Pro-Hamas Rallies in Canada

User · April 30, 2024

6 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

It is when they steal land to build the settlements, dummy!

Look dude if you don't know what apartheid is and don't know what Israel does to the people under its control, you probably should just read up on it instead of asking dumb questions.

That is not the definition of ethnic cleansing. Name-calling doesn't make your arguments any better.

I do know what apartheid is. In this case, it is just a left-wing, mindless talking point parroted by people who typically have no ability actually to articulate anything to support it.

Black Dog · April 30, 2024

24 minutes ago, User said:

That is not the definition of ethnic cleansing. Name-calling doesn't make your arguments any better.

I do know what apartheid is. In this case, it is just a left-wing, mindless talking point parroted by people who typically have no ability actually to articulate anything to support it.

lol come on, man:

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A United Nations Commission of Experts mandated to look into violations of international humanitarian law committed in the territory of the former Yugoslavia defined ethnic cleansing in its interim report S/25274 as "… rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area." In its final report S/1994/674, the same Commission described ethnic cleansing as “… a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

I'd love to hear how forcibly expelling a group of people from their land to steal their homes or build settlements for another group on it doesn't meet this criteria.

Edited April 30, 2024 by Black Dog

WestCanMan · April 30, 2024

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Don't try and tell me what I was talking about, doofus.

I know what you're talking about, even if you don't.

You're forwarding the agenda of radical bigots who will do anything to get a genocide in Israel.

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LOL, sure man.

So, you don't think Palestinians had Gaza to themselves?

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I said: "They used their freedom and their free money to commit terrorist attacks and to try to commit genocide against the Jews, and even now, with bombs falling all around, their primary concern is still to foment hatred against Israel so there can be a genocide against them."

And it was correct.

Is it an "admission" on my part to say that Palestinians just want a genocide against Israel?

Black Dog · April 30, 2024

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I know what you're talking about, even if you don't.

You're forwarding the agenda of radical bigots who will do anything to get a genocide in Israel.

You don't even know what you're talking about so I don't trust you to speak for me.

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So, you don't think Palestinians had Gaza to themselves?

If you control a territory but not its borders, waters or airspace, can you really be said to control a territory?

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And it was correct.

Is it an "admission" on my part to say that Palestinians just want a genocide against Israel?

No it's an admission that Israel is committing genocide.

WestCanMan · April 30, 2024

34 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You don't even know what you're talking about so I don't trust you to speak for me.

I'm not "speaking for you", I'm just telling you what you're supporting.

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If you control a territory but not its borders, waters or airspace, can you really be said to control a territory?

They control it, Israel just makes it hard for them to bring in weapons.

Gazans could spend all the money they want making the place beautiful, boats can visit, they just can't offload tanks and cruise missiles at their ports.

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No it's an admission that Israel is committing genocide.

OMG you're stupid.

"They [Gazans]used their freedom and their free money to commit terrorist attacks and to try to commit genocide against the Jews [Israelis], and even now, with bombs falling all around, their [the Gazans'] primary concern is still to foment hatred against Israel [not Gaza, Israel] so there can be a genocide against them [Israel]."

Edited April 30, 2024 by WestCanMan

Moonlight Graham · April 30, 2024

On 4/24/2024 at 1:28 PM, Black Dog said:

Old news, who cares, f*ck Israel.

But no f*ck Hamas? Great job.

eyeball · April 30, 2024

On 4/28/2024 at 5:22 PM, WestCanMan said:

They wouldn't be trying to kill your family though, and that's the difference between them and Hamas.

The Israelis try not to kill women and children,

And yet families that are filled with women and children are being killed anyway.

On 4/28/2024 at 5:22 PM, WestCanMan said:

Hamas wants to kill everyone that's Jewish.

Because they're Jewish? No doubt some do I'm sure but there are also secular Palestinians who don't care about religion - so that means religion can be ruled out as a deal breaking obstacle. It can be overcome if enough people put their minds to it. That would include us btw.

Army Guy · April 30, 2024

5 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Unironically yes.

The west isn't giving Hamas tens of millions of dollars to wage war on Israel tho.

They seem to be getting their funding from somewhere....the links below make mention of inter national aid being siphoned off. Canada has sent 100 million to gaza in foreign aid, Not to mention an additional 100 million to UNRWA which sees dozens of it's members take part in the oct attack...There is no way that funding could have been syphoned, when a lot of UNRWA workers are palestinians Hamas members...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099

https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/01/canada-provides-additional-humanitarian-assistance-in-gaza.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-gaza-funding-1.7098940

Black Dog · April 30, 2024

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG you're stupid.

"They [Gazans]used their freedom and their free money to commit terrorist attacks and to try to commit genocide against the Jews [Israelis], and even now, with bombs falling all around, their [the Gazans'] primary concern is still to foment hatred against Israel [not Gaza, Israel] so there can be a genocide against them [Israel]."

lol you're a garbarge writer who doesn't understand subject-object functions.

WestCanMan · May 1, 2024

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

lol you're a garbarge writer who doesn't understand subject-object functions.

I love that you were trying to say that unironically.

User · May 1, 2024

7 hours ago, Black Dog said:

lol come on, man:

I'd love to hear how forcibly expelling a group of people from their land to steal their homes or build settlements for another group on it doesn't meet this criteria.

LOL, come on indeed. Are you comparing the kind of warfare and eradication employed in Yugoslavia to Settlement disputes in Israel?

At this pace, maybe in 10,000 years the West Bank will be "cleansed." *eye roll*

WestCanMan · May 1, 2024

1 hour ago, User said:

LOL, come on indeed. Are you comparing the kind of warfare and eradication employed in Yugoslavia to Settlement disputes in Israel?

At this pace, maybe in 10,000 years the West Bank will be "cleansed." *eye roll*

You're holding a leftist to account for exaggeration now lol. That's like calling a retarded kid for double-dribble.

At least he referenced something that was actually true and compared it to something else that was actually true. That's a 9/10 for accuracy on the leftard scale.

Black Dog · May 1, 2024

13 hours ago, User said:

LOL, come on indeed. Are you comparing the kind of warfare and eradication employed in Yugoslavia to Settlement disputes in Israel?

At this pace, maybe in 10,000 years the West Bank will be "cleansed." *eye roll*

If that's your takeaway then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'll spell it out for you: I'm not comparing Israel's actions to what happened in the former Yugoslavia, I'm pointing out that Israel's actions meet the criteria for ethnic cleansing established by the UN in the wake of that other conflict, specifically: " a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I love that you were trying to say that unironically.

You don't understand irony either. In short, you clearly rode the short bus to school.

WestCanMan · May 1, 2024

3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

If that's your takeaway then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'll spell it out for you: I'm not comparing Israel's actions to what happened in the former Yugoslavia, I'm pointing out that Israel's actions meet the criteria for ethnic cleansing established by the UN in the wake of that other conflict, specifically: " a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

My takeaway is always that you're a credulous dolt with a pro-genocide confirmation bias.

FYI the situation in Gaza in nothing like Yugo.

In Gaza the belligerents are entrenched in hundreds of miles of tunnels, and they have a long history of advocating for genocide, and attempting genocide.

It's a maze of traps, kill-zones, and non-uniformed combatants.

Sending in soldiers and tanks to pick out the non-uniformed terrorists from the civilians, with traps and bombs and sneak attacks from all sides, is an impossible task. No one has enough soldiers to root out all the terrorists in Gaza without making a mess.

Yugo was a bunch of normal cities with mainly civilian populations, who were uninterested in war.

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You don't understand irony either. In short, you clearly rode the short bus to school.

I understand where you're coming from, and it's unfortunate that people like you exist.

User · May 1, 2024

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

If that's your takeaway then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'll spell it out for you: I'm not comparing Israel's actions to what happened in the former Yugoslavia, I'm pointing out that Israel's actions meet the criteria for ethnic cleansing established by the UN in the wake of that other conflict, specifically: " a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

Well, yeah, you were and are. Israel is not removing Palestinians en masse through terror or violence.

Palestinians are and have been living in the West Bank and Gaza for decades now and continue to grow. So again... maybe in 10,000 years at this pace there will be some ethnic cleansing, if a million other things all align on the way...

Your position is hyperbole at best, an gross exaggeration, over settlement policy, much of which started with security because again, they lost a war and Israel is not all to keen on having their borders so close again. I guess the Palestinians should have taken any number of the previous deals out there instead of insisting on little more than the destruction of Israel or a return to 1948 borders that will never happen.

Black Dog · May 1, 2024

1 hour ago, User said:

Well, yeah, you were and are. Israel is not removing Palestinians en masse through terror or violence.

I note that you had to add the term "en masse" which isn't in the definition I provided. There's nothing that says ethnic cleansing must be conducted with speed or against a large group at once versus slowly and piecemeal.

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Palestinians are and have been living in the West Bank and Gaza for decades now and continue to grow. So again... maybe in 10,000 years at this pace there will be some ethnic cleansing, if a million other things all align on the way...

And there's nothing in the definition of ethnic cleansing about reducing the overall size of a given population either, but please continue to grasp at straws.

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Your position is hyperbole at best, an gross exaggeration, over settlement policy, much of which started with security because again, they lost a war and Israel is not all to keen on having their borders so close again. I guess the Palestinians should have taken any number of the previous deals out there instead of insisting on little more than the destruction of Israel or a return to 1948 borders that will never happen.

Again you're doing nothing here but betraying your own ignorance of Israel's policies and motivations here.

blackbird · May 1, 2024

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

Because they're Jewish? No doubt some do I'm sure but there are also secular Palestinians who don't care about religion - so that means religion can be ruled out as a deal breaking obstacle. It can be overcome if enough people put their minds to it. That would include us btw.

Seriously?

Some Palestinians might be devout Muslims and some not so much, but they all want to eliminate Israel. How would you change their minds on that?

Edited May 1, 2024 by blackbird

eyeball · May 1, 2024

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

but they all want to eliminate Israel

I'm sure many, especially the religious ones, wish Israel had never been created but I don't believe all Palestinians wish that, especially the left-wing secular ones.

Peace is probably completely hopeless with religious people leading things over there, especially the right-wing ones.

Secular lefties are the only long term hope for everything in the world. I can't think of much that I'd leave up to religious people to figure out over there especially peace in the ME and surrounding region.

WestCanMan · May 1, 2024

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

I note that you had to add the term "en masse" which isn't in the definition I provided. There's nothing that says ethnic cleansing must be conducted with speed or against a large group at once versus slowly and piecemeal.

Then by your definition muslims were ethnically cleansing the ME for centuries. Both slowly and en masse.

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Again you're doing nothing here but betraying your own ignorance of Israel's policies and motivations here.

Again, you're doing nothing here but displaying your own ignorance of the distant and recent history of the ME in general, and the relative evil of the Israeli's/islamic motives in that region.

I get that you really want your opinion to be heard here, but you're not making people believe in islamic kumbaya. All you're doing is drawing attention to your own stupidity.

Black Dog · May 1, 2024

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Then by your definition muslims were ethnically cleansing the ME for centuries. Both slowly and en masse.

Sure, so what?

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Again, you're doing nothing here but displaying your own ignorance of the distant and recent history of the ME in general, and the relative evil of the Israeli's/islamic motives in that region.

I get that you really want your opinion to be heard here, but you're not making people believe in islamic kumbaya. All you're doing is drawing attention to your own stupidity.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, least of all retarded boomers like you whose greatest contribution to the world will be leaving it.

WestCanMan · May 1, 2024

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm sure many, especially the religious ones, wish Israel had never been created but I don't believe all Palestinians wish that, especially the left-wing secular ones.

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How many "left-wing, secular Palestinians" do you think there are in Gaza?

@Black Dog: This is for you too, stupid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism_in_the_Gaza_Strip

Islamism in the Gaza Strip involves efforts to promote and impose Islamic laws and traditions in the Gaza Strip. The influence of Islamic groups in the Gaza Strip has grown since the 1980s. Following Hamas' victory in the 2006 Palestinian elections and a conflict with supporters of the rival Fatah party, Hamas took complete control of the Gaza Strip,^[1]^[2]^[3] [including dragging Fatah members from their homes and publicly execuing them - comment added by myself] and declared the "end of secularism and heresy in the Gaza Strip".^[4] For the first time since the Sudanese coup of 1989 that brought Omar al-Bashir to power, a Muslim Brotherhood group rules a significant geographic territory.^[5] Gaza human-rights groups accuse Hamas of restricting many freedoms.^[2]

Ismael Haniyeh officially denied^[when?] accusations that Hamas intended to establish an Islamic emirate.^[5] However, Jonathan Schanzer wrote that in two years following the 2007 coup, the Gaza Strip had exhibited the characteristics of Talibanization,^[5] a process whereby the Hamas government had imposed strict rules on women, discouraged activities commonly associated with Western culture, oppressed non-Muslim minorities, imposed sharia law, and deployed religious police to enforce these laws.^[5]

According to a Human Rights Watch researcher, the Hamas-controlled government of Gaza stepped up its efforts to "Islamize" Gaza in 2010, efforts that included the "repression" of civil society and "severe violations of personal freedom".^[6] Israeli journalist Khaled Abu Toameh wrote in 2009 that "Hamas is gradually turning the Gaza Strip into a Taliban-style Islamic entity".^[7] According to Mkhaimar Abusada, a political-science professor at Gaza's Al-Azhar University, "Ruling by itself, Hamas can stamp its ideas on everyone (...) Islamizing society has always been part of Hamas strategy."^[8]

FYI that's a form of ethnic cleansing right there: you beat down, discriminate against and kill people until everyone who's left conforms to your own strict standards.

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WestCanMan · May 1, 2024

3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Sure, so what?

So you're finally admitting that you're in favour of muslims ethnically cleansing that entire region. Thanks.

I just didn't want people getting the impression that you were supporting Hamas because you're some kind of humanitarian.

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I'm not trying to convince anyone, least of all retarded boomers like you whose greatest contribution to the world will be leaving it.

I never said that you were trying to convince people of your stupidity and ignorance, not even AOC does that. I just informed you that that's what you were doing.

Now that you've admitted to be in favour of ethnic cleansing, no one has to doubt anything that I said about you.

blackbird · May 1, 2024

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Secular lefties are the only long term hope for everything in the world.

I doubt that very much. They want to get rid of Israel just as much as the practicing Muslims. Hate of Israel is taught to everyone from children up, religious and non-religious.

Not sure where you got the idea the "secular lefties" are the answer to anything. Secular lefties are worshipers of a false ideology. Those are Socialists and Communists.

Edited May 1, 2024 by blackbird

herbie · May 1, 2024

On 4/29/2024 at 2:15 PM, Army Guy said:

Why do you people not understand that the protests are against western nations aiding and abetting Israel's ongoing campaign of apartheid and ethnic cleansing?

Because they're busy portraying them as ProHamas rallies like the OP to fit their political agenda. Which is 100% against reasoning and sane thought.
Even though I think protesting at a N American university against a war between people who aren't N American is futile, and the extremists are demanding disinvestment in companies 'that do business with Israel' is disingenuine. Divest in Lockheed because Israel buys F35s same as us? Invest in terrorists that rape, murder and take hostages instead?