Trudeau's immigration minister Marc Miller announces that he is quintupling the number of refugees Canada is taking from Gaza from 1,000 to 5,000.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

European Jews should have been provided with a European homeland following the attempt to exterminate them in Europe.

 

As has already been discussed, no they shouldn't and it wouldn't have been possible. 

Prefer to lie and spin fairy tales that couldn't have happened or do you actually care about the fact that children are being blown into small bite-sized pieces today?

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Ah good old ancient history, LMAO! What would you guys do without it eh? 

Same thing you would do without it apparently. Be forced to deal with the situation as it is today and actually look for constructive solutions.

But it's hilarious that you bring up history and then get mad when somebody else says but there's other history.

Women and children are being blown up today because of the decisions that these people have made and your trying to insist that somehow they're good decisions. They are very bad decisions. I don't care what happened a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago, today we face this situation and there's choices to be made and they're choosing to die and take their children with them.

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Obviously I also mean secular progressive Palestinians.

All seven of them you mean 🙄

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

What if they simply took your property at gunpoint and killed a loved one in the process?

Too bad so sad?

Anyone who owned property back then is long dead. And there's not a lot of evidence that was widespread. I'm sure a lot of Jews can complain about the same thing since a million of them were expelled from surrounding Arab states around the same time

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Obviously I also mean secular progressive Palestinians.

No such things.

[herbie]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'd ask why I wasn't consulted or solicited for my support

and be summarily executed... we're not talking democratic Canada we're talking Hamas scum overlords. That's the problem, the people aren't represented in the least.

And I'm not absolving Israel of it's total disregard towards minimizing 'collateral damage', but I will offer them advice.
Instead of lame promises to "investigate" every single massacre, offer the Palestinians your 'thoughts and prayers', that should win you 100% support from GOP Americans and keep the ammo coming.

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

...we're not talking democratic Canada we're talking Hamas scum overlords. That's the problem, the people aren't represented in the least.

Which is why we should be a lot less careless about who and what we support.

We should also be a lot more aggressive towards Hamas' overlords - Iran in other words.

 

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Which is why we should be a lot less careless about who and what we support.

We should also be a lot more aggressive towards Hamas' overlords - Iran in other words.

 

If we are won't you simply claim that we're baby killers the same as you are now when we're bombing your terrorist friends?

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/9/2024 at 1:53 AM, eyeball said:

Obviously I also mean secular progressive Palestinians.

Well they would be more sane than Hamas and other religious far-right conservatives.

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Well they would be more sane than Hamas and other religious far-right conservatives.

More sane than Netanyahu's far right religious crew too.

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Well they would be more sane than Hamas and other religious far-right conservatives.

LOL - i love that hamas is now 'conservative'    That explains all those "conservatives" demonstrating for them and taking over universities and such.    ROFLMAO!!!

The left always pretends that their own authoritarian psychopath nut bars are right wing 🙄

[Legato]

On 6/9/2024 at 1:55 AM, CdnFox said:

As has already been discussed, no they shouldn't and it wouldn't have been possible. 

Prefer to lie and spin fairy tales that couldn't have happened or do you actually care about the fact that children are being blown into small bite-sized pieces today?

Same thing you would do without it apparently. Be forced to deal with the situation as it is today and actually look for constructive solutions.

But it's hilarious that you bring up history and then get mad when somebody else says but there's other history.

Women and children are being blown up today because of the decisions that these people have made and your trying to insist that somehow they're good decisions. They are very bad decisions. I don't care what happened a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago, today we face this situation and there's choices to be made and they're choosing to die and take their children with them.

All seven of them you mean 🙄

I've told a million time about eggsbadgerating.. 

[ironstone]

For anyone that's interested, this was a pretty lively debate. One of them was a crackpot (from Bernie Sander's team).

 

[I am Groot]

On 6/9/2024 at 5:08 PM, herbie said:

And I'm not absolving Israel of it's total disregard towards minimizing 'collateral damage', but I

I'll just put this here, shall I?

In their criticism, Israel's opponents are erasing a remarkable, historic new standard Israel has set. In my long career studying and advising on urban warfare for the U.S. military, I've never known an army to take such measures to attend to the enemy's civilian population, especially while simultaneously combating the enemy in the very same buildings. In fact, by my analysis, Israel has implemented more precautions to prevent civilian harm than any military in history—above and beyond what international law requires and more than the U.S. did in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Israel sets new standard for urban warfare.

 

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I'll just put this here, shall I?

In their criticism, Israel's opponents are erasing a remarkable, historic new standard Israel has set. In my long career studying and advising on urban warfare for the U.S. military, I've never known an army to take such measures to attend to the enemy's civilian population, especially while simultaneously combating the enemy in the very same buildings. In fact, by my analysis, Israel has implemented more precautions to prevent civilian harm than any military in history—above and beyond what international law requires and more than the U.S. did in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Israel sets new standard for urban warfare.

 

It probably needs to be seen in the sweaty terrorist thread. 

You know the one...

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, ironstone said:

For anyone that's interested, this was a pretty lively debate. One of them was a crackpot (from Bernie Sander's team).

That Jake Klein guy is a really vile piece of work:

1. He says that "70% of the people killed are women and children" - which is to just accept the stats of liars - and then automatically assumes that none of them are valid military targets, and that's 100% false. Some of the women are actively supporting Hamas militarily, which makes them valid targets, and a lot of the u-18's killed would also be active members of Hamas. Traditionally we think of people as young as 17 as being soldiers, but we don't even send them to war anymore, but those sick bastards over there undoubtedly have 14 yr olds enlisted in their cause. When you adjust that "70%" number by how many of the women and children are valid targets it probably drops well below 50%.
2. He conveniently starts his timeline for the topic of "genocides" at 1980 to avoid the obvious topic of Pakistan's second genocide which numbered in the millions in 1971. If he went back to the '60s guess what... There's another Pakistani genocide to talk about. And there are smaller genocides occurring in Pakistan all the time. Most recently was Balochistan, as far as I know, but if there was another genocide in Paksitan since that one, I wouldn't be surprised. It's what they do there, all the time.  He also neglected to talk about islamic state's genocide. Somehow they put out ads on social media, showing that they were beheading journalists, and that attracted a large enough army to conquer 100,000 sq miles. 
3. He denied that Hamas is using women and children as meat shields, but that is precisely what they are known to do. Hamas aren't "fighting men, protecting their women and children", they are "terrorists who kill to start wars and then cry about the retaliation".
4. The little id10t called Israel the "ethnic Jewish state in Palestine" and it's not in Palestine at all. 
5. He called Israel "one of the most clear-cut examples of identity politics cultures in the ME" 🤣. What a deceitful little God-damned loser he is. 

 

The level of identity politics in Israel is a moon-cast shadow of what it is in every single muslim country there. Women in Israel don't get beaten up or jailed for wearing a hijab, but women is the muslim countries face violence and even criminal charges for not wearing a hijab. 

Edited June 11, 2024 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

In their criticism, Israel's opponents are erasing a remarkable, historic new standard Israel has set.

Maybe Canada could do something similar and emulate Israel's colonization of Palestine. Perhaps we could dial back the treaties we've negotiated with 1st Nations and give their oppression and subjugation the old college try.

[herbie]

OOH isareal's setting a new standard so the US military can learn to be just as barbaric too!

[Army Guy]

On 6/9/2024 at 6:08 PM, herbie said:

and be summarily executed... we're not talking democratic Canada we're talking Hamas scum overlords. That's the problem, the people aren't represented in the least.

And I'm not absolving Israel of it's total disregard towards minimizing 'collateral damage', but I will offer them advice.
Instead of lame promises to "investigate" every single massacre, offer the Palestinians your 'thoughts and prayers', that should win you 100% support from GOP Americans and keep the ammo coming.

Fill us in what else could they have done to minimizing collateral damage ? ...I'm curious as this point keeps coming up, is there any proof that this actually happens...that they intentional go out of their way to hit civilian targets....

 

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Fill us in what else could they have done to minimizing collateral damage ? ...I'm curious as this point keeps coming up, is there any proof that this actually happens...that they intentional go out of their way to hit civilian targets....

It's the fact civilians are still dying in droves anyway that matters. Or are we supposed to feel all warm and fuzzy because the death toll is only in the tens of thousands?

It looks a lot more like Israel could care less about how many are being killed. You see that around here as well.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's the fact civilians are still dying in droves anyway that matters. Or are we supposed to feel all warm and fuzzy because the death toll is only in the tens of thousands?

It looks a lot more like Israel could care less about how many are being killed. You see that around here as well.

What matters is that hamas is still intact and they haven't finished rooting that mess out as best as possible.

That's what matters.

Civillians will die until that happens and that's just the way it is.

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's the fact civilians are still dying in droves anyway that matters. Or are we supposed to feel all warm and fuzzy because the death toll is only in the tens of thousands?

It looks a lot more like Israel could care less about how many are being killed. You see that around here as well.

how many is a drove anyways...is it hundreds or thousands, or more....and i've asked this before over and over again, in Sudan and many other conflicts ongoing around the globe today.....they are killing much more civilians than in Gaza, but "you people" have not even mentioned those killings, why ? is it becasue they are not terrorist, not the same color , religion, why this terrorist group.......

That's part of the problem here you're missing out on all the facts, first problem is hamas includes all of it's terrorist in those numbers, second if those fighters that are listed under 18 they are reported as children...Not to mention the exaggeration of those killed which has already been debunked by NGO's and the other aid groups...

Why don't you do some research on urban warfare and do some comparison with other conflicts, and ask yourselves why is this conflict so important to YOU and people like you...why has a terrorist organization have you cheerleading for them....

 

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe Canada could do something similar and emulate Israel's colonization of Palestine. Perhaps we could dial back the treaties we've negotiated with 1st Nations and give their oppression and subjugation the old college try.

If they start murdering people in job lots with suicide attacks and bombings I'm sure we will.

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's the fact civilians are still dying in droves anyway that matters. 

No, in fact, that's not what matters. The Palestinians eagerly started a war with Israel and now refuse to surrender. That means more of them are going to die. Tough noogies. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

how many is a drove anyways...is it hundreds or thousands, or more....and i've asked this before over and over again, in Sudan and many other conflicts ongoing around the globe today.....they are killing much more civilians than in Gaza, but "you people" have not even mentioned those killings, why ? is it becasue they are not terrorist, not the same color , religion, why this terrorist group.......

Probably because mentioning it never changes anything.  If the ME wasn't such an ongoing distraction other places would get the attention they deserve.

As for the Sudan I have little doubt super-duper power machinations and games are as much behind the conflict there as they are just about everywhere else around this stupid planet.  Something you people ignore when you're not defending or apologizing for according to some partisan reason or another - usually because you think you're thwarting commies or lefties or socialism, a tired out old shtick you've used for decades and decades.

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

That's part of the problem here you're missing out on all the facts, first problem is hamas includes all of it's terrorist in those numbers, second if those fighters that are listed under 18 they are reported as children...Not to mention the exaggeration of those killed which has already been debunked by NGO's and the other aid groups...

You're ignoring, cowardly I might add, the fact that Hamas is far more a proxy of Iran's than a representative of Palestinians. As for children over there, the minute they have a little peach fuzz on their little brown faces you act like they're fully grown savages that deserve what Iran deserves.

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Why don't you do some research on urban warfare and do some comparison with other conflicts, and ask yourselves why is this conflict so important to YOU and people like you...why has a terrorist organization have you cheerleading for them....

Mostly its because you fu cking people say I support rape, torture and murder. Go fu ck yourselves.

The biggest thing that stands out when comparing all these conflicts around the globe is the overarching competing interests of the big powers that are often fuelling them. That and the scathing completely unwarranted hatred you people always have for people like me.

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

If they start murdering people in job lots with suicide attacks and bombings I'm sure we will.

No, in fact, that's not what matters. The Palestinians eagerly started a war with Israel and now refuse to surrender. That means more of them are going to die. Tough noogies. 

Iran started this, not Palestinians. Thousands of Gazan labourers showed at the border with Israel to go to work on the morning of Oct 7 like any other morning - they clearly didn't have a clue what Iran was up to.

[Venandi]

55 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Thousands of Gazan labourers showed at the border with Israel to go to work on the morning of Oct 7 like any other morning - they clearly didn't have a clue

Come on now... did you really expect that commuting  labourers would be privy to this? Stand it on its head and Imagine if none of those labourers showed up. Pattern of life is a key element of intelligence gathering and little things add up... that wouldn't be little, it's bloody huge.

Israeli intelligence missed it and Hamas fighters never found out until the day of.

It was  deliberate and premeditated, few knew the details, nothing was left to be leaked. It was carefully planned too, systematically going door to door murdering and raping all occupants wasn't an accident either.

Where are the Covid boosters who always asserted that decisions have consequences? They seem to have gone quiet.

 

Edited June 11, 2024 by Venandi

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, Venandi said:

It was  deliberate and premeditated, few knew the details, nothing was left to be leaked. It was carefully planned too, systematically going door to door murdering and raping all occupants wasn't an accident either.

Yup, the brutality was calculated, to provoke the response we've witnessed.

27 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Where are the Covid boosters who always asserted that decisions have consequences? They seem to have gone quiet.

A calculation that probably included triggering the in-sensibilities of the type of people who'd introduce such a ridiculous non sequitur as this into a discussion about the conflict in the ME.

But sure, decisions do have consequences alright, like the ones Canada participated in making that contributed to the violent invasive manner by which Israel came into being. Canada will continue to fail in its attempt to be some kind of an honest broker in this conflict until we acknowledge our role in helping to create it.

I guess having to squirm around that is what results in such a ridiculous non sequitur as a reference to COVID boosters...whatever the hell that even means.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Iran started this, not Palestinians. 

Palestine started it. Not the Jews, Not the US, not Europe, not Canada as you frequently suggest, not Iran. Palestine decided that they would cross the border and deliberately conduct this operation and slaughter these people. They then bragged about it on social media and around the world.

You want everybody in the world to be responsible except the people who are responsible

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yup, the brutality was calculated, to provoke the response we've witnessed.

 

Then stop complaining about the response