The Marxist NDP introducing motion to deny freedom of speech

[herbie]

What an assholic attitude. Was gonna say intolerant, but that's too mild a criticism.
Arguing that in a thread about the Church's most excessive abuses as a defence, that's stupid down to the bones.

Edited September 29, 2024 by herbie

[West]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

What an assholic attitude. Was gonna say intolerant, but that's too mild a criticism.
Arguing that in a thread about the Church's most excessive abuses as a defence, that's stupid down to the bones.

Define "the church". 

I didn't rape or abuse anybody. Why you trying to lump everyone together? That's assholic and disgusting 

[I am Groot]

On 9/28/2024 at 9:33 AM, Michael Hardner said:

It's almost like people are calling neoliberal capitalist centrist parties Marxist out of intellectual laziness and stupidity. 

But you know that can't be the case. 

Such a puzzler...

Are you calling the NDP a centrist party?

I don't think even the Liberals qualify as centrist anymore.

Edited September 29, 2024 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 9/28/2024 at 9:35 AM, Michael Hardner said:

It also doesn't allow for teaching the history of racism in school If the far-right government disapproves. 

It also doesn't allow for tolerance, inclusion, atheism and most philosophies that have developed since the Renaissance.

When has Canada ever had a far right government? Who has even complained about teaching the history of racism in school? The complaint is about indoctrinating children with far-left ideas that are divisive, teach children that they are either victims or oppressors and disparage their country and its history.

Edited September 29, 2024 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, suds said:

Maybe the amendment being made to the criminal code in 2022 wasn't such a good idea. Yes, the holocaust was a genocide, and by definition so was the residential school system. 

By what definition? By a twisted definition that ignores the reality of the world that existed a hundred and fifty years ago. If you want to call trying to teach children to follow the customs, values, and cultures of their nation 'genocide' then every nation on earth is guilty of it. 

17 hours ago, suds said:

Whatever their intentions, I have to ask if they would have done the same thing today with the Genocide Convention in place. I would have to say probably not. In particular, The Rome Statute of the ICC Art. II (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
 

And when did this happen? 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

When has Canada ever had a far right government?

It has one right now if those who compare the Liberals to Nazis are to be believed.

I realize they consider Nazis left wing but...🤣

The right wing is a direction not a place.

[taxme]

On 9/26/2024 at 8:51 PM, herbie said:

BTW your Freedom of Speech does not cover shouting FIRE in a theatre, incitement to riot or standing on a soapbox calling for people to kill the Jews.

So it shouldn't surprise you a native MP asks for an amendment covering her people. As seen on this very board anti-Indigenous racists regularly spout off over anything that might give natives a step toward equality.

We know that shouting fire in a theater is wrong, stunned. But that is not what this topic is all about. Read the headline above, will you. Wokesters like you make me always want to puke. So, who is covering my white brothers and sisters and their right to their freedom of speech which is constantly under attack every day in this Marxist country.   

Anyway, I am fed up with the native Indian whiners. They have contributed nothing to Canada except to whine and cry about how hard they are being done by. They have been receiving hundreds of millions of Canadian taxpayer's tax dollars over several decades and what have they done with those tax dollars? They pissed them away. They should be filthy rich by now, but instead, they are flat broke. Do you think that i as a white person i am not being screwed by my own white Canadian politicians every day? I am pretty close to becoming broke myself thanks to those white liberal/NDP Marxists traitors in Ottawa. 

When we see what the Jews in Israel are doing to the Palestinians, and now the Lebanese these days, why wouldn't there be people getting up on their soapbox and shouting out about what is happening to their people? We always have to feel sorry for the pampered pooches. Just my opinion. 

 

[taxme]

On 9/26/2024 at 1:05 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

These people are insane.

These same people are now running BC. Nothing can't get done without the blessing of the feather and all thanks to the Marxist NDP. The province of BC is pretty much owned by them. They now must be included in every project that now goes on here in BC. W/o their blessing of the feather, nothing can get done here in BC. It will be all about the money with them now. Pay up or there will be a no go show. That is how politics works in BC today. Just saying. 

[taxme]

On 9/27/2024 at 7:30 PM, West said:

Where does one even start to roll back the Communist manifesto that's being implemented in the US and Canada? 

The Communist revolution.. truly disgusting 

Want to get rid of the communists that are running North America? Start by voting in Trump and Poilievre has the new leaders in America and Canada. We truly do live in a North America where the communist foxes are running the freedom lovers hen house these days. Even Kamala's daddy was Marxist. That says it pretty much all as to what she stands for.

Disgusting is putting it mildly. 

 

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

By what definition? By a twisted definition that ignores the reality of the world that existed a hundred and fifty years ago. If you want to call trying to teach children to follow the customs, values, and cultures of their nation 'genocide' then every nation on earth is guilty of it. 

And when did this happen? 

Sudsy boy is just another wokester. 😁

[Dougie93]

let the leftist lunatics of the NDP put their own necks in a political noose

God save the King from internal revolt incited by these Bolshevist traitors

[suds]

On 9/29/2024 at 12:21 PM, I am Groot said:

By what definition? By a twisted definition that ignores the reality of the world that existed a hundred and fifty years ago. If you want to call trying to teach children to follow the customs, values, and cultures of their nation 'genocide' then every nation on earth is guilty of it. 

And when did this happen? 

I would say when the government amended the Indian Act that (in most cases) forced indigenous children to attend the residential schools. The reality was one of two cultures adverse in every possible respect where the dominant culture laid out plans for the total assimilation of the minority culture's children. And there's more to it than that. The government was warned repeatedly by senior Indian Affairs officials that the residential schools were not separating healthy children from those who contracted tuberculosis. And this supposedly went on for 40 years.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160827043602/http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/natives-died-in-droves-as-ottawa-ignored-warnings/article4309756/?page=all

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, suds said:

I would say when the government amended the Indian Act that (in most cases) forced indigenous children to attend the residential schools. The reality was one of two cultures adverse in every possible respect where the dominant culture laid out plans for the total assimilation of the minority culture's children. And there's more to it than that. The government was warned repeatedly by senior Indian Affairs officials that the residential schools were not separating healthy children from those who contracted tuberculosis. And this supposedly went on for 40 years.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160827043602/http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/natives-died-in-droves-as-ottawa-ignored-warnings/article4309756/?page=all

Dude that article is complete bullshit 

Native kids on reserves also died in droves.  Natives at the time were more than 3 times as likely to die from tuberculosis,  in fact to this very day they get it at about 40 times the rate of any other population group.  They are just very very susceptible to it. 

And the amount of time that the residential schools were actually mandatory and parents couldn't keep their children from it was extremely short. It was entirely voluntary to begin with and then for whatever reason truancy laws were passed involving all people not just natives. In fact many other immigrant groups complained that their children had to go to "Canadian" Schools.  

There's no genocide. It was believed that it was beneficial to these people to be able to speak English, read and write, and have a working understanding of what they considered to be in advanced culture. Genocide has the implied and explicit intent to end a culture or cultural group one way or another and that was never the intent.

If Canada had intended to wipe out the first nations or their culture they would have been able to do so fairly easily. There would have been no need for anything sneaky. The purpose of the residential schools were to make good on a commitment that had been made by the king and that was imposed on Canada as a result when it formed. The first nations had demanded access to education. This was how the government chose to address that.

The idea that it was some sinister plot hatched in some star chamber to slowly over hundreds of years assimilate the first nations is patently ridiculous.

 

Yeah that they died at any greater rate at these schools then they did in their own communities is absolutely false. Tuberculosis killed millions. It was an absolutely horrible and devastating thing in Canada. My mom used to speak about how they would come in and test people in her little village and there was no treatment until very recently other than keep the people outside and hope for the best.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, suds said:

I would say when the government amended the Indian Act that (in most cases) forced indigenous children to attend the residential schools

It didn't. It forced indigenous children to attend school. If there wasn't one available near the reserve the government would put them up in a residential school at no charge. But even at their height less than a third of native kids went there. 

1 hour ago, suds said:

. The reality was one of two cultures adverse in every possible respect where the dominant culture laid out plans for the total assimilation of the minority culture's children.

And what do you imagine regular schools were like for say Ukrainian immigrants? Do you think they were encouraged to speak their own language, maintain their old ways, or were they ordered to speak English at all times and behave like Canadians? What about the kids of Italian immigrants or Germans?

Or hey, let's go to the UK or US or France. Let's go to China or India or Japan. Do you think minorities were coddled or were they forced into the correct cultural mode of the majority? This was how the world worked for literally eons.

 

1 hour ago, suds said:

And there's more to it than that. The government was warned repeatedly by senior Indian Affairs officials that the residential schools were not separating healthy children from those who contracted tuberculosis. And this supposedly went on for 40 years.

The government was a threadbare thing back then. But do you know that it was similarly warned four years ago that residential senior homes weren't separating healthy seniors from those with Covid, right? But it went on right through the pandemic.

[suds]

19 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

And what do you imagine regular schools were like for say Ukrainian immigrants? Do you think they were encouraged to speak their own language, maintain their old ways, or were they ordered to speak English at all times and behave like Canadians? What about the kids of Italian immigrants or Germans?

Or hey, let's go to the UK or US or France. Let's go to China or India or Japan. Do you think minorities were coddled or were they forced into the correct cultural mode of the majority? This was how the world worked for literally eons.

 

 

Indigenous - born, growing, or produced naturally in a region or country, native

Immigrant - a person who immigrates, to come to a country or region to settle there

I see a difference. You don't see a difference? The natives had at least some autonomy while under the Crown, not so much while under the Canadian government. When immigrants decide to come to Canada they've made a choice.

Edited October 1, 2024 by suds

[suds]

20 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The government was a threadbare thing back then. But do you know that it was similarly warned four years ago that residential senior homes weren't separating healthy seniors from those with Covid, right? But it went on right through the pandemic.

So what is your point exactly? That governments have a habit of getting things wrong?

[Guest]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude that article is complete bullshit 

Your karma won't be. 

[suds]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude that article is complete bullshit 

Native kids on reserves also died in droves.  Natives at the time were more than 3 times as likely to die from tuberculosis,  in fact to this very day they get it at about 40 times the rate of any other population group.  They are just very very susceptible to it. 

And the amount of time that the residential schools were actually mandatory and parents couldn't keep their children from it was extremely short. It was entirely voluntary to begin with and then for whatever reason truancy laws were passed involving all people not just natives. In fact many other immigrant groups complained that their children had to go to "Canadian" Schools.  

There's no genocide. It was believed that it was beneficial to these people to be able to speak English, read and write, and have a working understanding of what they considered to be in advanced culture. Genocide has the implied and explicit intent to end a culture or cultural group one way or another and that was never the intent.

If Canada had intended to wipe out the first nations or their culture they would have been able to do so fairly easily. There would have been no need for anything sneaky. The purpose of the residential schools were to make good on a commitment that had been made by the king and that was imposed on Canada as a result when it formed. The first nations had demanded access to education. This was how the government chose to address that.

The idea that it was some sinister plot hatched in some star chamber to slowly over hundreds of years assimilate the first nations is patently ridiculous.

 

Yeah that they died at any greater rate at these schools then they did in their own communities is absolutely false. Tuberculosis killed millions. It was an absolutely horrible and devastating thing in Canada. My mom used to speak about how they would come in and test people in her little village and there was no treatment until very recently other than keep the people outside and hope for the best.

I thought we both agreed that it was a 'cultural genocide'? Is a hyphenated genocide not a genocide? The question is one of responsibility.

[myata]

And one more time, and again: the system that plays by insane, in this day and age rules cannot and will not stay sane. It will create itself phantoms and fetishes only because it can and has to be seen doing something. The way to deal with the insanity is to change it, update and renew.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Your karma won't be. 

Of course not, it'll be awesome    

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, suds said:

I thought we both agreed that it was a 'cultural genocide'?

I don't recall agreeing to that. I think i said it's something they claimed but i'm pretty sure i was disdainful of the term  

 Is a hyphenated genocide not a genocide?

Yes-No. 

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The question is one of responsibility.

Well i think in that case the issue is one of intent,  genocide requires intent.  But Responsibility is the question when it comes to how they're fairing today.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yes-No. 

So stupid. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So stupid. 

Well it's a little over your head.  You'd have to be grade two or higher  

You're starting to sound desperate again, chasing me around with those preschool insults.  I expect a higher level of entertainment from you  

[Guest]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Well it's a little over your head

Debate is over yours 🤡

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

Debate is over yours 🤡

Oh Noes!  Butthurt muffin is butthurt! 😂

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Oh Noes! 

You need conflict. Only way you can survive. Facts, are another story.