Trump's new claims would have been nothing short of apologizing Hitler's invasion that started WWII

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

How many years did you serve in the U.S. military? 

I'm Canadian and I served in Canadian external affairs over seas for 7 years.

You?

[myata]

No way we couldn't know.

[gatomontes99]

42 minutes ago, Rebound said:

No. No. No.

It’s not “sarcastic” for the leader of the free world to tell the leader of Russia they can invade Western Europe.  Especially when he’s the same piece of shlt who told Russia he would reward them for releasing Hillary’s emails… and they did.  
 

You don’t get to break the law and then say you were joking. Russia invading MORE countries, which is a very real threat, is not a joke.

You are either delusional or wholly incapable of identifying sarcasm. Or both?

"CNN  —   Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country that doesn’t meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.  “NATO was busted until I came along,” Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. “I said, ‘Everybody’s gonna pay.’ They said, ‘Well, if we don’t pay, are you still going to protect us?’ I said, ‘Absolutely not.’ They couldn’t believe the answer.”

 Trump said “one of the presidents of a big country” at one point asked him whether the US would still defend the country if they were invaded by Russia even if they “don’t pay.”  “No, I would not protect you,” Trump recalled telling that president. “In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills.” "

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html

Weird how you claim he told Russia they could invade when he was telling member states or they get no protection. But you have to twist things to meet that delusional belief that is liberalism. Don't you?

It was sarcasm when he told Russia to let Hillary's emails out. That was in response to her poorly secured email server and the report that it was likely that Russia (or other foreign actor) had hacked it. And the emails we have seen came from the fbi investigation.

FBI releases documents from Hillary Clinton email investigation - CBS

You might be thinking about the DNC leak. But that was proven to have been downloaded at a terminal.

A new report states categorically that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) was not hacked by Russians–or anyone else–as frequently alleged by the mainstream media, liberal intelligentsia and anti-Trump politicians.

Russia Russia Russia is code for Democrat Democrat Democrat.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

No. No. No.

It’s not “sarcastic” for the leader of the free world to tell the leader of Russia they can invade Western Europe.  Especially when he’s the same piece of shlt who told Russia he would reward them for releasing Hillary’s emails… and they did.  
 

You don’t get to break the law and then say you were joking. Russia invading MORE countries, which is a very real threat, is not a joke.

So let me get this straight now stupid:

1. Who gave Putin permission to take over Crimea when Obama was president? Was it the guy from "The Apprentice" TV series? 
2. Who gave Putin permission to take over the southeast corner of Ukraine when Biden was president? Did and ex-president somehow do that?

Sorry, but it just needs to be said: you're a huge id10t. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sure it is...it's as big a joke as you are...you spineless coward.

Meanwhile the Russian military is utterly destroying Ukraine and killing all its men. 

You dweeby fcks are so good at sending anyone else to their deaths. But not one of you have the conviction of your words.

You'd encourage starting a direct war with Russia in Europe. Know that if you jack-asses get your way...

It'll be YOUR children who will be sent to fight and die. And if sh1t hits the fan...only then will any of you realize what id1ots you've all been.

This post is about as stupid as it gets. No one in either of our countries has any ability to send Ukrainians to their death. 

But if a free people are going to fight for their freedom against a conquering tyrant, we can aid them by providing the equipment they need. 

It's you appeasing, capitulating cowards who would turn your backs on democratic allies begging for help, sacrificing their hope and liberty for another chance to kiss Putin's ass. You're not just on the wrong side of history, Mr. Chamberlain, you're on the wrong side of decency.

[myata]

These are apologists, possibly, tacit admirers of the same kind of brutal, aggressive fascism that our ancestors defeated at a highest cost. Apologists: fact, published and sealed. In their own words. Admirers: yes, there are signs.

Our ancestors made their choices and we will be making ours. Yes we can try different ones. We can try to peak into that other future, where fascists won. There's no promise and no guarantees against that, it's all in our minds and hands. No way we didn't know. Not a chance.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'm Canadian and I served in Canadian external affairs over seas for 7 years.

You?

So you didn’t serve in the military.  Got it. 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Who gave Putin permission

So self inflated with brainwashed patriotism they actually think the US President gives "permission" to other countries. Goes along with 'letting Americans" have their freedom.

Oh Great Benevolence may we?

And they think that's democracy.

 

[myata]

The last century our ancestors knew what brutal, aggressive fascism is and they put a stop to it at an enormous price. Their sacrifice bought us a few decades of relative peace and prosperity - not forever and no such guarantees exist. Can we make a different choice, and try a different path? Of course: it is in our hands. Is there any guarantee or promise that there will be a happy end, a miraculous salvation as in a movies we like? Not a chance. Sure, we knew.

From apologizing brutal, aggressive, fully Hitleresque incarnation of our day fascism; justifying it and helping it when it needs it most how far it is to losing all will and resolve to stand to it, when it comes to us? Not far at all. On what ground: moral, principled, integrity? could this folk stand to fascism rather than making all kinds of stinky deals with it, until they are consumed by it in entirety, and nothing of integrity, principle and freedom remains?

We can think about that now. Now, we have the time. Only the citizen's test.

[CdnFox]

16 hours ago, Rebound said:

So you didn’t serve in the military.  Got it. 

He served in a position directly connected with the military and military deployment and you have no such service. 

Got it? 

[myata]

No, we cannot pretend that it'll be just another election about some face in some chair. No, no: what face? What is it saying and what it is? We cannot pretend we didn't hear and didn't know.

This is about our principles; our integrity; our moral ground and our freedom: all that defines us, or we thought so. Yes we are free to make any choice. But if we choose to prop those who want and seek, eagerly to get in the bed with the fascists of our time - Vlads, Kims no exaggeration, the worst of the brutal and aggressive kind it will define us, who we are from now and on.

No, nothing was promised forever don't even dream: the choice has to be made over and again, by each generation. And if we decide, and choose to change our nature there's no way it wouldn't catch up with us. Plain and simple. The citizen's test.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, myata said:

No, we cannot pretend that it'll be just another election about some face in some chair. No, no: what face? What is it saying and what it is? We cannot pretend we didn't hear and didn't know.

We can't pretend you speak English. Honestly you could write for by the speeches

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, herbie said:

So self inflated with brainwashed patriotism they actually think the US President gives "permission" to other countries. Goes along with 'letting Americans" have their freedom.

Whoooooa, are you breaking ranks with rebound? 

Which one of you is spewing the official DNC narrative and which one of you is the heretic? 

[myata]

Dead brains cannot understand what this is about and won't even try to. Their dead harmonics are known all too well: "Adore him! Worship! Anathema!!! Bum bum bum". Like they need any invitation.

But any citizen who understands the reason and responsibility cannot pretend that this is business as usual. Nothing is usual about condoning and helping brutal and aggressive fascism of our time. Not a chance we couldn't see it or wouldn't have known.

[herbie]

Under which mental malfunction do you conclude I am breaking ranks with anyone? By not supporting a goddam criminal, the #1 Enemy of Canada for President? Rebound doesn't either.
It's the scum who'd look away from that, who spout democracy from their mouths while supporting fascist ideals. Who think their ruler "lets" and "allows" things and claims one who actually demands such power is their saviour.

Get back up that sphincter and watch out for the KFC chicken bones.

 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, myata said:

Dead brains cannot understand what this is about and won't even try to.

And still haven't learned to speak English yet either apparently. Oh those crazy dead brains  

 

[myata]

Totalitarians are also testing you: are you ready to embrace them? They can say anything: Hitler was a only a poor misunderstood child. He was "provoked", you see. Yes you can live with fascism; you can find understanding and peace with it, if only you let them in... then give yourself, all of yourself to them. This is by the way exactly how it happened the last time. Will you cry and shout mindlessly "Worship Him! Anathema!!"? Or shrug another heinous crime perpetrated by fascists, another innocent victim, another aggression as some stock market report?

You can see: they have nothing else; not a glimpse of intelligent thought. Nothing of integrity, honesty or decency. Empty of it as the interstellar void. And they want you to become just like them. Then they can have you - even forever, and why not?

There are things that we cannot allow to say; we should never agree to, for any reason. Our ancestors knew. Now, our turn. No way we couldn't know. The citizen's test.

[gatomontes99]

13 hours ago, myata said:

Dead brains cannot understand what this is about and won't even try to. Their dead harmonics are known all too well: "Adore him! Worship! Anathema!!! Bum bum bum". Like they need any invitation.

But any citizen who understands the reason and responsibility cannot pretend that this is business as usual. Nothing is usual about condoning and helping brutal and aggressive fascism of our time. Not a chance we couldn't see it or wouldn't have known.

Do you even have any concept that you are demonizing those that disagree with you to avoid confronting the legitimacy of their opinions?

[myata]

"Demonizing": in their own words? Right. There's nothing wrong with brutal, aggressive fascism because "it was provoked"?

This, from now is a totalitarian cult. There no more principles, lines of integrity or morality itself for it, if and as long as it leads them to the power. Apologizing fascism: as clear, in our face as it gets is the final proof. It is there, it is clear and there's no avoiding it. We have a free choice but if we choose to accept and live with totalitarianism we know the future that will follow. There cannot be any mistakes. No way we couldn't have known.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, myata said:

"Demonizing": in their own words? Right. There's nothing wrong with brutal, aggressive fascism because "it was provoked"?

This, from now is a totalitarian cult. There no more principles, lines of integrity or morality itself for it, if and as long as it leads them to the power. Apologizing fascism: as clear, in our face as it gets is the final proof. It is there, it is clear and there's no avoiding it. We have a free choice but if we choose to accept and live with totalitarianism we know the future that will follow. There cannot be any mistakes. No way we couldn't have known.

You could have just said no.

[gatomontes99]

To be clear, this thread is based on Myata's interpretation of a statement and not the actual intent of the statement. That interpretation was colored by expectation bias that is derived from the narrative that DJT (and his supporters) are the most evil of all evil people. "Hitler, mover over! There is a new monster in town and thy name is Trump!"

The irony to all of this is that Trump is the product of Myata (and those like Myata) attacking, berating and belittling anyone that disagrees with them. Trump ascended to power because the right wanted a champion that would fight back against the Ceasars on the left. They wanted someone that would point out the racism in the people exclaiming racism. They wanted someone to strike back when attacked. And they found him.

Myata, you hate Trump. We get that. But you only have yourself to blame. Had you been more civil and debated in earnest, Trump would still be in his NY apartment, buying real estate and proclaiming "You're fired" on NBC.

Edited June 23 by gatomontes99

[Nationalist]

All this talk of fascists...yet...who's ignoring the SCOTUS? Who wants to pack the SCOTUS? Who's putting old ladies and men in jail? Who's censoring free speech?

And who is it that lies constantly to the public?

That's right...the Libbie hoard.

[myata]

Everyone can see it for themselves: no need to give away our intelligence; integrity and the conscience. No need to add anything to what they are saying themselves. Just see it for what it means and what it is, and understand it. No way we couldn't have known.

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, myata said:

Totalitarians are also testing you:

Which is more than we could say for your english teacher apparently. 

[myata]

Putin, Kim, Iran those are the examples of modern totalitarian state-level fascism. They are all aggressive in their way, but Putin's is most obvious, in your face: observing no norms, rules or agreements. Nothing, not an inch short of Hitler's.

To play with it; to scratch its back; to promise it a bone; to help it when its tough can only be one of two things: the ultimate irresponsibility; a total and final degradation of moral standing, integrity and principles; anything, really anything for the chance to get to the chair. Or: a conscious and calculated intent to collaborate and cooperate with it.

Can you imaging the guy who danced and all but kissed with Kim leading the resistance of the free world to the Axis that is rising? Could Farage lead the charge against the new fascism in Europe? Ridiculous even to think, isn't it? They already gave in, in their own words even before the fight.

Which is worse? You tell. But they made it very clear: this is who they are. No way we couldn't have known.