The essence of Trumpism

[myata]

It's quite simple, and please pay attention: objective and factual.

- First, it's the partisanship taken to its ultimate destination. To the point where the objective reality, facts and records don't matter and even do not exist if they contradict the preaching of the day or the doctrine. New "facts" are made up on the fly and need no verification or testing.

- Second, it's an obvious personality cult of the Idol. The test is very simple and it's confirmed each and every time one has to deal with the converts. Is critical perception still a thing? Can the Idol be wrong; or Heavens forbid, lie deliberately? Just try it. By this objective criterion, it is a personality cult, as clear they come.

- And the third is demonization of dissent. Discussion, difference of opinions, critical questioning are part of normal, civilized political discourse. Not in trampism, and that's a fact. If one is not cheering for every word of the Idol, something has to be wrong with them and they should fear repercussions.

One, two and three: all are clear and objective symptoms of an authoritarian cult. This is not a joke: it is a very serious matter and the consequences can be far-reaching as we know very well from the history. One cannot dismiss this reality and these concerns, no. One cannot participate in it lightly. It is not just another campaign and another candidate. Anything will happen and can be the first if it's not seen and prevented by the people of reason, integrity, will and resolve. The price of giving in to insanity will be high and quite possibly, irreversible: a total loss of integrity; principles and self-respect.

There's no obligation to descend into group insanity. It is not a given: only a choice. And you were informed.

Edited January 30, 2024 by myata

[Rebound]

Trump is old, sick, and he will die soon. 

The red marks on his hands are symptoms of syphilis, and so is his meandering, incoherent speech. It’s amazing that people are voting for this lunatic. I don’t know if he’ll even be capable of standing up and speaking by November. 

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Trump is old, sick, and he will die soon. 

The red marks on his hands are symptoms of syphilis, and so is his meandering, incoherent speech. It’s amazing that people are voting for this lunatic. I don’t know if he’ll even be capable of standing up and speaking by November. 

Don't make predictions unless you're sure of them, is my advice to you.

"Trumpism" must have been present, if inert, in the populace for him to come alive and harness it as he has.  Criticism as such strikes me as self-flagellation on some level.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, myata said:

It's quite simple, and please pay attention: objective and factual.

- First, it's the partisanship taken to its ultimate destination. To the point where the objective reality, facts and records doesn't matter and even do not exist if they contradict the preaching of the day or the doctrine. New "facts" are made up on the fly and need no verification or testing.

- Second, it's an obvious personality cult of the Idol. The test is very simple and it's confirmed each and every time one has to deal with the converts. Is critical perception still a thing? Can the Idol be wrong; or Heavens forbid, lie deliberately? Just try it. By this objective criterion, it is a personality cult, as clear they come.

- And the third is demonization of dissent. Discussion, difference of opinions, critical questioning are part of normal, civilized political discourse. Not in trampism, and that's a fact. If one is not cheering for every word of the Idol, something has to be wrong with them and they should fear repercussions.

One, two and three: all are clear and objective symptoms of an authoritarian cult. This is not a joke: it is a very serious matter and the consequences can be far-reaching as we know very well from the history. One cannot dismiss this reality and these concerns, no. One cannot participate in it lightly. It is not just another campaign and another candidate. Anything will happen and can be the first if it's not seen and prevented by the people of reason, integrity, will and resolve. The price of giving in to insanity will be high and quite possibly, irreversible: a total loss of integrity; principles and self-respect.

There's no obligation to descend into group insanity. It is not a given: only a choice. And you were informed.

What's fascinating is that a left-wing cultist started this thread. 

[Rebound]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Don't make predictions unless you're sure of them, is my advice to you.

"Trumpism" must have been present, if inert, in the populace for him to come alive and harness it as he has.  Criticism as such strikes me as self-flagellation on some level.

Nazism was present in the heart of Germany, too. I have faith in America.

[Deluge]

49 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Trump is old, sick, and he will die soon. 

Biden too. 

So who do you have in mind to take the cheater's place? 

[Michael Hardner]

32 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Nazism was present in the heart of Germany, too. I have faith in America.

You have faith in them to be America or Germany 1939 ?

The thing that chokes out fascism is openness and criticism.  People who declare that this time is worse than ever before and we are in times of crisis sometimes are correct, and other times are making a play for full control.

[godzilla]

Cult

"Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who tightly controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society)."

[myata]

Definitely outside of the norms of a normal democratic political discourse. Like in every other word, or maybe just drop "other".

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You have faith in them to be America or Germany 1939 ?

The thing that chokes out fascism is openness and criticism.  People who declare that this time is worse than ever before and we are in times of crisis sometimes are correct, and other times are making a play for full control.

This is quite true.   If you really study history, you will note that the rise in the populations support for the nazis was due directly to the communist and left wing violence of the time repressing anyone who disagreed.  Things like the red wedding (no - not game of thrones) incident really pushed people towards ANYONE who said they could bring  it to a halt, and hitler promised that.

We're repeating history a bit here. Many elements of the left  became all about cancel culture and 'punch a nazi' (and anyone who disagreed with them was a nazi) and violent protests whenever someone they didn't like wanted to speak at a university or anywhere else.  "antifa" began fascistly attacking people who held demonstrations they didn't approve of.

With the left going authortarian left the authortarian or 'far' right rises to meet it, and this is what ALWAYS happens.

We need to get back to some basics.  Both left and right have to appreciate that everyone has a right to speak and share their ideas, even if they're distasteful to you.  The solution to bad ideas is more discussion, not less.  Nothing cleanses like sunlight

And we have to bring back reason and get people's heads OUT of their echo chambers and get people looking facts up and away from confirmation bias.

The solution to most of our 'social' ills has always been honest if spririted discussion with mutual respect for each other as people if not their position and we find something we can agree on. Nowadays you just don't see that, and even the people who WOULD prefer that tend to give up on it.

[Deluge]

22 minutes ago, godzilla said:

Cult

"Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who tightly controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society)."

Cult

1

: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (see SPURIOUS sense 2)also : its body of adherents

the voodoo cult

a satanic cult

This describes the democrat party to a T. 

Edited January 30, 2024 by Deluge

[godzilla]

48 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Cult

1

: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (see SPURIOUS sense 2)also : its body of adherents

the voodoo cult

a satanic cult

This describes the democrat party to a T. 

talk about a sparse argument.

"led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who tightly controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion"

is that Biden? i don't think so. is that Trump? oh yeah!

[myata]

These days, right before our eyes the Republicans are betraying all and every claim, principle and ideal of defending freedom made since the foundation of the party. For the one and only cause: to play into the hands of non-stop lying buffoon Idol.

This how it will go in the history. There's no other way to see and interpret this. There may be no coming back to normality and sanity, after this. After betraying every single ideal and principle, what reason remains to exist other than to worship the Holy Buffoon?

Yes, you knew.

Edited February 1, 2024 by myata

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, myata said:

These days, right before our eyes the Republicans are betraying all and every claim, principle and ideal of defending freedom made since the foundation of the party. For the one and only cause: to play into the hands of non-stop lying buffoon Idol.

This how it will go in the history. There's no other way to see and interpret this. There may be no coming back to normality and sanity, after this. After betraying every single ideal and principle, what reason remains to exist other than to worship the Holy Buffoon?

Yes, you knew.

Giggle...

[myata]

Yes, you knew.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Yes, you knew.

What I know...is that you're full o' shit. You're driven by hatred and outrage that "The Big Bad Trump" beat Queen Hillary-Billary and is likely to beat Brandon now, after his term of constant failure.

Trump's first term delivered magnificent results for the American people and for the world. You can...and likely will deny that but...you'll just be p1ssing into a windstorm of reality.

Don't get too wet.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Giggle...

^Bankrupt AGAIN....

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^Bankrupt AGAIN....

[myata]

53 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

magnificent results for the American people

Like Un being "a very honorable person" sure. Like who wouldn't know about all the crazy, incredibly bizarre notions bizarre cult converts would worship, pray and chant? Like anyone could be surprised here. Yaaaaaaawn.

[Nationalist]

53 minutes ago, myata said:

Like Un being "a very honorable person" sure. Like who wouldn't know about all the crazy, incredibly bizarre notions bizarre cult converts would worship, pray and chant? Like anyone could be surprised here. Yaaaaaaawn.

Well you're certainly not.

But then again...you're a TDS victim so ya...there's that.

[myata]

Cult converts bounce the reality off their tinfoil brains with near perfect effectiveness. No chance for a connection. Not a slightest point.

[August1991]

On 1/30/2024 at 1:46 PM, godzilla said:

talk about a sparse argument.

"led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who tightly controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion"

is that Biden? i don't think so. is that Trump? oh yeah!

In effect,, myata, you are describing Biden.

[OftenWrong]

On 1/30/2024 at 12:48 PM, CdnFox said:

We need to get back to some basics.  Both left and right have to appreciate that everyone has a right to speak and share their ideas, even if they're distasteful to you.  The solution to bad ideas is more discussion, not less.  Nothing cleanses like sunlight

I concur.. Sunny wayz is a cult. So was Obummer. For every political action, an equal and opposite reaction. Or worse, usually.

Canada needs level-headed leadership. No cult, no celebrities. Bring on Poilievre.

As for US, the lying never stops. Just look at them. Even right here.

Keep that shit south of the border.

Edited February 3, 2024 by OftenWrong

[OftenWrong]

On 1/30/2024 at 1:46 PM, godzilla said:

Is that Biden? i don't think so. is that Trump? oh yeah!

Trump was elected, like it or not and he may well be again.

Back then after his first win, before he had done much of anything, I recall hearing people on your side screaming "Not my president!!"

Trump is not even the problem, he's a symptom. And he is not sick. But actually, you people are. The next guy, were he the same kind of a-hole like Trump but wearing your colours, you will totally lap it up.

Therefore 'Trumpism' is within yourselves.

Pass the popcorn, Edna...

 

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I concur.. Sunny wayz is a cult. So was Obummer. For every political action, an equal and opposite reaction. Or worse, usually.

Canada needs level-headed leadership. No cult, no celebrities. Bring on Poilievre.

As for US, the lying never stops. Just look at them. Even right here.

Keep that shit south of the border.

This post should  be put on a bronze plaque and fastened to the halls of parliament. 

It is completely underappreciated how true it is that extremism breeds extremeism.  Authoritarian left tends to breed authoritarian right as  a counter.  Putting one group on a pedistal makes all other groups hate them, it doesnt' breed inclusion.  All that crap.

Level headed no nonsense reality based instead of 'feels' based - that's what is needed.