Ban Pro-Palestinian Demonstrations

[ExFlyer]

15 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The Palestinians should never be given their own country.  They should be driven off the land, never to return.

Sounds like hate speech.

You should be ashamed and reported.

But hey, you are you LOL

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, Legato said:

So eliminate that 41% then everyone's happy.

So, stop the fighting and force an election.

I suspect the Palestinians voted for Hamas because they were promised a lot....sort of likewe voted for Justin 3 times LOL

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37 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Sounds like hate speech.

You should be ashamed and reported.

But hey, you are you LOL

No, you should be ashamed by being a Jew hater. 

[eyeball]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

You'd think they were riots not protests. There's been little vandalism or destruction and almost no violence to speak of. Mostly annoyance and inconvenience.

Most of the 'Canadians' supporting them are so effing dumb they have no idea that they're supporting the terrorist Hamas, they think they're supporting the human shields as if they're totally helpless victims with no involvement whatsoever.

What's wrong with supporting victims who actually are helpless and uninvolved?  We're often reminded that Gazans support Hamas because they were elected 20 years ago - before half of Gaza's current population was even born. There's rarely any distinction made between then and now or Palestinians/Gazans/terrorists by Israel and its supporters.

In any case why the need for this pedestal of justification when there's an apparently legal article of warfare that says it's reasonable and acceptable for an army to blast it's way through any population that's in their way?  Maybe the best thing to come out of this, in the next hundred years perhaps, is that this article will be turned into a war-crime.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

As noted before, only 41% of the Palestinians supported and elected Hamas.

As noted elsewhere they pretty much all seem to now.  I'm not seeing a lot of "hamas should surrender' protests going on, are you?

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What's wrong with supporting victims who actually are helpless and uninvolved? 

You mean like the innocent people gaza slaughtered to start this war? The war that they're whining about even tho they started it?

Good question - makes me wonder why you support their vicious killers instead of the victims.

[ExFlyer]

46 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

No, you should be ashamed by being a Jew hater. 

Ha!!

Where do you get that from?? I don't hate jews and I don't hate arabs and I don't hate palestinians. I have nothing to be ashamed of.

What I do hate is zealots like you. Zero minded, eyes closed, brain dead, fanatical partisan dolt. .  LOL

Again, I could not care less what happens over there. I just like it when you twitch .

[herbie]

16 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

So you are ok with Palestinian activistto target and incite a mob to vandalise and damage Jewish owned business?

And what twisted imbecilic reasoning (it's black OR white, you're either 100% with us or 100% against us) leads you to conclude that?
Any recognition of Palestinians as human beings promotes hatred of Jews?

As simple minded as stating any disorder at all anywhere anytime any circumstance that you don't agree with should be criminally punished? (go ahead, deny you're a fascist}

[herbie]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What's wrong with supporting victims who actually are helpless and uninvolved?

Well it's kind of like wasting pity on people who insist on supporting political parties here too that do not have their best interests at heart. No one is entirely helpless.

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41 minutes ago, herbie said:

And what twisted imbecilic reasoning (it's black OR white, you're either 100% with us or 100% against us) leads you to conclude that?
Any recognition of Palestinians as human beings promotes hatred of Jews?

As simple minded as stating any disorder at all anywhere anytime any circumstance that you don't agree with should be criminally punished? (go ahead, deny you're a fascist}

Jews have integrated in Canadian life for 150 years, and do not cause trouble.

 

Palestinians have caused all kinds of problems, and brought their wars to Canada.

 

I say ban them, and deport most of the out of the country.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

So, stop the fighting and force an election.

I suspect the Palestinians voted for Hamas because they were promised a lot....sort of likewe voted for Justin 3 times LOL

And now we're living with the consequence of that decision.  See how that works ?  LOL

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Well it's kind of like wasting pity on people who insist on supporting political parties here too that do not have their best interests at heart. No one is entirely helpless

A measured quantifiable assessment of what passes for support for a political party here can't be equated to the support Hamas is said to still maintain in Gaza after the almost 20 year span that's passed since it's election. Of course saying it is becomes a politically expedient conclusion that justifies Netanyahu's policy of killing as many innocent people as it takes to achieve Israel's goals.

If Palestine was an ordinary country this conclusion could be tested honestly in a transparent election held to the same standards we hold our own.  That said a normal democratic country could also be expected to possess the sort of legal means in place for prosecuting crimes committed by terrorists operating within their jurisdiction.

I suspect climate change alone will settle the ME's issues long before Palestine is ever allowed to become a county.

 

[herbie]

No Palestine isn't a country, let alone a democratic one. Perhaps a national identity at best, with no coherent structure of government.

But if I was being bombed and lived 75 years of abject misery, I'd probably risk a Hamas bullet over an IDF bomb to make some kind of change. I mean, doing nothing and begging the rest of the world to fix things for you hasn't been very effective.

[Army Guy]

10 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Yes, the demonstrators want their own state, as was given to Israel. I have not heard they want all i=of Israel.

The deaths were validated by UN. "The World Health Organization says tens of thousands of Palestinians are fleeing central Gaza and Khan Younis, attempting to escape Israeli attacks. In Gaza, at least 21,110 people have been killed and 55,243 injured in Israeli attacks since October 7" and

"Hamas received 44.45% of the vote and won 74 of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah received 41.43% of the vote " Not so huge. Our PM won with only about 38% of the vote and Harper before that won with 36%

Look, I am not pro either side but it does make you wonder why all over the world there are demonstrations in support of Palestinians and not Israelis? And yes, there are radicals on both sides.

You should do some research on that, i think you'll find it eye opening... Why has Israel offered Palestinian  many times a 2 state solution, and they have refused...If they truly wanted their own state why did they not jump at that opportunity, becasue they are only interested in a one state solution, they want it all...there is no room for Israel in their solution.

No nothing has been validated, by the UN or WHO, separately or independently, becasue they don't have people at all the hospitals to confirm it, as freedom of movement is very restricted.... those numbers are reported to those organizations by HAMAS, which has a long outstanding record of reporting the truth, (sarcasm) IE rocket attack on hospital comes to mind...

With a majority, it would be safe to say what Hamas wants it gets...regardless of what the opposition party says...that and they rule by the barrel of a gun, so once again just how much say or influence does the opposition parties have...none...is my guess, 

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, herbie said:

No Palestine isn't a country, let alone a democratic one. Perhaps a national identity at best, with no coherent structure of government.

But if I was being bombed and lived 75 years of abject misery, I'd probably risk a Hamas bullet over an IDF bomb to make some kind of change. I mean, doing nothing and begging the rest of the world to fix things for you hasn't been very effective.

I'm sure there's better ways. If I was an Israeli I think I'd be inclined to risk negotiating a peaceful settlement instead of setting the stage for another 75 years or more of trying to subjugate and control millions of people who're really pissed off at the previous 75 years of oppression.

If I was being begged to help fix things I'd start where we helped break things 75 years ago.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I'm sure there's better ways. If I was an Israeli I think I'd be inclined to risk negotiating a peaceful settlement

ANOTHER peaceful settlement you mean. And to be honest - given the Palestinian history ANY peace deal is a risk just like the last ones were.

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instead of setting the stage for another 75 years or more of trying to subjugate and control millions of people who're really pissed off at the previous 75 years of oppression.

Or just get rid of them if they're bound and determined to be homicidal scumbags.

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If I was being begged to help fix things I'd start where we helped break things 75 years ago.

When has that EVER worked? like EVER in history? name once.

It never has. There are only two things that have ever worked historically - one side completely wipes the other out and scatters them to the winds OR both sides agree that what happend in the past stays in the past and it's time to move on and set aside their hate.

We fought the US in a bitter war.  Then we put it aside.  The us and mexico, same deal.

France and england had wars so long they named them after decades and centuries -  the 100 years war, the 30 years war etc till one day enough was enough. there's thousands of examples  in history.

Either palestine lets all that crap go 100 percent or they need to get wiped out.  Israel is going to have to let go of it's own hatreds as well.  That's the only way it works other than annihilation.

[Guest]

21 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I've seen dozens of examples

For which if crimes were committed, then am in full agreement that only those protesters should be punished for their actions.

21 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

then vandalising the shops. 

These people need to be denounced. If this group requests another permit for a protest, it should be revoked for and only for the group within the area that committed these crimes.

It however doesn't reflect on the group as a whole. I have witnessed tons of lawful protests from these people.

You're essentially telling me that being a law abiding black person is irrelevant. I should have to live down all the crimes the minority of my community commits. I should have to answer for this. Police should be tougher on people like me, because so many clearly commit crimes. 

This is the logic you're bringing to the table.

21 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

fully support these actions, when the organisers are encouraging others to persecute Jews

Good luck with that. Its a bad look for the police, and would turn a somewhat peaceful protest into a full blown violent riot.

You clearly have zero idea about crowd control.

Last thing you want to do, is escalate.

21 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

the protests should be declared illegal

As long as the message is legal, I don't see the issue. The illegal behavior is what should be seen and treated as illegal. Not words you don't agree with.

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, Army Guy said:

You should do some research on that, i think you'll find it eye opening... Why has Israel offered Palestinian  many times a 2 state solution, and they have refused...If they truly wanted their own state why did they not jump at that opportunity, becasue they are only interested in a one state solution, they want it all...there is no room for Israel in their solution.

No nothing has been validated, by the UN or WHO, separately or independently, becasue they don't have people at all the hospitals to confirm it, as freedom of movement is very restricted.... those numbers are reported to those organizations by HAMAS, which has a long outstanding record of reporting the truth, (sarcasm) IE rocket attack on hospital comes to mind...

With a majority, it would be safe to say what Hamas wants it gets...regardless of what the opposition party says...that and they rule by the barrel of a gun, so once again just how much say or influence does the opposition parties have...none...is my guess, 

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly and emphatically rejected a two-state solution."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

 

UN and WHO in Gaza

https://www.who.int/news/item/03-11-2023-women-and-newborns-bearing-the-brunt-of-the-conflict-in-gaza-un-agencies-warn

https://www.who.int/news/item/21-10-2023-joint-statement-by-undp--unfpa--unicef--wfp-and-who-on-humanitarian-supplies-crossing-into-gaza

Hamas is not majority. It won the elections with 41%. Problem is that there have not been elections since the first one. It is similar to Canada where we elected Trudeau with less than 40%....three times. So therefore all Canadians are pro Trudeau and the Liberals?

I keep getting questioned on my comments and seem to be defending hamas and I do not want to do that at all. I just want the realistic perspective to come out.

Both sides of this affair are culpable for the destruction and deaths.

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by ExFlyer

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 12/26/2023 at 11:21 PM, DUI_Offender said:

We need to ban Palestinians from coming into Canada. They are a menace to society, and are not compatible with our culture. 

The whole region of middle east with few exceptions not compatible with our culture. Canada must be a whole lot more selective. The next majority conservative government must take concrete steps to save Canada to become future Europe.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 12/27/2023 at 6:16 PM, ExFlyer said:

The demonstrations are in support of everyday Palestinians and the remaining people in Gaza. They are the ones that have incurred over 20,000 deaths and destruction of most of the homes and infrastructure.

Not everyone is Hamas or a terrorist.

Harper introduced??

What about the unprovoked violent attack of October 7?

I do realize that innocent civilians have been killed by Israeli attacks but Hamas is mostly responsible. Hamas members need two bullets, One between their legs for mass raping defenseless Israeli women and second in between their eyes for mass murder of defenseless Israeli civilians.

[CITIZEN_2015]

23 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Is it OK and retaliate by killing 20,000 primarily non combatants and women and children?

It is Hamas who is using civilians as human shields to protect themselves so it is responsible for the deaths. Israelis killed civilians which is regretable but do not target them on purpose as Hamas did, Hamas also committed violence against women for which they must all be shot in between their legs.

[Nationalist]

You silly people...pontificating about zionists vs Palestinians.

Both are scum and truly deserve each other.

Let them fight it out. Both will suffer during this war and both will experience protracted suffering after this war ends.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly and emphatically rejected a two-state solution."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

 

UN and WHO in Gaza

https://www.who.int/news/item/03-11-2023-women-and-newborns-bearing-the-brunt-of-the-conflict-in-gaza-un-agencies-warn

https://www.who.int/news/item/21-10-2023-joint-statement-by-undp--unfpa--unicef--wfp-and-who-on-humanitarian-supplies-crossing-into-gaza

Hamas is not majority. It won the elections with 41%. Problem is that there have not been elections since the first one. It is similar to Canada where we elected Trudeau with less than 40%....three times. So therefore all Canadians are pro Trudeau and the Liberals?

I keep getting questioned on my comments and seem to be defending hamas and I do not want to do that at all. I just want the realistic perspective to come out.

Both sides of this affair are culpable for the destruction and deaths.

 

Yes he did, but lets not forget Netanyahu is or was not the only PM...Netanyahu is not very popular and he should have stuck with the military...That being said Palestine has been offered on more than 4 occasions each one they refused...stating they would only agree to a one state solution...kind of hard to make peace with a group of people who are bent on your destruction...

Women and children bearing the brunt of the casualties is nothing new, it has been the case since man first picked up the club...What I'm questioning is the accuracy of Hamas reported numbers...they have a long record of exaggerating these numbers for propaganda purposes like the Hospital bombing, which turned out a Hamas rocket that wounded a few people , and did not kill 500... 

As for UN reports i think we have already established their bias in this whole issue... WHO does not have enough people on the ground to make accurate reports, so they rely of HAMAS figures as does most western media sources...

Hamas is the majority...if you check seat numbers, also if other reports are true, Hamas did purge a lot of opposition after they got in...As for Justins numbers they are apples and oranges, Justin does not have a huge army that has no problems killing people...for shits and giggles...Hamas is in full control of Gaza, and has influence in the west bank...to compare Canada's democracy to Hamas rule is not a good approach...as much as i dislike Justin, he is not a terrorist, or tyrant, he's not that smart...

[ExFlyer]

50 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What about the unprovoked violent attack of October 7?

I do realize that innocent civilians have been killed by Israeli attacks but Hamas is mostly responsible. Hamas members need two bullets, One between their legs for mass raping defenseless Israeli women and second in between their eyes for mass murder of defenseless Israeli civilians.

The one where 1200 people were killed and 200 taken prisoners?

Oh yeah, kill 20,000 and destroy thousands of homes, hospitals, schools and refugee camps to show Israeli is bigger than Hamas.

46 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It is Hamas who is using civilians as human shields to protect themselves so it is responsible for the deaths. Israelis killed civilians which is regretable but do not target them on purpose as Hamas did, Hamas also committed violence against women for which they must all be shot in between their legs.

Yup, 20,000, primarily civilians and women and children killed is regrettable.

 

[ExFlyer]

Just now, Army Guy said:

Yes he did, but lets not forget Netanyahu is or was not the only PM...Netanyahu is not very popular and he should have stuck with the military...That being said Palestine has been offered on more than 4 occasions each one they refused...stating they would only agree to a one state solution...kind of hard to make peace with a group of people who are bent on your destruction...

Women and children bearing the brunt of the casualties is nothing new, it has been the case since man first picked up the club...What I'm questioning is the accuracy of Hamas reported numbers...they have a long record of exaggerating these numbers for propaganda purposes like the Hospital bombing, which turned out a Hamas rocket that wounded a few people , and did not kill 500... 

As for UN reports i think we have already established their bias in this whole issue... WHO does not have enough people on the ground to make accurate reports, so they rely of HAMAS figures as does most western media sources...

Hamas is the majority...if you check seat numbers, also if other reports are true, Hamas did purge a lot of opposition after they got in...As for Justins numbers they are apples and oranges, Justin does not have a huge army that has no problems killing people...for shits and giggles...Hamas is in full control of Gaza, and has influence in the west bank...to compare Canada's democracy to Hamas rule is not a good approach...as much as i dislike Justin, he is not a terrorist, or tyrant, he's not that smart...

OK fine.

No need to try and convince me of any of the BS going on over there. I do not care for one or the other.

Yes, Justins numbers are the same as Hamas so, like I said, we all agree with Justin and what he does and says. No apples to oranges, Justin is in charge, just as hamas is in charge.

In my opinion, nuke the entire area and it will solve the thousands years old problem.

[Army Guy]

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The one where 1200 people were killed and 200 taken prisoners?

Oh yeah, kill 20,000 and destroy thousands of homes, hospitals, schools and refugee camps to show Israeli is bigger than Hamas.

Yup, 20,000, primarily civilians and women and children killed is regrettable.

 

This is one fact of war that everyone is having a problem swallowing...Civilians always pay the highest price in any conflict....add to the fact that Hamas is a terrorist network who use homes, schools, hospitals, refugee camps as shelter, places to store weapons, or launch attacks from...according to inter national law, and the conventions, doing any of these things these people, and places lose their protective rights, and can be targeted by military forces...

Once again these numbers come form Hamas and are unreliable.. but lets say for a second they are double those numbers what does it prove, what is your number in the sand, before you take some form of action....what is the number to get other nations to act...I'm afraid that if this does not play out fully, meaning hamas is destroyed, it's leadership dismantled this conflict will go on forever and the final numbers will be much higher than they ever would be if we finished this fight and wiped out hamas...Do you really think that hamas is good for the average Palestinian, would they be better off with them gone...would it give the people that want peace a chance at making this happen...

Below are the numbers of civilians killed during D day....one would have to ask was their deaths worth it in the end...note these numbers are attributed to allied fighting in the Normandy area.....they do not include those killed by NAZI's, or in death camps, etc...These numbers also just include Normandy landings numbers not any of those that would included in the liberation of France, which would be much much higher. You could do the same for any conflict...

 Estimated Norman civilian losses by Frederick Alexander Lindemann (Scientific Advisor to Winston Churchill) before the Battle of Normandy: 80,000 to 160,000 killed

 Total civilian losses in Normandy: 19,890 killed

 Civilian losses in Calvados region: 8,140 killed

 Civilian losses in Eure region: 5,750 killed

 Civilian losses in Manche region: 3,800 killed

 Civilian losses in Orne region: 2,200 killed

 Total number of homeless in Normandy: 300,000

 Cattle killed: 100,000 – Horses killed: 8,000

https://www.dday-overlord.com/en/battle-of-normandy/normans/losses

Edited December 29, 2023 by Army Guy