QuebecOverCanada Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 We're heading for more Internet control if Pierre Poilievre obtains majority apparently. It's super incoherent with his whole ideology of small government and limited intervention in people's lives. His whole shtick of protecting the children is also unconvincing. VPN sales are going to skyrocket in Canada. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservative-government-would-require-id-to-watch-porn-poilievre-1.6777435 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 I don't believe that he could be considering this, sorry. I think governments haven't gone there for a reason, which is that pornography is very widely used and restricting responsible access to it has unknown political implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 (edited) Not giving minors access to porn? And you feel we ARE protecting children by letting them access porn? So - 10 year old walks into a 7/11 and wants to buy a copy of 'back door badonkadonk' and we're ok with that? There's no such thing as appropriate age restrictions on sexual content?I think you're going to have a tough sell arguing that 7 year olds should have a basic right to watch gay 3 way sex if they want to. Edited February 21 by CdnFox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I don't believe that he could be considering this, sorry. I think governments haven't gone there for a reason, which is that pornography is very widely used and restricting responsible access to it has unknown political implications. So you've never heard of a pg 18 rating for a movie. Gov'ts have never done this because the internet is relatively new and it's kind of an emerging issue that's become more and more prevelant. I have to provide id to buy smokes - should we be allowing kids to do just whatever they want now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 The bill making its way through Parliament was introduced by Sen. Julie Miville-Dechene, an Independent Senators Group member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Man...I stand corrected on Pierre Poilievre's pivot. I have no words, other than LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: So you've never heard of a pg 18 rating for a movie. No... it's completely logical that because I don't want to scan my driver's license to a porn site to watch, I have NEVER HEARD OF A PG 18 film. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 It's like PP believes parents have special rights with regards to kids but no special responsibilities. Shouldn't he be coercing parents to install parental control software on devices and computers their kids use? Notice how parents are increasingly being held accountable for leaving their guns or drugs out where their kids can get them. This seems pretty similar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 (edited) So how does he propose to do that? Make you scan and remit your Drivers License and SIN card to log on? Add on how he just announced he's "against" transwomen in women's bathrooms, change rooms, team sports. WTF can he even do about that? Doubling down for the support of the social cornservatives over the voters of the center with more yap and half baked ideas? Pitiful. Does that mean that transMEN are ok in the guy's bathroom? Edited February 21 by herbie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, herbie said: So how does he propose to do that? Make you scan and remit your Drivers License and SIN card to log on? Add on how he just announced he's "against" transwomen in women's bathrooms, change rooms, team sports. WTF can he even do about that? Doubling down for the support of the social cornservatives over the voters of the center with more yap and half baked ideas? Pitiful. Does that mean that transMEN are ok in the guy's bathroom? No - they have to go into the woman's restroom. This guy will be legally required to use the little girls room at the showing of the Frozen & Encanto Disney on Ice show at the Calgary Saddledome, when your niece goes in alone... HEY LADY !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: No... it's completely logical that because I don't want to scan my driver's license to a porn site to watch, I have NEVER HEARD OF A PG 18 film. Ahhhh your old trick of bait and switch to tell a lie to prop up your position How typical You said gov'ts have never put age restrictions on such things. I pointed to the fact we already restrict audiences. And somehow you try to twist it to 'if i have to show id to watch my porn i've never heard of movies". Have you ever been honest in your life? Asking for a friend.So i guess that means you HAVE heard of age restrictions on content before and yet you're not crying about that! Care to explain or is 'hypocrisy' and 'dishonesty' sufficient? Edited February 21 by CdnFox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, eyeball said: It's like PP believes parents have special rights with regards to kids but no special responsibilities. The opposite is true. Because he knows they have responsibilities he's aware that they must also have rights. You're the ones who feel the state should be raising children, parents should just pump 'em out and turn them over and go back to work to make money for the glorious socialist empire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted February 21 Author Report Share Posted February 21 The parental control options exist on many routers and devices, on top of browsers and apps. You don't need the government to protect your children from adult content. You just need a brain and proactivity. I would hate to live in a society in which everything is tracked by our government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You're the ones who feel the state should be raising children Speaking for myself I think having a village help out is a better idea - it's in a better position to have a discreet talk with a parent on occasion. You're generalizing. You see states doing that a lot too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 24 minutes ago, eyeball said: Speaking for myself I think having a village help out is a better idea - it's in a better position to have a discreet talk with a parent on occasion. As long as it's a socialist village right? And as long as the parents don't live there. And as long as it's run by the gov't. Parents raise their kids, parents build communities with other parents. That's how it works. Let the parents do their jobs and stay out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 (edited) 29 minutes ago, eyeball said: I think having a village help out is a better idea - it's in a better position to have a discreet talk with a parent on occasion. The village may be a bunch of LGBTQ supporters. What good is that? Let parents raise their own kids and keep your nose out. Edited February 21 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 4 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: The parental control options exist on many routers and devices, on top of browsers and apps. Do you think that home is the only place kids can access the internet these days?!? Are you kidding? Quote You don't need the government to protect your children from adult content. You just need a brain and proactivity. I would hate to live in a society in which everything is tracked by our government. Somewhere between "Everything is tracked" and "Nothing is ever tracked" is a reasonable sane medium that makes sense. Protecting kids from porn sites is probably a good thing. And the gov't doesnt' 'track' you - they're saying the site must require you to identify that you're over 18 first. The site doesn't provide data to the gov't any more than a gas station does when it id's you for smokes. I get what you're saying - most conservatives don't want excessive gov't nannyism but in this day and age kids are on the net and having at least some protection against them accessing porn is not a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 27 minutes ago, CdnFox said: As long as it's a socialist village right? And as long as the parents don't live there. And as long as it's run by the gov't. Parents raise their kids, parents build communities with other parents. That's how it works. Let the parents do their jobs and stay out of it. So a village is an apple and a community is an orange? That's your position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 27 minutes ago, blackbird said: The village may be a bunch of LGBTQ supporters. What good is that? Let parents raise their own kids and keep your nose out. Boy, or whatever, is your nose ever going to be out of joint when you find out they're in your community as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, herbie said: So how does he propose to do that? Make you scan and remit your Drivers License and SIN card to log on? They made it clear that this wouldn't be the case. Also, Liberals voted against as this bill wasn't doing enough. I don't see whats wrong with requiring an age verification. Nobody in the history of the internet has ever put accurate info in this, when accessing something that they shouldn't. I see this as more hit piece than substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: So a village is an apple and a community is an orange? That's your position? I made no such claim - but in a somewhat related context i think you're a bit of a fruitcake sometimes. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: I made no such claim - but in a somewhat related context i think you're a bit of a fruitcake sometimes. So... You didn't have to - the ideological context you relate things to is as obvious as a jar of mixed nuts. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, eyeball said: You didn't have to - so what you REALLY mean is..... The only way you seem to be able to 'win' arguments is when you make up what the other person said "there's no need for you to say what you mean, I'll decide what you mean for you and argue that!" - eyeball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: so what you REALLY mean is..... No, it means exactly what it reads. REALLY. 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: "there's no need for you to say what you mean, I'll decide what you mean for you and argue that!" - eyeball. LMAO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: And somehow you try to twist it to 'if i have to show id to watch my porn i've never heard of movies". No, I was trying to understand the perpetual 3-point turn that comprises your logic. But we're done now. 🥰 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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