Trump: "NATO is dead"

[myata]

Donald Trump told the president of the European Commission in 2020 that the US would “never come help” if Europe was attacked and also said “Nato is dead”, a senior European commissioner said. (The Guardian)

According to Breton, Trump also said: “By the way, Nato is dead, and we will leave, we will quit Nato.”

It that same strategy was tried back at the times of WWII, the West would have fallen piece by piece and we would be living in quite a different world now. Waking up to Nazi anthems. Quite possibly, in the North America too. A one-two calculation and no miracle interventions.

Just at the time when a new dark Axis of tyrants is rising, this sounds more, way more than his regular loudmouth bullsh*t: an invitation into collective insanity.

Once in a while, human populations like to give in to collective loss of sanity. Examples are just way to many to cite. There's something attractive in abandoning, leaving by the door that complex and awkward contraption called "intelligence" and just heading into a wild dance, no thinking, no responsibilities, just wave your hands and stomp, boom boom. In between, the civilization rekindles and we reach the level of advanced technology. What happens next? Kaboom!

Interesting from the scientific, medical point of view is the position of some Republicans: with one part of their brain, they write the bill to protect NATO; with the other, push for the out-of-bounds of sanity loudmouth clown who pledges to annihilate it. Was there a word for that? Go on.

And so, gerontocratic self-binding caution and indecision or plain out, in your face insanity? Which, which is the better one who could break the conundrum! This will be an interesting one to watch. What if it would go into our collective history as the final period?

There has to be a reason we couldn't find intelligent aliens, right?

And guess what? It's a leap one too!

Edited January 11, 2024 by myata

[Michael Hardner]

I doubt that he understands that NATO was part of a strategy that include economic goals for the USA.

Without military strength at the center. America's influence is widely diminished.

In the post war term, they lead and they speak first. That is because they are the superpower.

Edited January 11, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[Queenmandy85]

If anyone needed proof that Mr. Trump is a slave to the Russian despot Putin, this is it. Has the US gone crazy?Trump is the Moscow candidate and he will win. The rest of the world is going to lose.

[myata]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I doubt that he understands

He doesn't need to understand anything. He only needs a throat, a tongue and a large group in the population that is ready for the wild ride.

[Rebound]

There was collusion. 

Edited January 11, 2024 by Rebound

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

He doesn't need to understand anything. He only needs a throat, a tongue and a large group in the population that is ready for the wild ride.

"The" system depends on objectivity, which depends on leaders forgoing selfish goals for the greater good.  That value has left the public sphere.  If anyone who isn't a Republican tries to moralize they're accused of "virtue signalling"... but crying "it's for the children" "support the troops" etc. is somehow not.

This tribalism is a rot.

[Deluge]

12 hours ago, myata said:

Donald Trump told the president of the European Commission in 2020 that the US would “never come help” if Europe was attacked and also said “Nato is dead”, a senior European commissioner said. (The Guardian)

According to Breton, Trump also said: “By the way, Nato is dead, and we will leave, we will quit Nato.”

It that same strategy was tried back at the times of WWII, the West would have fallen piece by piece and we would be living in quite a different world now. Waking up to Nazi anthems. Quite possibly, in the North America too. A one-two calculation and no miracle interventions.

Just at the time when a new dark Axis of tyrants is rising, this sounds more, way more than his regular loudmouth bullsh*t: an invitation into collective insanity.

Once in a while, human populations like to give in to collective loss of sanity. Examples are just way to many to cite. There's something attractive in abandoning, leaving by the door that complex and awkward contraption called "intelligence" and just heading into a wild dance, no thinking, no responsibilities, just wave your hands and stomp, boom boom. In between, the civilization rekindles and we reach the level of advanced technology. What happens next? Kaboom!

Interesting from the scientific, medical point of view is the position of some Republicans: with one part of their brain, they write the bill to protect NATO; with the other, push for the out-of-bounds of sanity loudmouth clown who pledges to annihilate it. Was there a word for that? Go on.

And so, gerontocratic self-binding caution and indecision or plain out, in your face insanity? Which, which is the better one who could break the conundrum! This will be an interesting one to watch. What if it would go into our collective history as the final period?

There has to be a reason we couldn't find intelligent aliens, right?

And guess what? It's a leap one too!

NATO IS dead - What with all the woke nonsense it's infested with; it may as well be the North Atlantic TRANNY Organization instead. 

No, Trump is right, and he's going to need lots of bulldozers to clear out all the woke filth in this country - January 20th will be the beginning of early spring cleaning.  

Edited January 11, 2024 by Deluge

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I doubt that he understands that NATO was part of a strategy that include economic goals for the USA.

Without military strength at the center. America's influence is widely diminished.

In the post war term, they lead and they speak first. That is because they are the superpower.

"Get woke, go broke" is not a good economic solution and even our military will be diminished once you pink marshmallows transform it.  

Trump is right: NATO IS dead, but he can revive it - we just need to take care of our own backyard, first. 

[CdnFox]

Here's the thing that's a red flag for me.

Trump NEVER hides how he feels.  If he thought nato was dead, he'd be screaming 'nato is dead' in front of the cameras.

 So right off the bat this sounds like bullshit.

And it's not like the guardian is afraid to publish things it hasn't corroborated.

I  DO know it was widely reported that trump spend much time demanding nato members increase their spending and to make sure their military could participate in nato.  Odd thing to do if you want to wind nato down

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 Trump NEVER hides how he feels.  If he thought nato was dead, he'd be screaming 'nato is dead' in front of the cameras.

Not true.  Trump thinks people are suckers for giving their life for their country but doesn't say that publicly.

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not true.  Trump thinks people are suckers for giving their life for their country but doesn't say that publicly.

You've got Trump mixed up with Biden, Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer, etc. 

Get your shit straight. 

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You've got Trump mixed up with Biden, Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer, etc. 

Get your shit straight. 

Former Trump chief-of-staff confirms that Trump called fallen war dead 'losers' 
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-confirms-trump-statements-military-suckers-losers-2023-10
 

Quote

"A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all 'suckers' because 'there is nothing in it for them.'"

Kelly continued: "A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because 'it doesn't look good for me.' A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family — for all Gold Star families — on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America's defense are 'losers' and wouldn't visit their graves in France."

Up until Monday, Kelly did not comment on Trump's alleged statements, which were first detailed by The Atlantic in 2020. Per the Atlantic's reporting, the former president joined Kelly to visit his late son Robert Kelly's grave in 2017 and asked "I don't get it. What was in it for them?"

I think Kelly has it straight... does it upset you ?

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, myata said:

Donald Trump told the president of the European Commission in 2020 that the US would “never come help” if Europe was attacked and also said “Nato is dead”, a senior European commissioner said. (The Guardian)

According to Breton, Trump also said: “By the way, Nato is dead, and we will leave, we will quit Nato.”

It that same strategy was tried back at the times of WWII, the West would have fallen piece by piece and we would be living in quite a different world now. Waking up to Nazi anthems. Quite possibly, in the North America too. A one-two calculation and no miracle interventions.

Just at the time when a new dark Axis of tyrants is rising, this sounds more, way more than his regular loudmouth bullsh*t: an invitation into collective insanity.

Once in a while, human populations like to give in to collective loss of sanity. Examples are just way to many to cite. There's something attractive in abandoning, leaving by the door that complex and awkward contraption called "intelligence" and just heading into a wild dance, no thinking, no responsibilities, just wave your hands and stomp, boom boom. In between, the civilization rekindles and we reach the level of advanced technology. What happens next? Kaboom!

Interesting from the scientific, medical point of view is the position of some Republicans: with one part of their brain, they write the bill to protect NATO; with the other, push for the out-of-bounds of sanity loudmouth clown who pledges to annihilate it. Was there a word for that? Go on.

And so, gerontocratic self-binding caution and indecision or plain out, in your face insanity? Which, which is the better one who could break the conundrum! This will be an interesting one to watch. What if it would go into our collective history as the final period?

There has to be a reason we couldn't find intelligent aliens, right?

And guess what? It's a leap one too!

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Guess what? NATO is a toothless old hag that has put the west in an impossible position.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 Guess what? NATO is a toothless old hag ...

Could we pull off an invasion of Ukraine ?   

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Guess what? NATO is a toothless old hag that has put the west in an impossible position.

Stupid is as stupid does.

And you done stupid. 

NATO is what discourages Putin from attack US and that is why several new members are rushing to join. Duh.

[Deluge]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Former Trump chief-of-staff confirms that Trump called fallen war dead 'losers' 
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-confirms-trump-statements-military-suckers-losers-2023-10
 

I think Kelly has it straight... does it upset you ?

I think Kelly's a liar. That piece of shit actively worked against Trump in the WH, so obviously he made up that bullshit in order to make the President look bad. 

Honestly, Michael Softener, why are you whoring so hard for the Left? You still claim to be a Centrist, right? 

 

[godzilla]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

NATO IS dead - What with all the woke nonsense it's infested with; it may as well be the North Atlantic TRANNY Organization instead. 

No, Trump is right, and he's going to need lots of bulldozers to clear out all the woke filth in this country - January 20th will be the beginning of an early spring cleaning of sorts.  

wow, woke is so powerful... its like the only thing holding back one of the biggest armies in the world... Russia!

unless, its like missiles, tanks, warships and stuff. and has nothing to do with woke.

you woke fever man.

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. I think Kelly's a liar.  

2. Honestly, Michael Softener, why are you whoring so hard for the Left? You still claim to be a Centrist, right? 

 

1. Of course you do.  A credible, respected and honoured career military man speaks up and of course it's Trump who is being honest.   My god, man, what will ever change your mind...

2. Great name-call.. you should be working with Shecky Green with jokes like that... No I'm conservative... better sit down before you read that...

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I think Kelly's a liar. That piece of shit actively worked against Trump in the WH, so obviously he made up that bullshit in order to make the President look bad. 

Honestly, Michael Softener, why are you whoring so hard for the Left? You still claim to be a Centrist, right? 

 

You NEVER "think," you just reflexively invent and spew verbal diarrhea here in a vain attempt to defend Trump the Indefensible. 

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, godzilla said:

wow, woke is so powerful... its like the only thing holding back one of the biggest armies in the world... Russia!

unless, its like missiles, tanks, warships and stuff. and has nothing to do with woke.

you woke fever man.

Woke starts with people, wokezilla; I know that's difficult for a gun hating psychopath like you to grasp, but people are the reason wokeness exists, not missiles, tanks, warships and stuff. If wokejobs ever get control of the equipment, then the free world is f*cked. So let's just pray that cultists like you are kept far, far away from military equipment.

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not true.  Trump thinks people are suckers for giving their life for their country but doesn't say that publicly.

Well sure he has - he's talked about how he has no respect for POW's, he's insulted military people, etc etc. https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317

He has zero fear of saying it out loud and proud. 

So it seems pretty unlikely he'd be talking up nato to the cameras and claiming it was dead behind the scenes

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

There was collusion. 

And then some...

And meanwhile....

Inside a BDSM Dungeon with a Hillary Dom and a Guilty, Diaper-Clad Trump Voter

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The responses were prolific, and illuminating. She says she heard from several different general categories of people: There were the Trump supporters who felt guilty and ashamed, the misogynists who thought nothing would be more humiliating than being dominated by a woman, the liberals who despised Trump but were intrigued by this specific role play scenario.

There were also the Proud Deplorable submissives who relished even more in their deplorability than the rest of their ideological cohort. "Well, I'm voting for Trump, so smothering me with face farts is probably what I need for punishment," one such person wrote in a response to a Madame Hillary ad before the election. "I want you to fart up my nose so much that my face turns orange and my nose squeaks just like Trump's. I'll be sure to set up an appointment so you can fart in my deplorable basket that I call a nose."

https://www.vice.com/en/article/paepjv/inside-a-bdsm-dungeon-with-a-hillary-dom-and-a-guilty-diaper-clad-trump-voter

Edited January 11, 2024 by eyeball

[myata]

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

put the west in an impossible position.

Resisting a brutal thug bent on annihilating any lawful order is "impossible". What do you expect from them? Ready for insane: embrace insanity.

[godzilla]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Woke starts with people, wokezilla; I know that's difficult for a gun hating psychopath like you to grasp, but people are the reason wokeness exists, not missiles, tanks, warships and stuff. If wokejobs ever get control of the equipment, then the free world is f*cked. So let's just pray that cultists like you are kept far, far away from military equipment.

NATO is still kickin it then? i don't understand... why does Trump want to exit NATO? you said it was because they are woke... but you admit that they are kickin Russias ass. so why would Trump want to abandon NATO? because he doesn't want any Putin ass kickin? i don't understand.

[Michael Hardner]

Here's something from the MacKenzie Institute.  Note this is from 2019 before Russia started destroying itself in Ukraine