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4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

What a GREAT IDEA.  Let's force people to submit themselves to AI and facial recognition software...so they can watch their porn...

Nothing bad could happen.  🙄

No no, an even better idea is to allow young children to watch as much porn as they care to consume Unsupervised. I'm sure they'll grow up perfectly mentally healthy with a positive attitude towards women.

Did you have another way that you would prefer to have people identify themselves? The one I mentioned is by far and away the easiest at least likely to result in personal information breaches. But go ahead, let's hear your ideas.

Oh I forgot, you never have ideas.

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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Did you have another way that you would prefer to have people identify themselves? The one I mentioned is by far and away the easiest at least likely to result in personal information breaches. But go ahead, let's hear your ideas.

The one you mentioned was retarded, and the problem with it is obvious. 

My idea is for parents to pay attention to their kids, teach them right, and put porn blockers on their and their kids devices if they're convinced that Johnny seeing lady parts will him turn him bad.  As Michael said earlier, you don't have to worry about this sort of thing anyways, do you?  

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On 2/21/2024 at 12:48 PM, QuebecOverCanada said:

We're heading for more Internet control if Pierre Poilievre obtains majority apparently. It's super incoherent with his whole ideology of small government and limited intervention in people's lives. His whole shtick of protecting the children is also unconvincing.

VPN sales are going to skyrocket in Canada.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservative-government-would-require-id-to-watch-porn-poilievre-1.6777435

 

The headline in the link actually says:

"Conservative government would require websites to verify age to watch porn: Poilievre"

Verify age, not "require ID" as indicated in the html link. So the link, and title of thread are technically incorrect. Verifying age can be as basic as requiring a person to enter their date of birth on the site before entering. There are many, many websites in Canada required to do that by law now. You may know the ones I'm referring to.

Rather useless, as it can be easily circumvented. But there ya be. It's yer government in action.   🤷‍♂️

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

The headline in the link actually says:

"Conservative government would require websites to verify age to watch porn: Poilievre"

Verify age, not "require ID" as indicated in the html link. So the link, and title of thread are technically incorrect. Verifying age can be as basic as requiring a person to enter their date of birth on the site before entering. There are many, many websites in Canada required to do that by law now. You may know the ones I'm referring to.

Rather useless, as it can be easily circumvented. But there ya be. It's yer government in action.   🤷‍♂️

Requiring the websites to verify the age isn't the same thing as the status quo which is that users have to disclose their age before being able to watch porn. If it were the case that Poilievere only wanted users to disclose their age, Poilievre would have just said that the way things are done in our current day and age is fine. But it is not what's at play.

What is being referred to is the same laws we saw in puritanical America, where websites have to get an ID to allow users to access the website. It is the law in some States in the South and I think it's anti-freedom on many levels.

To be fair, the way the article was written is very confusing if you read it too fast. He said he doesn't believe in a Digital ID to verify the age of the users, but not that physical IDs would be used online for verification purposes.

Now imagine, porn sites would have this requirement.

Reddit has porn. Reddit is known as the biggest forum and one of the places where debating is taking place. Would it require an ID?

What about social networks?

This forum?

It makes easy to establish an even bigger surveillance State.

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No no, an even better idea is to allow young children to watch as much porn as they care to consume Unsupervised.

The parents can set up the router to be kids friendly.

The parents can have apps with parental control.

The parents can bring their kids to a sports team.

It's all on the parents' onus. Not on the government.

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On 2/21/2024 at 4:19 PM, QuebecOverCanada said:

The parental control options exist on many routers and devices, on top of browsers and apps.

You don't need the government to protect your children from adult content. You just need a brain and proactivity. I would hate to live in a society in which everything is tracked by our government.

Me too. But I think most people are ok with showing ID to buy porn. So how can we make proof of age, a momentary act over the internet and ensure the ID is viewed, confirmed and deleted immediately. 

Can you trust programmers to do that?

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8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Me too. But I think most people are ok with showing ID to buy porn. So how can we make proof of age, a momentary act over the internet and ensure the ID is viewed, confirmed and deleted immediately. 

Can you trust programmers to do that?

No, because the programmers always give a backdoor that is exploitable by black hat hackers and government agencies.

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Just now, QuebecOverCanada said:

No, because the programmers always give a backdoor that is exploitable by black hat hackers and government agencies.

True. The best one could do is make a law that could not be enforced. 

Maybe porn shouldn't be on the internet?

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13 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The one you mentioned was retarded, and the problem with it is obvious. 

 

So obvious in fact you can't explain why it's retarded :)   LOL!!   That probably means the solution isnt' the thing that's retarded, it's probably the reader :P

Oh dear - are you objecting just for the sake of doing so again and it's already going sideways on you? Tsk tsk :) 

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My idea is for parents to pay attention to their kids, teach them right, and put porn blockers on their and their kids devices if they're convinced that Johnny seeing lady parts will him turn him bad.  As Michael said earlier, you don't have to worry about this sort of thing anyways, do you?  

So your solution is to dodge the question and pretend that all children will listen to their parents and that children don't make bad decisions.

Have you ever heard of a cases where children, even good ones raised right, have ever done something they're not supposed to?

Obviously generally speaking parents should raise their kids right but as adults we recognize kids don't always make the best choices.  That's why we restrict access to all kinds of things.

You have no problem with people having to show id to buy booze or smokes but porn!!!!  How could we POSSIBLY hinder an adult from getting their online porn by asking for id!!!! It's the end of the world!!!!!  LOL

Yeash.

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

So obvious in fact you can't explain why it's retarded :)   LOL!!   That probably means the solution isnt' the thing that's retarded, it's probably the reader :P

Still the writer.  Anyone who's not mentally disabled should be able to see the problem.  If you don't, that's just comedy-fuel for the rest of us.  

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You have no problem with people having to show id to buy booze or smokes but porn!!!!  How could we POSSIBLY hinder an adult from getting their online porn by asking for id!!!! It's the end of the world!!!!!  LOL

I'd have a problem if a grocery store required me to scan my driver's license and submit myself to an AI facial scan just to buy booze.  I'm not too worried that the 19 year old at the counter is going to remember all of my personal details after a quick glance, and then record it in all in a database.  🤡

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1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Still the writer.  Anyone who's not mentally disabled should be able to see the problem.  If you don't, that's just comedy-fuel for the rest of us.  

LOL - so obvious you STILL can't explain it :) ROFLMAO!!!!

So that would mean you're mentally disabled i guess :)   LOL  man you have to be the special kind of stupid to say anyone who's not mentally disabled can see it and then not be able to explain it :)   that's just pure gold LOL

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I'd have a problem if a grocery store required me to scan my driver's license and submit myself to an AI facial scan just to buy booze. 

But they do. Your id and face is scanned by the chasheer when you buy.  What i said was no different except there's no driver's license involved and you only do it once when you set up your account.

So - you actualy have MORE restrictions buying booze and you don't have a problem with it.  So there you go.

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I'm not too worried that the 19 year old at the counter is going to remember all of my personal details after a quick glance, and then record it in all in a database.  🤡 

we'll then you'll be even LESS worried when you don't have to even show your DL to access your porn.  As i said - AI is getting to the point it can tell age just from the camera,  no dl needed.

Sounds like you're entirely on board with it then, it's even less onerous than buying booze which you're fine with.  Gee - looks like i was right yet again :)

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39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But they do. Your id and face is scanned by the chasheer when you buy.  What i said was no different except there's no driver's license involved and you only do it once when you set up your account.

There's no difference between a 19 year old cashier "scanning" my face and ID, and a camera with AI-driven facial recognition and data processing doing the same?

Thanks for proving your mental disability....again!  🤡
 

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6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

There's no difference between a 19 year old cashier "scanning" my face and ID, and a camera with AI-driven facial recognition and data processing doing the same?

Nope.  what would there be?  In both cases you're looked at, a decision is made if you look over 18, then once approved your face is forgotten. The law requires no permanent record of personal details to be kept.

Soooooo - what's the difference in YOUR mind?

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Thanks for proving your mental disability....again!  

ROFLMAO - Ok  there robosmith :)   You should start using caps for half your letters as well, he really seems to feel it's effective :)  

Dare i say i sense a hissy fit from you in the near future?

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15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope.  what would there be?  In both cases you're looked at, a decision is made if you look over 18, then once approved your face is forgotten. The law requires no permanent record of personal details to be kept.

The "law requires" means very little to the people who would abuse it.  You are a fraudster's dream.  "I need your credit card CCV# to complete your pizza order ser.  I promise I'll forget it afterwards."  🤣

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7 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Requiring the websites to verify the age isn't the same thing as the status quo which is that users have to disclose their age before being able to watch porn. If it were the case that Poilievere only wanted users to disclose their age, Poilievre would have just said that the way things are done in our current day and age is fine. But it is not what's at play.

What is being referred to is the same laws we saw in puritanical America, where websites have to get an ID to allow users to access the website. It is the law in some States in the South and I think it's anti-freedom on many levels.

To be fair, the way the article was written is very confusing if you read it too fast. He said he doesn't believe in a Digital ID to verify the age of the users, but not that physical IDs would be used online for verification purposes.

Now imagine, porn sites would have this requirement.

Reddit has porn. Reddit is known as the biggest forum and one of the places where debating is taking place. Would it require an ID?

What about social networks?

This forum?

It makes easy to establish an even bigger surveillance State.

The parents can set up the router to be kids friendly.

The parents can have apps with parental control.

The parents can bring their kids to a sports team.

It's all on the parents' onus. Not on the government.

The title to this thread is a lie.  The CPC has never mentioned wanting to require digital ID to watch porn or anything else.

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36 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The "law requires" means very little to the people who would abuse it.   

Then lock them up. If you're going that route you must distrust any store that uses interact - they can store and reuse that data if they would abuse it.

The system has to be set up that way so there you go.

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You are a fraudster's dream.  "I need your credit card CCV# to complete your pizza order ser.  I promise I'll forget it afterwards."

Sure because taking a picture is the same as your banking info.

Ever bought something online with a credit card? Yes? Hmmmmm. Well can't blame you, millions of Canadians do.

Sorry kiddo - you accept far worse than this every day in your life already and you're fine with it - but somehow this is just the most horrific suggestion ever.

Preeeeety obvious you're trying to create a problem that doesn't exist because you don't like where the idea came from. Rather than any legit concerns about it.

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43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Then lock them up. If you're going that route you must distrust any store that uses interact - they can store and reuse that data if they would abuse it.

Yeah, lock them up!  We'll get the RCMP chasing after sketchy Russian/Brazilian porn site operators we have no way of monitoring.  So easy! 🙄

As for Interact, stores don't get any of your personal data from it.  The banks knows who you are, but the vendor doesn't know anything about you unless the billing somehow requires it.  You can buy a $5000 computer on order and they never get anything but your name and maybe your address. 

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.  

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10 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Yeah, lock them up!  We'll get the RCMP chasing after sketchy Russian/Brazilian porn site operators we have no way of monitoring.  So easy! 🙄

Or just block the sites :)  

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As for Interact, stores don't get any of your personal data from it.  The banks knows who you are, but the vendor doesn't know anything about you unless the billing somehow requires it.  You can buy a $5000 computer on order and they never get anything but your name and maybe your address. 

They easily can.  It was a big scam and problem for years. If they're not going to follow the law then they can do that a number of ways. There's lots of stories about such things. The stores in some cases participate, in some cases it's just criminals taking advantage of those stores to steal info.

They can use hack software

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/retail-store-malware-identified-how-it-was-apparently-used-to-steal-credit-info/

Or skimmers

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/ca/credit-cards/how-to-spot-a-credit-card-skimmer/

Or a bunch of other methods.

Also - the websites don't get personal information from your picture. So it's still safer.

As usual you're wrong. Entirely.

You're trying to make up a problem that doesn't exist but its pretty obvious you've got no argument.  You just wanted the conservatives to be wrong and evil. Sorry - doesn't work that way.

 

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26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Or just block the sites :)  

So...like a porn blocker, that already exists for parents who want them?  But sure, it's probably better to get the government involved and have them tracking and verifying the privacy policy compliance of sketchy porn sites both in Canada and abroad.  🤡

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They easily can.  It was a big scam and problem for years. If they're not going to follow the law then they can do that a number of ways. There's lots of stories about such things. The stores in some cases participate, in some cases it's just criminals taking advantage of those stores to steal info.

Who ever argued that data/privacy breaches never happened?  Those stores didn't build up large customer databases  from people just buying things at stores.  They did so when clients signed up for store-credit, rewards programs, promotions etc.  Just swiping your credit card or your debit card gives a vendor almost zero information on you.  

The same goes for card-skimming.  Thieves are duplicating card info and copying passwords to make fraudulent transactions.  They're not even going to have your birthday.

I have to give you some credit though.  You shockingly at least tried to support your opinion for a change.  You failed miserably, but at least you tried.  🫡

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9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

So...like a porn blocker,

Except executed by the gov't for canada.  So nobody goes there.  You like porn blockers right?

 

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that already exists for parents who want them? 

Very few parents can actually block a site for all of Canada.  I'll explain how the internet works to you later.

 

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But sure, it's probably better to get the government involved and have them tracking and verifying the privacy policy compliance of sketchy porn sites both in Canada and abroad.

No, it would still involve that.  Unless you're just going to block EVERY for profit porn site in the world from Canada ,

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Who ever argued that data/privacy breaches never happened?  Those stores didn't build up large customer databases  from people just buying things at stores.  They did so when clients signed up for store-credit, rewards programs, promotions etc.  Just swiping your credit card or your debit card gives a vendor almost zero information on you.  

The same goes for card-skimming.  Thieves are duplicating card info and copying passwords to make fraudulent transactions.  They're not even going to have your birthday.

 

They're not going to have your birth day looking at a picture of your face either

You're starting to have a melt down.  You're not even making sense any more. There's no data to breech. Even if the company illegally kept your image all it would be would be an image.

You're losing your mind here for nothing (as usual).  There's no data - the stores keep vastly more personal information about you already, you have to actually show id to buy booze smokes or other things that are age restricted and your only argument is they might illegally keep your picture.

Sorry kiddo, you're just wrong.  As usual.

Is there ANY chance of avoiding the usual hissy fit?

 

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27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They're not going to have your birth day looking at a picture of your face either

No, they'll have your face, and with basic AI they can use that to search the net and easily locate your name, where you live, who your relationships are, where you work etc...

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're starting to have a melt down.  You're not even making sense any more. There's no data to breech. Even if the company illegally kept your image all it would be would be an image.

There it is.  You can't keep a debate going for more than a couple of posts without projecting.  🥱

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6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No, they'll have your face, and with basic AI they can use that to search the net and easily locate your name, where you live, who your relationships are, where you work etc...

ROFLMAO!!!!!  You have completely lost your mind :)  

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There it is.  You can't keep a debate going for more than a couple of posts without projecting.  

Hilariously and ironically - you're projecting :)

LOL - you're looking pretty stupid at this point, did you want to keep digging that hole?  Please - tell us all about how porn sites are going to use your picture to easily search the web and get your address, where you live and your relationships :)

What a fruitcake :)   well they say the left has more mental health issues, you're not exactly fighting that stereotype :)  

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