How do we keep Social Conservatism (Fascism) out of Canada?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

Hos may times do you need to be reminded it's not 1953 any more? Denmark and Norway are socialism, Communism died over 30 years ago. You and the MAGA m0r0ns can wake up and smell the coffee any day now.

Denmark and Norway are moving closer towards I'm more open Capital Market and away from socialism. Works in the short term but not in the long term as it turns out

[herbie]

[CdnFox]

Just now, herbie said:

Yes we know Herbie. You and your hatred-based echo chamber would like to see people that you disagree with die. It's very common amongst you lefty types to have homicidal tendencies towards anybody that doesn't fit your narrative.

You are, after all, the least inclusive group that there is out there. Your bigotry and hatred is exemplified by that cartoon nicely.

Thanks for spelling it out though.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, PIK said:

Nobody comes out early with their main ideas. 

He said he was going to get rid of the CBC early in the game, probably to cement the support of the MSM conspiracy freaks that flocked to him first. I've got $10 however that says the liberals abandoning the Liberals for the Conservatives will probably cause that particular promise to be pushed to a back burner from here on in.

The right wing will always be more of a direction for the sort of hard-boiled folks who believe PP is most like them - I believe that too but I don't think PP is so stupid as to keep following his base around forever.

[Army Guy]

39 minutes ago, jatt47 said:

I get what you mean institutionally, but clubbing Sikhs in with the incompetents just divides them from white men.. 

If we sat down over a beer I think you'd get it. 

I don't want a hand up I know with the Guru's blessing I'm good at war. 

advantages...now if you were a women Sikh/ black/ indigenous at the same time, that plays broomball, and curling and a lesbian with a disability,one eye, that can shit over a 6 ft fence on a windy day, you'd already be in boot camp

 

How about someone of Indo European ancestry who hears the name of God on a machine gun burst 

 

ਅਕਾਲ 

I'm sorry but thats who they are giving priority to, If you are a canadian resident, fit both physically and mentally. you will fully qualify...as you are from a racial background you should be able to place fairly easily...it has nothing to do with what race you are , just that you are not white it gives you a couple extra points on the acceptance form... 

You don't want to sound to eager, they are not looking for RAMBO, they are looking for someone with good mental health and good physical being to mold ...trust me anyone can make today's standards...my pet gopher is a Canadian commando...judged by today's standards... Now things will change once your out of basic...

You get to a combat unit, and your 300 lbs your in for some hurt a lot of hurt....they don't care if you passed basic or what color/ religion you are ....their lives depend on your ability to shoot move and communicate......and they will ride your ass every minute your alive until you can maintain BN pt every day and meet the BN standards...which is normally 8 to 10 kms run ( not Jog) or heavy ruck march, with a poop load of push ups, pull ups,etc etc thrown in...sometimes twice a day depending if the OC of the company is having a good day...your going to sweat and a lot...some days this will happen twice in one day...

During training as an infanteer you'll hear god a lot...that will be your Sgt or other SNR NCO, yelling in your face to get moving...your to slow..sometimes you don't hear god, until he kicks your ass...trust me you'll talk to some god of your choosing asking them to make the pain stop, let you go just one more KM......and if god likes you you'll get to wear a regimental cap badge that tells the world you belong here and tells the other pogs not to screw with you...POGS is everyone that is not an infanteer...everyone else is a wanna be...

[Army Guy]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

He said he was going to get rid of the CBC early in the game, probably to cement the support of the MSM conspiracy freaks that flocked to him first. I've got $10 however that says the liberals abandoning the Liberals for the Conservatives will probably cause that particular promise to be pushed to a back burner from here on in.

The right wing will always be more of a direction for the sort of hard-boiled folks who believe PP is most like them - I believe that too but I don't think PP is so stupid as to keep following his base around forever.

Have you watched those committees with the CBC heads in them, bragging about letting people to go so they could afford to keep their bonus...It might not be the first thing to go but it is going...once in office he can pi$$ off who ever he wants for 4 years besides Canadians have a short memory that much we learned off the liberals'...if he is going to fix some things he is going to break some eggs that much is sure...

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

...if he is going to fix some things he is going to break some eggs that much is sure...

If he starts breaking eggs it'll be to distract people from the fact that things probably can't be fixed. Patched up a little here and there is about as it good as it'll likely get.

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Have you watched those committees with the CBC heads in them, bragging about letting people to go so they could afford to keep their bonus...

No. I doubt anyone's heard CBC officials bragging about letting people to go so they could afford to keep their bonus...

I can see a hard-boiled right wing MSM conspiracy freak imagining this but that's about it.

Seriously, this is a word for word brag you watched on CPAC or something?

 

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

He said he was going to get rid of the CBC early in the game, probably to cement the support of the MSM conspiracy freaks that flocked to him first. I've got $10 however that says the liberals abandoning the Liberals for the Conservatives will probably cause that particular promise to be pushed to a back burner from here on in.

The right wing will always be more of a direction for the sort of hard-boiled folks who believe PP is most like them - I believe that too but I don't think PP is so stupid as to keep following his base around forever.

He's said he'll reduce immigration to sustainable levels and clear 'gatekeepers' too. 
Those are all broad stroke policy concepts. 

For the explicit details and the full list, you'll have to wait till the election as @PIK has said. 

You know this. Why must you be like this?

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If he starts breaking eggs it'll be to distract people from the fact that things probably can't be fixed.

 

Things  can be fixed.  I know that the last thing you want to see as a supporter of the left is for a right wing gov't to fix anything.  

But it's not hard.  It will take time but how to get there isn't difficult if you're following logic reason and fact rather than just being woke. 

Reduce immigration to sustainable levels. Increase housing builds one way or another. cut unnecessary spending (no more arrivecans) while maintaining core services at strong levels. Get rid of useless legislation and 'misinformation ' laws which are just designed to let liberals control misinformation. Create a positive business environment and tax structure to attract business investment back. Get rid of virtue taxes like the carbon tax.  Pass power back to the provinces and respect their jurisdiction. Keep criminals in jail. 

Oh and make MP's wear body cams.  (you were looking a little gloomy there- figure'd i'd throw you a bone ) 

You aren't going to do it in a year - but it's clear what has to be done. Prioritize and do as much as possible in the first few years and then earn a second term to do the next batch, and if things are still improving and life is good you can probably get a third term to put some polish  on it. 

[jatt47]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I'm sorry but thats who they are giving priority to, If you are a canadian resident, fit both physically and mentally. you will fully qualify...as you are from a racial background you should be able to place fairly easily...it has nothing to do with what race you are , just that you are not white it gives you a couple extra points on the acceptance form... 

You don't want to sound to eager, they are not looking for RAMBO, they are looking for someone with good mental health and good physical being to mold ...trust me anyone can make today's standards...my pet gopher is a Canadian commando...judged by today's standards... Now things will change once your out of basic...

You get to a combat unit, and your 300 lbs your in for some hurt a lot of hurt....they don't care if you passed basic or what color/ religion you are ....their lives depend on your ability to shoot move and communicate......and they will ride your ass every minute your alive until you can maintain BN pt every day and meet the BN standards...which is normally 8 to 10 kms run ( not Jog) or heavy ruck march, with a poop load of push ups, pull ups,etc etc thrown in...sometimes twice a day depending if the OC of the company is having a good day...your going to sweat and a lot...some days this will happen twice in one day...

During training as an infanteer you'll hear god a lot...that will be your Sgt or other SNR NCO, yelling in your face to get moving...your to slow..sometimes you don't hear god, until he kicks your ass...trust me you'll talk to some god of your choosing asking them to make the pain stop, let you go just one more KM......and if god likes you you'll get to wear a regimental cap badge that tells the world you belong here and tells the other pogs not to screw with you...POGS is everyone that is not an infanteer...everyone else is a wanna be...

I know, I've been around the rodeo. 

Recruiting hates the Kirpan. 

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

You get to a combat unit, and your 300 lbs your in for some hurt a lot of hurt....they don't care if you passed basic or what color/ religion you are ....their lives depend on your ability to shoot move and communicate......and they will ride your ass every minute your alive until you can maintain BN pt every day and meet the BN standards...which is normally 8 to 10 kms run ( not Jog) or heavy ruck march, with a poop load of push ups, pull ups,etc etc thrown in...sometimes twice a day depending if the OC of the company is having a good day...your going to sweat and a lot...some days this will happen twice in one day...

During training as an infanteer you'll hear god a lot...that will be your Sgt or other SNR NCO, yelling in your face to get moving...your to slow..sometimes you don't hear god, until he kicks your ass...trust me you'll talk to some god of your choosing asking them to make the pain stop, let you go just one more KM......and if god likes you you'll get to wear a regimental cap badge that tells the world you belong here and tells the other pogs not to screw with you...POGS is everyone that is not an infanteer...everyone else is a wanna be...

that is not sustainable under the standards of Woke Canadian society now

the Canadian Military Journal  itself is railing against the warrior ethos of the military as being "White Supremacist"

it's just a matter of time before they come for the Regular Force Infantry regiments next

[Dougie93]

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

  I don’t know how this gets resolved either. 

what you are actually seeing is that most churches in Canada are going Woke

you drive past a church these days, Catholic or Protestant,

and you will likely see them flying the Rainbow flag with a sign out saying "Happy Pride Month"

mind you, I can't find any passages in the New Testament

wherein the Nazarene Himself speaks about it

it is only Paul who speaks about it

and Saul of Tarsus of course was never with Jesus, never met Him, never spoke to Him

thus I can see how a Christian revival could be theologically in favour of homosexuality

since Christ Himself never actually condemned it

furthermore, as i say, Jesus was not a social conservative

quite the opposite in fact,

since the He was preaching a radical overthrow of the social conventions of Judaism

thus the resolution seems to be that churches will simply adopt the ideology of the Progressives

as a Protestant, I can't even conjure a theological reason to oppose it

since there is no such thing as the Church of Protestantism to command me in either direction

Edited July 6, 2024 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

...since Christ Himself never actually condemned it

When in question, go to the foundational axiom of Christianity - the golden rule.  I'll say that it's the greatest piece of philosophy to bridge the subjective and objective view of civil behaviour, and the guiding light that allowed religion and politics to compete in Europe and the British idles and foster prosperity.

[Zeitgeist]

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

what you are actually seeing is that most churches in Canada are going Woke

you drive past a church these days, Catholic or Protestant,

and you will likely see them flying the Rainbow flag with a sign out saying "Happy Pride Month"

mind you, I can't find any passages in the New Testament

wherein the Nazarene Himself speaks about it

it is only Paul who speaks about it

and Saul of Tarsus of course was never with Jesus, never met Him, never spoke to Him

thus I can see how a Christian revival could be theologically in favour of homosexuality

since Christ Himself never actually condemned it

Well Paul’s letters are significant scripture.  The Old Testament refers to Sodom and Gomorrah.  We hear about the orgies and excesses of failed civilizations and how it played out for the Israelites when they stopped following the Covenant.  I would be careful because the Bible says quite a bit on this topic, and it’s clearly against homosexuality:

Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

When in question, go to the foundational axiom of Christianity - the golden rule.  I'll say that it's the greatest piece of philosophy to bridge the subjective and objective view of civil behaviour, and the guiding light that allowed religion and politics to compete in Europe and the British idles and foster prosperity.

well I see the light

but it does not speak to me in any particular way as to homosexuality

there is no voice, there are no instructions

I would suggest that the Rainbow Flag has become state-corporate Pinkwashing lunacy

but that doesn't make me condemn Gay Christians therein

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well Paul’s letters are significant scripture.  The Old Testament refers to Sodom and Gomorrah.  We hear about the orgies and excesses of failed civilizations and how it played out for the Israelites when they stopped following the Covenant.  I would be careful because the Bible says quite a bit on this topic, and it’s clearly against homosexuality:

Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

but again, Christian churches in British realms outside of America have abandoned all that

you asked what the resolution would be, thus I am suggesting that as how they are resolving it

I'm not one for attending a Woke Rainbow church,

but you are at this point hard pressed to even find a Church in Canada which has not gone Woke Progressive

[Zeitgeist]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well I see the light

but it does not speak to me in any particular way as to homosexuality

there is no voice, there are no instructions

I would suggest that the Rainbow Flag has become state-corporate Pinkwashing lunacy

but that doesn't make me condemn Gay Christians therein

The guidance is not to judge the person but to try to adhere to moral teachings and seek forgiveness when one falls short, to “sin no more.”   I think the difficulty is that there doesn’t seem to be much regard for Biblical morality, only legal morality, and Pope Francis’s message of mercy can feel like a pass for whatever one can legally get away with.  I think the challenge for Christians, Jews, and Muslims, though I can see it in other faiths perhaps too, is trying to maintain religious morality in the face of secular pressures, especially as recently-enshrined human rights can actually tear away at longstanding religious rights and even women’s and parental rights.   It would be facile and reckless to simply say, well too bad, submit to gender ideology and the new rainbow symbolism, which seems to shift annually.  Most people can’t even explain its meaning.

Edited July 6, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  The Old Testament refers to Sodom and Gomorrah.  We hear about the orgies and excesses of failed civilizations and how it played out for the Israelites when they stopped following the Covenant.  I would be careful because the Bible says quite a bit on this topic, and it’s clearly against homosexuality:

but the Old Testament is Judaism

these are the people whom demanded that the Romans crucify the Nazarene

because He was overthrowing their social conventions

Edited July 6, 2024 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

The guidance is not to judge the person but to try to adhere to moral teachings and seek forgiveness when one falls short, to “sin no more.”   I think the difficulty is that there doesn’t seem to be much regard for Biblical morality, only legal morality, and Pope Francis’s message of mercy can feel like a pass for whatever one can legally get away with.  I think the challenge for Christians, Jews, and Muslims, though I can see it in other faiths perhaps too, is trying to maintain religious morality in the face of secular pressures, especially as recently-enshrined human rights can actually tear away at longstanding religious rights and even women’s and parental rights.   It would be facile and reckless to simply say, well too bad, submit to gender ideology and the new rainbow symbolism, which seems to shift annually.  Most people can’t even explain it’s meaning.

I don't submit to the Pope in Rome

so I don't see why I would submit to gender ideology neither

but at this point Canada is completely converted to this ideology as a de facto state religion

thus, other being a recluse,  there's not much I can do about it

nor do I wish to waste anymore of my time left here in this world, trying to save Canada from itself

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but the Old Testament is Judaism

these are the people whom demanded that the Romans crucify the Nazarene

because He was overthrowing their social conventions

Be careful there: Some Jews supported Jesus’s crucifixion.  Jesus was Jewish, as were many of the first Christians.  Also, the Romans flipped the switch of approving the crucifixion, as they were in charge of Judea.  Many of the first Christians were also Roman. Some Canadians are Christian; some are not.  We have to be careful not to generalize to entire peoples.  Moral choices are made by individuals.  

Edited July 6, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Be careful there: Some Jews supported Jesus’s crucifixion.  Jesus was Jewish, as were many of the first Christians.  Also, the Romans flipped the switch of approving the crucifixion, as they were in charge of Judea.  Many of the first Christians were also Roman. Some Canadians are Christian; some are not.  We have to be careful not to generalize to entire peoples.  Moral choices are made by individuals.  

Jews do not really embrace Jesus as being a Jew

technically yes, but theologically no

if you go to Israel, you will find that the Nazarene is almost never mentioned

it's not their religion, they don't believe in Christ

yes, that is a generalization

but when you are talking about 99% of a population, then generalization is logically cogent

Edited July 6, 2024 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Moral choices are made by individuals.  

why should I as an individual make a moral choice against homosexuality ?

as I say, the Nazarene Himself never spoke about it

He has never directed me in either way on the subject

furthermore, He risked His life to defend prostitutes whom slept with Romans under pain of execution by stoning

so why would He suddenly round on the homosexuals with any particular wrath ?

Edited July 6, 2024 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

50 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well I see the light

but it does not speak to me in any particular way as to homosexuality

there is no voice, there are no instructions

I would suggest that the Rainbow Flag has become state-corporate Pinkwashing lunacy

but that doesn't make me condemn Gay Christians therein

The voice tells you to better yourself, to create a sound personal philosophy of responsibility and positivity.

[Dougie93]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The voice tells you to better yourself, to create a sound personal philosophy of responsibility and positivity.

there's no voice

If I heard a voice, I would suspect that was Satan not Jesus

I mean, if you start hearing voices in your head, that's not religion, that's madness

in terms of responsibility and positivity ?

I don't believe salvation is by acts

in that, you can be irresponsible and negative, and still be saved ; Christ died for those sins

thus is the whole ethos of Christianity : Jesus is the sinner's friend

Edited July 6, 2024 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

there's no voice

If I heard a voice, I would suspect that was Satan not Jesus

I mean, if you start hearing voices in your head, that's not religion, that's madness

in terms of responsibility and positivity ?

I don't believe salvation is by acts

in that, you can be irresponsible and negative, and still be saved ; Christ died for those sins

It's the voice of the first and most venerable self help expert.  Let go of the ego and listen.  If you are able to submit yourself to a monarch, a person who is not a god, you should be able to submit to a framework of behavior. And this one is the best.