Trump's new claims would have been nothing short of apologizing Hitler's invasion that started WWII

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, myata said:

Putin, Kim, Iran those are the examples of modern totalitarian state-level fascism. They are all aggressive in their way, but Putin's is most obvious, in your face: observing no norms, rules or agreements. Nothing, not an inch short of Hitler's.

To play with it; to scratch its back; to promise it a bone; to help it when its tough can only be one of two things: the ultimate irresponsibility; a total and final degradation of moral standing, integrity and principles; anything, really anything for the chance to get to the chair. Or: a conscious and calculated intent to collaborate and cooperate with it.

Can you imaging the guy who danced and all but kissed with Kim leading the resistance of the free world to the Axis that is rising? Could Farage lead the charge against the new fascism in Europe? Ridiculous even to think, isn't it? They already gave in, in their own words even before the fight.

Which is worse? You tell. But they made it very clear: this is who they are. No way we couldn't have known.

Totalitarian yes, fascist no. Like many on the left you have no clue what fascist means. So you got it half right well done.

As to the rest you seem to feel that if you close your eyes and plug up your ears on the world stage that the bad guys will simply go away. That's not how the world works. It is in the interest of each country to have relations with countries that are potentially hostile. By creating economic ties and other incentives you can work to influence what they're doing. Russia is a prime example of that, the united states was able for a long time to exercise a significant amount of influence. China is another example.

You don't address the problems of the world by wishing them away. It would be irresponsible in the extreme not to attempt to have as many positive ties to potentially hostile nations in order to influence them as possible

Besides which, you're pretty hard on the left yourself so isn't totalitarianism kind of in your wheelhouse? You favor the idea of putting society ahead of individuals. You also favor speaking like an Illiterate doof for some reason. You favor a lot of things I don't really understand

[myata]

We can learn. A child learns that it's not great to touch red hot metal again. If he or she goes bathing again in a deep or even shallow water before learning to swim, they may drown. We learned that playing with brutal thugs, showing them weakness, throwing them a bone or two is wrong - always. They always come back for more. They will always want to take all.

No way we couldn't have known. The liars want us to forget, go on some wild dance, dropping the reason; memory; integrity; principles; the decency itself - all that we are, because it serves their purpose. Because only in the fog, mud where no one remembers, simple obvious things and lessons, can't think clearly, can they succeed.

But we knew. And so, there's no explanation. If we decide to forget the past, it will be our choice, as the responsibility for the consequences. And they will catch up with us, and quite possibly, generations to come. Because nobody promised that one can make this mistake twice, or again and again. No such promise - and we knew it.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) an authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

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[Nationalist]

The bottom line is thus:

A. Trump understands international politics and is not afraid to speak the truth. Unlike Libbies who understand the truth but will never speak it. The idea of deviating from the MSM narrative is just too scary for them.

B. These Libbies will blindly waltz right into war with Russia, in order to satisfy their hatred of Trump. They would rather watch millions die, than acknowledge the truth of events which Trump speaks of.

C. There is absolutely zero evidence that Russia plans to attack a NATO nation. These Libbies must use the fear of a historic nemesis, to justify a war they cannot win without getting directly involved. An impossibility for these blatant liars and cowards. They are satisfied to let Ukrainians die in wholesale fashion, and keep the war going not with their own lives...but with money.

[myata]

Lies cannot cover clear and obvious lessons of the past. One cannot play with aggressive, brutal fascism. The games will cost dearly; or they can cost all. If we choose to forget them, we will pay, quite possibly, the generations that follow. The liars will just squirm away as they always do. No way we couldn't have known.

[Deluge]

On 6/21/2024 at 11:34 AM, myata said:

In the podcast "All In":

"he (Biden) constantly said the wrong things and one of the wrong things he said was that Ukraine would join NATO.” Trump said, “When I heard him talking, I thought: this guy is going to start a war.”

The facts: the aggressor started this war. There are no, none, and cannot be any excuses for brutal and destructive aggression in Europe of this century.

Undermining NATO: every free European and Northern American nation has the birth right to join the defense alliance of democracies. He is weakening and undermining NATO right at the time the new Axis of tyrants is rising. NATO is the only thing that stands in the way of their claim to rewrite the rules of the world. Trump is playing right into their hands.

Saying that Ukraine in NATO would give Putin any justification for his brutal war is nothing short of claiming that Poland's defense pact with Great Britain was the cause of the WWII. In 1939 with the same words, he would have been apologizing for Hitler.

So: it will be the citizenship test: nothing short of, and nothing less. Everybody knows what it will be about and what's at stake. No one could claim ignorance about what the options were and what they meant. No such excuses. Not a chance.

 

 

 

 

Biden wants war. Trump will keep us out of them. 

52 minutes ago, myata said:

Lies cannot cover clear and obvious lessons of the past. One cannot play with aggressive, brutal fascism. The games will cost dearly; or they can cost all. If we choose to forget them, we will pay, quite possibly, the generations that follow. The liars will just squirm away as they always do. No way we couldn't have known.

Spoken like a true left-wing cultist. lol

Did you know that "brutal fascism" is being aimed at straight white American males, and to a lesser extent white people in general? 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Lies cannot cover clear and obvious lessons of the past. One cannot play with aggressive, brutal fascism. The games will cost dearly; or they can cost all. If we choose to forget them, we will pay, quite possibly, the generations that follow. The liars will just squirm away as they always do. No way we couldn't have known.

SO GO FIGHT!

No?

You are a scared little COWARD and a LYIN' FCKIN' HYPOCRITE!

Present real evidence that Putin has any designs on anything but the eastern region of Ukraine and that Ukraine remain neutral. No?

So you're also a fckin' id1iot too then, eh?

P1ss off you cowardly little pee-on.

[myata]

They cannot deny the facts and the history so they resort to hysterics. "Hitler doesn't have designs for anything" - the lie. The reality: Putin's ultimatum to NATO.

Yes he will come for more, the moment he sees a weakness or given a bone. You knew it: it's fat, red and bold in every book. There would be no excuses.

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

They cannot deny the facts and the history so they resort to hysterics. "Hitler doesn't have designs for anything" - the lie. The reality: Putin's ultimatum to NATO.

Yes he will come for more, the moment he sees a weakness or given a bone. You knew it: it's fat, red and bold in every book. There would be no excuses.

Ur a flake. Plain and simple.

[myata]

Nothing new there. There are lessons of history and they are very clear. Liars cannot change the facts and the history, no amount nor volume of hot lies. We can forget them only at a high - or the ultimate, cost. Of course, we knew.

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

Nothing new there. There are lessons of history and they are very clear. Liars cannot change the facts and the history, no amount nor volume of hot lies. We can forget them only at a high - or the ultimate, cost. Of course, we knew.

WHAT LIES? Go ahead Mushmouth. WHAT LIES?

History is what it is. That has no bearing on this situation. You have no proof. Just endless litany of fear-porn and baseless accusations.

NOW...prove that Putin has designs on conquering all of Europe...or STFU you little liar!

[myata]

They will keep pumping their lies regardless of the facts in plain sight for this chief reason: this is all they've got. No, there's nothing else, really: only a vacuum of plain hot lies. Of course, you knew.

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[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, myata said:

They will keep pumping their lies regardless of the facts in plain sight for this chief reason: this is all they've got. No, there's nothing else, really: only a vacuum of plain hot lies. Of course, you knew.

OK so you can't identify any lies. But I can identify yours.

You are nothing more than an annoying little sh1t who thinks he is some sort of sounding board for an impending doom that has no basis in fact...or even fiction.

In short...you're a fckin' id1ot.!

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, myata said:

We can learn.

We can. You can't.  You still can't speak english for example. 

 

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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) an authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Exactly.  Russia does not believe in a natural social hiearchy. Neither does iran. and China is supposed to be against a 'social hiearchy' entirely. 

Not fascism.  But I don't think it's any surprise to anyone that you don't know the meaning of the words you use.

[robosmith]

On 6/21/2024 at 1:30 PM, gatomontes99 said:

Can you read for comprehension? That wasn't an if/then statement. That was a this and that statement.

Joe supported "Ukraine’s right  including with respect to Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO." and "also remain committed to assisting Ukraine with ongoing reforms."

You're an lDIOT if you don't understand that says the reforms are NECESSARY for admission.

Aspirations that REQUIRE REFORM to achieve. Duh 

That is CONDITIONAL support for NATO admission, NOT CERTAIN.

[robosmith]

On 6/21/2024 at 2:07 PM, WestCanMan said:

Here's one of the best things about being intelligent... It helps you to predict things that are going to happen in the future. 

For example, you'd have to be really stupid to call Mike Tyson's GF a "n**** ho" and slap her arse. I think that almost everyone here is smart enough to guess what would happen. 

What's less obvious - to some - is what happens when the gov't puts trillions of new dollar bills into circulation. I'm not gonna spoil that one for you, I'll just leave you to guess. At any rate, having an intelligent leader means that they'll have enough foresight to know what will happen in that scenario, and also to avoid all the other costly mistakes that Biden and Trudeau have made.  

What's evident in Trump's speech is that he at understands why there's a war.

(If you look back on this forum, I predicted this war before Biden was inaugurated.)

Do you at least understand that the fact that you and Biden don't understand why there's a war makes it highly unlikely that Joey DOH is going to be able to help end it? 

You don't understand WHY there is a war. You don't even know about the huge gas reserves off the Southern coast of Ukraine that Putin COVETS.

Of course those are NOT the only resources Ukraine has that Putin wants to STEAL.

On 6/21/2024 at 2:08 PM, Nationalist said:

Yes you run right over there and do that. No?

Man you people are disgusting. You find it so easy to play with other's lives but not one of you have the balls to practice what you preach.

No one is ASKING for US soldiers to help fight THEIR WARS. Duh

[robosmith]

On 6/21/2024 at 2:31 PM, Nationalist said:

Yes well, you cowardly little sh1t...

You fail you own test.

Now go to Hell you fcking traitor!

You're an A-HOLE and US foreign policy is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS so STFU.

On 6/21/2024 at 2:41 PM, Nationalist said:

Sure it is...it's as big a joke as you are...you spineless coward.

Meanwhile the Russian military is utterly destroying Ukraine and killing all its men. 

You dweeby fcks are so good at sending anyone else to their deaths. But not one of you have the conviction of your words.

You'd encourage starting a direct war with Russia in Europe. Know that if you jack-asses get your way...

It'll be YOUR children who will be sent to fight and die. And if sh1t hits the fan...only then will any of you realize what id1ots you've all been.

Many MORE Russian men (300k) have died in Ukraine and they've destroyed 50% of Russia's military hardware. :applause:

[gatomontes99]

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Joe supported "Ukraine’s right  including with respect to Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO." and "also remain committed to assisting Ukraine with ongoing reforms."

You're an lDIOT if you don't understand that says the reforms are NECESSARY for admission.

Aspirations that REQUIRE REFORM to achieve. Duh 

That is CONDITIONAL support for NATO admission, NOT CERTAIN.

You have to read for comprehension. You are making arguments that have nothing to do with what I said.

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No one is ASKING for US soldiers to help fight THEIR WARS. Duh

Yet.

If and when it happens...I'll expect you to hide...or move to Canada.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, myata said:

We can learn. A child learns that it's not great to touch red hot metal again. If he or she goes bathing again in a deep or even shallow water before learning to swim, they may drown. We learned that playing with brutal thugs, showing them weakness, throwing them a bone or two is wrong - always. They always come back for more. They will always want to take all.

No way we couldn't have known. The liars want us to forget, go on some wild dance, dropping the reason; memory; integrity; principles; the decency itself - all that we are, because it serves their purpose. Because only in the fog, mud where no one remembers, simple obvious things and lessons, can't think clearly, can they succeed.

But we knew. And so, there's no explanation. If we decide to forget the past, it will be our choice, as the responsibility for the consequences. And they will catch up with us, and quite possibly, generations to come. Because nobody promised that one can make this mistake twice, or again and again. No such promise - and we knew it.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) an authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

All that leftists do is show weakness. "We're sorry for this. We're sorry for that. Our ancestors were the worst ever. Feel free to say whatever you want to my kids without my knowledge or consent. We will believe you are whatever you say you are. We believe everything we see on CNN. We believe everything that Biden and Trudeau say. We believe that the gov't should be all-powerful and control everything we say and do because we are weak and stupid. Bawk, bawk, bawk, BKAWK!, No, wait, Can I change my answer? BAAAAA. BAAAAA!"

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You don't understand WHY there is a war. You don't even know about the huge gas reserves off the Southern coast of Ukraine that Putin COVETS.

Of course those are NOT the only resources Ukraine has that Putin wants to STEAL.

You're a walking, talking billboard for "VOTE TRUMP!"

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Many MORE Russian men (300k) have died in Ukraine and they've destroyed 50% of Russia's military hardware. :applause:

🤣

[myata]

Just in case (unlikely) that someone has missed important factual points here:

- In the end of 2021 Putin set ultimatums not to Ukraine but to NATO. A fact.

- Earlier this year he was talking only about Ukraine, not even mentioning NATO.

- This is a clear, factual evidence that the remedy: standing up to fascist thugs works.

- Playing with them, petting them and giving in to them never worked. Not one example where getting cozy with a dictator thug brought peace and security.

- The lying bunch wants to get cozy with the thugs of kind of Putin and Kim. They said it and they are showing it so it's a fact as well. There can be no surprises.

You can see it and you can make your own rational decisions. The lying bunch only wants you to shut off you brain and forget all that you know.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Joe supported "Ukraine’s right  including with respect to Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO." 

While it's true that Ukraine has the right to have aspirations, and even the right to try, Russia reserves the right to react accordingly. 

Like a true leftard, you have no comprehension of the link between action and consequence, but trust me, it exists. 

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and "also remain committed to assisting Ukraine with ongoing reforms."

"We're gonna assist you with some "ongoing reforms" 😉 after you fire this meddling prosecutor for us, and get this corrupt oligarch off the hook, so that he can fill these wheelbarrows with cash for my family. In exchange for your invaluable help in enriching my family, the US gov't will sign off on $1B worth of loan guarantees for you. Thanks. It has been a PLEA$URE dealing with you." - Joe Biden 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Just in case (unlikely) that someone has missed important factual points here:

- In the end of 2021 Putin set ultimatums not to Ukraine but to NATO. A fact.

- Earlier this year he was talking only about Ukraine, not even mentioning NATO.

So, by your own unprompted admission, you are acknowledging that Ukraine's attempt to enter NATO is the cause of this war, not "power and greed" like your fellow muppets here were saying. Thanks, but I didn't need your help. I proved that a long time ago.  

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- This is a clear, factual evidence that the remedy: standing up to fascist thugs works:

Hopefully it works in the US. It's time for Biden to go. 

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're an A-HOLE and US foreign policy is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS so STFU.

Yes...according to my kids, I am indeed an a-hole. But it is definitely is my business and feel free to pop up here and shut me up any time you figure you can. I'll be here.

21 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Many MORE Russian men (300k) have died in Ukraine and they've destroyed 50% of Russia's military hardware. :applause:

According to Zelinsky's news releases.

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

According to Zelinsky's news releases.

That's the only "news" his confirmation bias will accept.

My favourite news report from Ukraine was when they said "There are 15,000 Russian soldiers dead, 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers dead, and 1,000 civilians dead: it's a genocide", and the muppets here quoted them, as if it somehow made sense.

If I could hack CNN I'd put "Wear your underwear on your head to prevent covid" just so that we could instantly identify those clowns in public.