Trudeau's immigration minister Marc Miller announces that he is quintupling the number of refugees Canada is taking from Gaza from 1,000 to 5,000.

[herbie]

This forum is simply infested with bigots. Didn't see anyone of them objecting to taking Ukranian refugees.
But Syrians, Afghans, Palestinains... oh that's another story. Objecting to their race and religion? Oh no we're not disgusting racists.
Don't even give as damn most of the ones from Gaza are or have relatives already in Canada.

[Legato]

55 minutes ago, herbie said:

This forum is simply infested with bigots. Didn't see anyone of them objecting to taking Ukranian refugees.
But Syrians, Afghans, Palestinains... oh that's another story. Objecting to their race and religion? Oh no we're not disgusting racists.
Don't even give as damn most of the ones from Gaza are or have relatives already in Canada.

Re you ready and willing to any of them in?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

This forum is simply infested with bigots.

Yeah - but we've decided to tolerate you so....  but please keep your bigoting to a minimum

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Didn't see anyone of them objecting to taking Ukranian refugees.

Didn't see any ukrainian refugees shooting up schools, taking over universities, threatening our politicians or generally behaving like butt holes. 

See how that works?  

Edited June 1, 2024 by CdnFox

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

This forum is simply infested with bigots. Didn't see anyone of them objecting to taking Ukranian refugees.
But Syrians, Afghans, Palestinains... oh that's another story. Objecting to their race and religion? Oh no we're not disgusting racists.
Don't even give as damn most of the ones from Gaza are or have relatives already in Canada.

Three quarters of the murderers in my city are Muslims. I think we can do without any more.

If you want to bring over Lebanese Christians, though, I'm okay with that. Or ones from Egypt or other Muslim countries who are being persecuted.

[herbie]

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6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Three quarters of the murderers in my city are Muslims.

How's the weather in Kabul these days?

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

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How's the weather in Kabul these days?

Ottawa

[NAME REMOVED]

On 5/31/2024 at 8:15 PM, herbie said:

This forum is simply infested with bigots. Didn't see anyone of them objecting to taking Ukranian refugees.
But Syrians, Afghans, Palestinains... oh that's another story. Objecting to their race and religion? Oh no we're not disgusting racists.
Don't even give as damn most of the ones from Gaza are or have relatives already in Canada.

It's obvious as to why Ukrainians are more accepted in Canada than Palestinians. Ukrainians don't harass Russian-Canadians or go around demonstrating or bringing their homeland problems to Canada. Ukrainians are very hard workers, and their culture is more compatible to Canada than that of Arab countries.  The way Palestinians and their supporters have conducted themselves, especially with the harassment and intimidation of Jews, I am all for deporting most of them from here. 

This has nothing to do with racism. Shame on you for bring this up. The truth is you are the bigot. 

[NAME REMOVED]

On 5/31/2024 at 9:49 PM, CdnFox said:

Yeah - but we've decided to tolerate you so....  but please keep your bigoting to a minimum

Didn't see any ukrainian refugees shooting up schools, taking over universities, threatening our politicians or generally behaving like butt holes. 

See how that works?  

You are correct. ask anyone on the street whether they want Ukrainian or Palestinian immigrants,and 99% will say they prefer Ukrainians. I guess 99% of Canada are bigots, according to herbie.

[Venandi]

On 5/31/2024 at 10:15 PM, herbie said:

This forum is simply infested with bigots. 

Cheap labels tend be the hardest to remove, I always have to cut the damn things off apples.

Do you find it odd that Arab / Islamic states, especially those with monarchies don't accept Palestinian refugees? By your own assessment, wouldn't that qualify them as the worst possible example of bigotry or is there another possible reason for their reluctance?  

As a personal observation, I would suggest that it's difficult to get immigrants or even expats to leave behind the grudges, opinions, prejudices, customs, traditions (etc) of their homeland.

More militant populations (and that's not a commentary on the legitimacy of the cause)  tend to be... well, more militant.

For good or ill, the customs of the homeland tend to be followed in the new country, especially when the immigrant populations are (what I call) stored vertically in segregated neighbourhoods without the support needed to successfully integrate. That's starting to ring a few bells in Europe now... took long enough eh?

 Not surprising IMO, simply a function of human nature. At the lowest end of that observation I can tell you that most Canadien expats in Islamic countries continue to celebrate Christmas. 

Off topic (a bit) but here's a specific for instance, single mothers that came to Canada from Somalia had less status in their home country than their own teenage sons. I'm not suggesting that's good or bad, only that it is what it is, some call it reality. As a group, they also tended to mistrust the government and security forces (with good reason IMO).

They needed extra support in Canada and never got it. In fact, the support they needed is being begged for in the article below... and here's the thing, anyone who cautioned that they would need that support (by virtue of a brief vacation in their country) were routinely branded as racist bigots and xenophobes. Is it any wonder that these young women lost control over their sons? What did you think was going to happen?

Is it a surprise that Somalian street gangs are an issue in some locations now (here and in the US)? Are you surprised that young Somali men are dying or that their families and the communities they live in are distraught over it?

 It may be Old news now (from 2012 actually) but here's a link to the first story that popped up when a I did a search to refresh my recollection.

 https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/toronto-somali-community-s-cry-our-kids-are-dying/article_1c316e46-c996-5adc-a73a-95f584acb1a9.html

IMO, it's the ridiculers and the name callers who own this, and that's largely because of their own narrative, lack of sensitivity to the needs of the refugees they seek to admit, and there unwillingness to pay for doing it right.  

Wouldn't you think that the people doing the name calling would be leading the charge to do it right and not the evil, Christian, right wing Trumper bigots? 

It's almost enough to put me off apples.

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Edited June 2, 2024 by Venandi

[ironstone]

On 5/31/2024 at 9:15 PM, herbie said:

This forum is simply infested with bigots. Didn't see anyone of them objecting to taking Ukranian refugees.
But Syrians, Afghans, Palestinains... oh that's another story. Objecting to their race and religion? Oh no we're not disgusting racists.
Don't even give as damn most of the ones from Gaza are or have relatives already in Canada.

By your standards,  you must think the police in Canada's largest city are bigots too.

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

There are countless disruptions all over the Western world by pro-Palestinian supporters. Who knows how many are actual Palestinians but without question there must be some. By comparison, how many disruptions are caused by Ukrainian refugees? Why is that?

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ironstone said:

By your standards,  you must think.....

And that's where you're wrong.  

[herbie]

14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

This has nothing to do with racism. Shame on you for bring this up. The truth is you are the bigot. 

No fool. As I said every racist claims the other person calling them a racist is the racist. Because they can't see themselves in a mirror nor reason beyond a childish level.
You are the ones making disparaging claims about a specific ethnicity, so YOU are the bigot according to a dictionary. Cut, dried, polished, clear as a bell.

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

No fool. As I said every racist claims the other person calling them a racist is the racist. Because they can't see themselves in a mirror nor reason beyond a childish level.
You are the ones making disparaging claims about a specific ethnicity, so YOU are the bigot according to a dictionary. Cut, dried, polished, clear as a bell.

Your knife is blunt, polisher has 60 grit sandpaper, bell has lost it's clapper.

How can ones truth be disparaging.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

No fool. As I said every racist claims the other person calling them a racist is the racist. Because they can't see themselves in a mirror nor reason beyond a childish level.

But that description fits YOU too.

1 hour ago, herbie said:

You are the ones making disparaging claims about a specific ethnicity, 

What if the claims are true?

[taxme]

On 5/27/2024 at 1:21 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok, well Yugoslavia then.  Basically, you're asking to change the form because they're Arabs is that right ?  Not sure.
2. Sure, if you say so.  We almost got a conversation here going but you feel like I'm a fool ... why do you even chat with me ?  I put fools (and others) on ignore...

Mark Marano of Climate Depot website will explain to you as to why humans are not to be constantly blamed for climate change or crisis. Try and get the other side of the story for a change, will ya. 

MH will probably not see this post because he no doubt has me on ignore. 🐓 Puk-puk. 🤣

[taxme]

On 5/27/2024 at 4:08 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Unfortunately we see exactly this in Western Europe, in particular in Britain. France, Germany and Holland. The mayor of London is a Pakistani and they have eight Islamic centers there. Prayers on streets of Paris. White females not feeling safe in some areas. Keep Canada's future safe by screening out the undesirables.

I thought that there was an housing crisis in Canada? If so, why do the stupid leftist imbecile liberals keep bringing in millions of so many unwanted and unneeded non-white refugees who have nothing in common with the white culture of Canada? Is there a conspiracy to make white people become a minority in their own white homeland? I am beginning to believe this is so. Just saying. 

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Venandi said:

Do you find it odd that Arab / Islamic states, especially those with monarchies don't accept Palestinian refugees? By your own assessment, wouldn't that qualify them as the worst possible example of bigotry or is there another possible reason for their reluctance?  

Ideology. As I understand it Palestinians are a lot more liberal and progressive than Arab and Islamic states that hate lefties as much as any other conservatives around the world.

That's what probably kept us from taking in European Jews back in the day, they were just a little to socialist for most western political tastes.

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

No fool. As I said every racist claims the other person calling them a racist is the racist. 

You call people racists all the time.   

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Ideology. As I understand it Palestinians are a lot more liberal and progressive than Arab states

 

True! For example everybody knows that men die in wars more than women, and they went out of their way on their attack to make sure that more women were slaughtered this time. Who says they don't care about Equality! 

 

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Palestinians are a lot more liberal and progressive than Arab and Islamic states that hate lefties as much as any other conservatives around the world.

Well there ya go.... Palestinians are just too darn liberal and progressive for them eh? 

Some contrary minded folk might suggest that there are (at least) two issues at play here. One is the fear that Israel will force permanent exile on the Palestinians who leave and not allow the "right of return" to any of those who depart. Essentially that means the country that takes em keeps em forever with all the potential instability that could come with that. 

But that's a secondary issue to the Hamas factor itself and the difficulty in vetting out extremist elements within the population.

Egypt (as a for instance) has concerns about stability in the Sinai and the possibility (actually the likelihood) of it being used to launch attacks at Israel that would then force retaliatory strikes on Egyptian territory trashing the existing peace deal in the process. 

Other Arab countries have similar concerns about a destabilizing extremest presence and the potential for having to keep the very extremists that they don't want and can't afford in the first place. 

These countries would certainly prefer that places like Canada take them in. And since Palestinian extremist are renowned the world over for being progressive and liberal minded, what could possibly go wrong, go wrong, GO WRONG with that... right?

Taken a step further, when you factor in things like the Abraham Accords, first baby steps in the normalization of relations with Israel, and the slippage of Arab support (in general) for the Palestinian cause, the whole thing becomes even more complicated. Incredibly, at the same time that's happening our own capacity to over simplify all of the long standing animosities in play here continues to accelerate at a hysterical pace.  

The typical liberal / progressive Canadian viewpoint here is Interesting from a clinical and historical perspective I guess, but I'm at a loss to explain the sort of thinking that suggests all of these animosities will somehow magically evaporate on touchdown in Toronto.

If only the same wishful thinking actually worked on in-laws eh? 

 

 

Edited June 3, 2024 by Venandi

[Venandi]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Who says they don't care about Equality! 

I find all of this astonishing... even though it's more tragic than funny, I couldn't help but laugh.

It's a remarkable perspective and one I would have thought difficult to maintain for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. One need only look around at random and ask a few basic questions that are prefixed with "wait a minute now" or "let's just think about this for a second."

Here's the first item of news I saw for the day (over coffee) as an example of what I mean... https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/shootings-three-gunned-down-in-hamilton-three-in-bowmanville-one-in-toronto

Off topic by a country mile, but the ability to associate this sort of thing in any (cause effect) way with duck hunters from PEI is nothing short of breathtaking. I can't even imagine a casual consumer of daily news sincerely believing that JT's gun grab is money, time or effort well spent. yet here we are.

It's the very definition of "narrative driven opportunity cost" and there's a heavy price associated with it.

Even when the opportunity cost can easily be measured in lives lost, lingering voter support (I'll just call it narrative) for such things as BC's vax mandates (health care workers) and the safe supply debacle still exists. And unfortunately, it exists in sufficient quantity to make a reasonable person inquire as to  "how much is enough?" and at what point do we all agree to  select emergency braking on this speeding train to achieve track speed for the looming curve ahead?

Over the last 13 months estimates suggest that some 31,000 Canadiens  have died on medical waiting lists while awaiting surgery or diagnostic procedures, all while we have at least as many doctors per capita as we did back when that sort of thing didn't happen.

We now have waiting lists to get on waiting lists...

At what point will progressives stop blaming Trump for a series of predictable derailments and begin to ask themselves the same question I ask them all the time?

WTF did you think was going to happen if you fire 1500 health care workers during a shortage of..... health care workers. 

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

Edited June 3, 2024 by Venandi

[blackbird]

16 hours ago, herbie said:

As I said every racist claims the other person calling them a racist is the racist.

Is that the only word you know?

[Guest]

On 5/31/2024 at 9:15 PM, herbie said:

Objecting to their race and religion?

Regarding Gaza and Afghanistan, religion and race play little part in anything. Its more relating to the fact that either country are known to be terrorism hotbeds. 

Egypt has openly refused Gaza refugees for that very reason.

Importing tens or hundreds of thousands, would ensure they also would be importing the militant groups hiding within the population.

This could cause a 1979 peace treaty with Egypt and Israel to be torn up, due to militant activity.

I don't think its an accident that Canada has been insanely conservative with how many Gazans they would allow in.

Labeling it as racism without observing the history, is lazy.

On 5/31/2024 at 9:15 PM, herbie said:

Don't even give as damn most of the ones from Gaza are or have relatives already in Canada.

Thats irrelevant. Like terrorists can't have family members or have sex and bear children? 

Having family in Canada somehow prevent crime or terror?

What, because of Canada's known toughness on terrorist groups or known terrorists?

Edited June 3, 2024 by Perspektiv

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, Venandi said:

Well there ya go.... Palestinians are just too darn liberal and progressive for them eh? 

It's just one more thing.   

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

I find all of this astonishing... even though it's more tragic than funny, I couldn't help but laugh.

It's a remarkable perspective and one I would have thought difficult to maintain for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. One need only look around at random and ask a few basic questions that are prefixed with "wait a minute now" or "let's just think about this for a second."

Here's the first item of news I saw for the day (over coffee) as an example of what I mean... https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/shootings-three-gunned-down-in-hamilton-three-in-bowmanville-one-in-toronto

Off topic by a country mile, but the ability to associate this sort of thing in any (cause effect) way with duck hunters from PEI is nothing short of breathtaking. I can't even imagine a casual consumer of daily news sincerely believing that JT's gun grab is money, time or effort well spent. yet here we are.

It's the very definition of "narrative driven opportunity cost" and there's a heavy price associated with it.

Even when the opportunity cost can easily be measured in lives lost, lingering voter support (I'll just call it narrative) for such things as BC's vax mandates (health care workers) and the safe supply debacle still exists. And unfortunately, it exists in sufficient quantity to make a reasonable person inquire as to  "how much is enough?" and at what point do we all agree to  select emergency braking on this speeding train to achieve track speed for the looming curve ahead?

Over the last 13 months estimates suggest that some 31,000 Canadiens  have died on medical waiting lists while awaiting surgery or diagnostic procedures, all while we have at least as many doctors per capita as we did back when that sort of thing didn't happen.

We now have waiting lists to get on waiting lists...

At what point will progressives stop blaming Trump for a series of predictable derailments and begin to ask themselves the same question I ask them all the time?

WTF did you think was going to happen if you fire 1500 health care workers during a shortage of..... health care workers. 

LOL  - It's definitely true that there is a tendency on the left to ignore warnings and then be completely befuddled as to how some terrible thing could happen that they were completely warned about. And then blame it on the conservatives.

They were told carbon taxes would not do anything to improve the environment and implementing them would turn people away from climate control. This is now happening, it did nothing and people are starting to get fed up with climate change costing them money. But it's Poilievre who's to blame for spreading this information 🙄

They were warned that excessive government spending would lead to high inflation. But no that could never happen. And when it does it's the rest of the world's fault not ours even though exactly what you said would happen happened.

They were warned that putting specific groups and religions on a pedestal would spur racism and hatred. You can't say this one group is special and the rest of you are scum and expect this to bring people together. But they did it, and now the result is the christian's fault

 

And on and on it goes. And in the not too distant future when republicans use the courts to attack political arrivals the democrats will wail and rent their garments and demand to know how this could possibly have ever happened