ever reduce it.

We have a housing shortage that is driven costs so high that the number of homeless people has shot through the roof. So-called Trudeau towns of RVs and campers are springing up all across Canada because people can't afford to live indoors. He's driven food prices so high that 25% of Canadians are expected to visit a food bank this fall.

He is objectively the very worst prime minister we have ever had. And these are opinions these are verifiable facts. By any metric that you could possibly name we are worse off under him. GDP per capita is a disaster. Unity is a disaster. We failed to reach our environmental goals or even come close. For the first time in Canadian history business investment is leaving Canada faster than it's coming.

But even if none of that was true it still wouldn't for a moment excuse you from supporting a man was actively trying to protect the Chinese government and their interference in our country because it benefited him.

Sir you have no regard for your fellow Canadians or your country or decency. You are supporting a narcissistic monster who eats $1,000 a plate dinners while he flies around to other countries that are expense leaving behind an absolute disaster have a country that would make Nero shake his head.

That's not rhetoric. That's reality in Canada today.

Edited October 30, 2024 by CdnFox