A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[OftenWrong]

55 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What is the downside to moving to renewable electricity generation? All I can see are benefits, unless you’re an oil company. 

There will always be some downsides. Those need to be honestly addressed and dealt with. Or else the plan breaks down.

And when the plan breaks down... we break down.

[Aristides]

Ah science, it sure brings out the trolls. Where would trolls be without the science that produced the internet and the devices they use to spread their manure. 

[Deluge]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

1. Florida's Sea Level Is Rising

And It's Costing Over $4 Billion

When the ocean rises high enough, high tides cause flooding even on sunny days. Even though the sea level has only risen by around 3 inches, tidal flooding has increased by 352% across Florida since 2000.

The state is planning over $4 billion in sea level rise solutions, which include protecting sewage systems, raising roads, stormwater improvements, and seawalls.

https://sealevelrise.org/states/florida/#:~:text=When the ocean rises high,352% across Florida since 2000.

2. BTW does Florida still require planners and engineers and such to seek psychiatric counselling for mentioning climate change in their reports?

1. No, I get that a bunch of diapered a$$holes think Florida's ocean level has risen 8 inches since 1950, but what is the state of Florida doing to address the problem? Don't you think dike placement needed to be started like, decades ago? 

2. To the contrary: do left-wing officials require planners and engineers and such to seek psychiatric counseling for NOT mentioning climate change in their reports? 

[Guest]

On 12/15/2023 at 2:27 PM, Rebound said:

• A gallon of gas
• A gust of wind
• A ray of sunshine
• A burst of volcanic steam

Technically, the gas. However, if your entire country is running off of gas, the hollowing out of the infrastructure and entirely rebuilding it would be vastly more expensive. 

A cost many developing countries could not afford.

Again. Who foots the bill?

On 12/15/2023 at 2:27 PM, Rebound said:

you have a large capital cost to build it

I see it like one telling a poor person pre-covid to buy a house, because it's "way cheaper than renting", and would be owned by said person. Totally ignoring the fact that they are poor and rent because it's the only thing they can afford to do.

[WestCanMan]

The title needs to be changed to: 

• An Election is Imminent, and the Dems need to Distract Their Voters from Biden's Dismal Failure, so They're Pimping Shiny BS like "Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent".

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

And you are part of the crowd that likes to argue my personality, not my post content.  

No, you happily stood up for a lie and then went on to call me a virtuesignaller or at least I think. I don't know. I didn't read the rest of it after the first few sentences.

[Aristides]

 

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I believe science as long as it tells me what I want to hear but it is a pack of lies if it doesn't

 

Troll Science.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Why would the economy tank?

It costs money to build windmills and solar power plants. But, it also costs money to build gas turbines and coal plants. Once built, the gas turbine and coal plants require continual fuel. The windmills and solar panels do not. Ever.

If you really want to check out some cool technology for renewable energy, check out Fervo Energy. It’s been started by a team of geologists who were fracking experts for the oil industry. They’re using fracking technology to create fissures in sub-surface, high temperature rocks. Then, they pump recirculating water through these rocks, creating steam, which drives a turbine. These plants can be built nearly anywhere, and they provide clean electricity without fuel. 

Marvelous! Today...the vast...vast majority of power is generated by burning fossil fuels. It's such a big deal that it forms one of the pillars of the global economy. Yet you don't see how making it harder to generate power could tank the economy. 

Go figure...

[Legato]

[Aristides]

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

 

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Edited December 17, 2023 by Aristides

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Troll Science.

Don't flatter yourself. There's no such thing as "troll science". 

There's actual science, which is of no value to you, and cultist propaganda, which is your forte. 

Eg: a sentence like "If you successfully vaccinate 85% of your country's population against a pathogen, deaths could go up by as much as 30%" has nothing to do with science. It's straight BS. Now ya know. 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't flatter yourself. There's no such thing as "troll science". 

There's actual science, which is of no value to you, and cultist propaganda, which is your forte. 

Eg: a sentence like "If you successfully vaccinate 85% of your country's population against a pathogen, deaths could go up by as much as 30%" has nothing to do with science. It's straight BS. Now ya know. 

Actual science comes from scientists, not YouTube and Facebook.

[Legato]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

 

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Pretty colours with zero explainable context.

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, Legato said:

A chart produced by a right wing think tank. Quell Surprise

 

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Pretty colours with zero explainable context.

Maybe look at the link. Or does NASA just peddle bullshit as well?

Edited December 17, 2023 by Aristides

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, Aristides said:

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

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I will be long dead before the world is unliveable. 

I don't understand why I should feel anxiety or shame for the state of the world. 

Wars are constantly fought which pollute immensely. 

The nature of man, will make it that you literally can't force people to change. All you can do, is bring about changes people will choose to get behind, and slowly phase out the other ones.

Shaming won't work.

Peopoeb

[Michael Hardner]

38 minutes ago, Aristides said:

A chart produced by a right wing think tank. Quell Surprise

 

Maybe look at the link. Or does NASA just peddle bullshit as well?

First question you would ask is why would they pick Christmas? The cherry picking at play is truly a work of art.

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

 

I will be long dead before the world is unliveable. 

I don't understand why I should feel anxiety or shame for the state of the world. 

This is another meeting nd baffling meme I see from time to time...

The same posters who post "we MUST THINK OF THE CHILDREN" when it comes to morality, change rooms and whatnot also saying "why should I care about the world??".

Ignore.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

The change required to stop these, requires us to change our very lifestyle to one of less comfort and less productivity.

This would have been so much easier when we only had half the population we do now. We knew that too.

In any case we still need to do these things only more so now.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Also, the idea that the temperature predictions are wrong is a lie.

The real temperature predictions used by the IPCC have been very accurate. People will quote the worst predictions they can find and use that as evidence that the accepted predictions are wrong.

I don't know that that's true. (which i suppose means i don't know that it's false) but my understanding was that they agree on a fairly broad range of possible outcome.  As in "temperatures may rise between 0 and 10 degrees by next year"  for example. Obviously exaggerated but the point is you can't really call a 'range'  "very accurate".

If i were to say 'based on your expressions here i think you're between 30 and 50" and you turn out to be 47 - i wouldn't say i very accurately guessed your age.

I haven't been closely following the science on this but several searches come up with an absolutely vast range of predictions, as well as a rather shocking number of "re-estimations", which you'd expect as models are refined in the beginning but less so later on.

Honestly - if you're being an objective observer it's very very very hard to accurately say if the climate models really are 'accurate' at all. If they were everyone should be coming up with very similar answers and the range of speculation shouldn't be so wide, or at least it sure feels that way

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Climate change is going to kill us all. ALL leftists, everywhere, please drop  everything, now, and get your asses to the caves. And for Godssake, breathe only when you absolutely have to! We don't want anything, anymore, polluting this precious marble we call Earth - it's really too frail to exist when you think about how long the human filth has been raping it. 

Thank you. 

Oh, and please don't forget your forest worship...

 

You really are dumb enough to think the climate cares about our politics.

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

2060

I will be long dead before the world is unliveable. 

I don't understand why I should feel anxiety or shame for the state of the world. 

Wars are constantly fought which pollute immensely. 

The nature of man, will make it that you literally can't force people to change. All you can do, is bring about changes people will choose to get behind, and slowly phase out the other ones.

Shaming won't work.

Peopoeb

I’ve had a good run as well but my grand kids matter.

[Legato]

55 minutes ago, Aristides said:

A chart produced by a right wing think tank. Quell Surprise

 

Maybe look at the link. Or does NASA just peddle bullshit as well?

Anything right of Castro a well known left wing mantra, attack the messenger.

When are you going to attack Nasa?

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You really are dumb enough to think the climate cares about our politics.

Politics cares about climate. Little people trying to understand big things and failing miserably.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This would have been so much easier when we only had half the population we do now. We knew that too.

In any case we still need to do these things only more so now.

Not remotely possible.  Like - zero.

So - best to move to plan b.   There are two things we could actually do. 

1 - We could put a fair bit of effort and money into adaptation. Build more dykes if we're going to get more rain, put in better water transport and irrigation if our praries are going to be dryer, step up our fire fighting capacity, make sure all people have air conditioners (make it a manditory part of building codes, just like having a furnace). etc etc. Get ready to cope as best we can.

2 - pour serious energy and resources into developing tech that is easy and cheap to adapt to that will either end our production of fossil fuels and/or remove the carbon it releases from the air. This involves carbon capture tech, new sources of energy, new electrical storage options,  next gen solar that is more than 20 percent efficient (which requires an entire rethink. )  Etc etc.   We can sell and deploy tech like that around the world if we develop it and then canada not only has a fincancial benefit but that is the ONLY way we can actually have any impact on climate change.

Either the left wing gets serious and quits treating climate change like a big game or we suffer the consequences.  You've made the wrong choices for 30 years now - time to start making the right ones.

Edited December 17, 2023 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We could put a fair bit of effort and money into adaptation

Adapt to what?

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

No, you happily stood up for a lie and then went on to call me a virtuesignaller or at least I think. I don't know. I didn't read the rest of it after the first few sentences.

That's your loss, you missed again. I am talking about far more than little insignificant you. But if you feel the need to self identify with any group for whatever reason, I am ok with that... fill yer boots.