Ten reasons why Socialism is wrong.

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Only crazy people define humanism like this.  

blackbird knows how it works, he's pointed out how God's ancient instructions can even be found in our own Constitution. There's a clear hierarchy here - God, His Supremacy, Ceasar and everyone/everything else. No exceptions.

Shit runs downhill not up because God in His infinite wisdom also created gravity.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's in Caesar's domain to determine what is or isn't essential not your's.

So you don't think the ordinary citizens have any rights at all?   Not even a right to question anything government does?   You may be right in the way things are in Canada now.  There are people in government who would like to take away your right to freedom of speech on the internet.  Since the Charter of Rights guarantees freedom of speech,  how is that possible?  Seems like rights are only what the government and courts give you otherwise they don't exist.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but democracy is not mentioned in the Bible.

Probably not.   However, the Bible supports Capitalism or free enterprise.  As I explained at the beginning, it does not support Socialism or Communism.

 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I don't like it anymore than you do but it just is what it is right?

Edited December 11, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Only crazy people define humanism like this.  

Humanism is just what it says, human thinking.  Human thinking is not God's thinking.  The world system will be coming to an end but God and his people will live forever.

[August1991]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So you don't think the ordinary citizens have any rights at all?

....

 

Fascinating question, but this OP should be moved to a different thread.

[Gaétan]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Probably not.   However, the Bible supports Capitalism or free enterprise.  As I explained at the beginning, it does not support Socialism or Communism.

 

Not christianism as you said

[TreeBeard]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Humanism is just what it says, human thinking.  Human thinking is not God's thinking.  The world system will be coming to an end but God and his people will live forever.

Humanism is concerned with human well being.  
 

Why don’t you care about the wellbeing of your fellow humans?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Fascinating question, but this OP should be moved to a different thread.

No, I don't think so.   This is a federal political issue.

Canada is in a struggle between totalitarian Socialism and freedom.

Edited December 11, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

48 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Humanism is concerned with human well being.  
 

Why don’t you care about the wellbeing of your fellow humans?

I do, but humanism is the wrong way.  Human ideology is an invention of men and not good for the well being of mankind.  Socialism and Communism are human inventions and not good for the reasons ten reasons given.

If you think Socialism or Communism is so good, why don't you move to a Socialist or Communist country?  

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I do, but humanism is the wrong way.  Human ideology is an invention of men and not good for the well being of mankind.  Socialism and Communism are human inventions and not good for the reasons ten reasons given.

 

That was your opinion but you were wrong: Jesus Christ was a pure communist and for him the use of money, the tool of the capitalism,  is criminal

Luke 22

³⁵ Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

³⁶ He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. ³⁷ It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’^[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

To comply with Isaiah 53

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[TreeBeard]

30 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Socialism or Communism

Only crazy people think socialism is the same as communism.  
 

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Human ideology is an invention of men and not good for the well being of mankind.

What is “human ideology”?

 

32 minutes ago, blackbird said:

why don't you move to a Socialist or Communist country?

I’m in a social democracy.  I like it.  
 

Only crazy people think those that like socialism also like communism.  Stop being crazy.  Or maybe see a therapist. 

[blackbird]

40 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m in a social democracy.  I like it.

Social democracy or Socialism opposes the traditional nuclear family.  You oppose the traditional nuclear family.

Socialists claim education belongs solely to the state.  You support the state having all the say and control and the family having no control over their child's education.

3. Socialists claim the state deserves the highest allegiance.  So you support the state being like a god and believe everyone should worship the state and be denied the right to worship the true God of the Bible.  You would remove freedom of religion as they do in places like China.

  Socialism is an evil ideology.  It should be opposed as much as legally possible.  If you want to follow the Devil instead of the true God that is your choice.

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Social democracy or Socialism opposes the traditional nuclear family.  You oppose the traditional nuclear family.

No, only crazy people think socialism says anything about the nuclear family.  My opinion is that you should have whatever family you want. 
 

37 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Socialists claim education belongs solely to the state.  You support the state having all the say and control and the family having no control over their child's education.

Public funding of schools don’t preclude home schooling or private schools.  Only crazy people would say that about socialism.  
 

38 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Socialists claim the state deserves the highest allegiance. 

Conservatives fly national flags more than anyone.  
 

39 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So you support the state being like a god and believe everyone should worship the state

No, I criticize the state and want to change the state when it’s wrong.  That’s the opposite of worship and religion. 
 

40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You would remove freedom of religion as they do in places like China

Everyone should worship whatever they wish.  That’s a humanist principle.  

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

So you don't think the ordinary citizens have any rights at all?

Well I suppose any that Caesar giveth us but like the Good Lord above him I suppose he could taketh them away at a whim too, as is his right. You don't seriously propose we defy Caesar or worse assume rights for ourselves do you? Wouldn't that be blasphemy?  

 

[Gaétan]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

Social democracy or Socialism opposes the traditional nuclear family.  You oppose the traditional nuclear family.

Socialists claim education belongs solely to the state.  You support the state having all the say and control and the family having no control over their child's education.

3. Socialists claim the state deserves the highest allegiance.  So you support the state being like a god and believe everyone should worship the state and be denied the right to worship the true God of the Bible.  You would remove freedom of religion as they do in places like China.

  Socialism is an evil ideology.  It should be opposed as much as legally possible.  If you want to follow the Devil instead of the true God that is your choice.

 

What you say come from the propaganda of richers who want to have all the money in the world and the citizens to borrow from them and work as slaves. You are either stupid, a rich or you work for them.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Gaétan

[cannuck]

Wow:  Juxtaposing a fruitcake religious cult vs. a fruitcake political cult.

No wonder we live in such a screwed up world.

NO government is sustainable without being able to administer a level of 
"socialism" to run social programmes that the religious freaks seem to think come down from "Heaven" or WTF you want to call it.   Similarly, no government is sustainable without being able to manage some of the "right wing" and "free" market mechanisms required to create the wealth that its socialist components need to distribute.

[Gaétan]

They call themselg christian but they ignore what Jesus taught. Jesus said to not put new wine in old barrel because everything is ruined, then you can't take into account what Moses taught

Edited December 11, 2023 by Gaétan

[Legato]

18 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

 take into account what Moses taught

and the Lord sayeth unto Moses "come forth" but he came fifth and won a teapot.

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

You don't seriously propose we defy Caesar or worse assume rights for ourselves do you? Wouldn't that be blasphemy?  

Would it be blasphemy to defy Hitler or Stalin when they were committing genocide against the people or the Jews?

Would it be blasphemy to oppose teaching little boys or girls that they can choose whatever sex or gender they wish to be?   I don't think so.  As long as one opposes or protests evil things in a peaceful way, he is completely within his rights.

Or what about teaching kids they can have premarital sex or sex at any age as long as they use birth control?  You think that is not taught to school kids?

Caesar does not have unlimited rights to do whatever he wants.  He too is subject to Almighty God.

[blackbird]

36 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

They call themselg christian but they ignore what Jesus taught. Jesus said to not put new wine in old barrel because everything is ruined, then you can't take into account what Moses taught

So you just throw out the ten commandments in Exodus or Deuteronomy? Thou shalt not kill,  thou shalt no steal, etc. is no longer applicable according to you?  

You don't think God's teachings in the Psalms, Proverbs, and other books of the Old Testament don't matter today?  What about the Old Testament prophecies telling about Jesus Christ?  Don't they have any value?

You need help from a good Bible believing counsellor. 

Edited December 11, 2023 by blackbird

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Caesar does not have unlimited rights to do whatever he wants.  He too is subject to Almighty God.

And Almighty God makes it very clear that Caesar is not subject to us or how we feel about him doing whatever he wants.

As I understand it there's nothing whatsoever in the Bible about God commanding us to overthrow or resit Caesar. Absolutely nothing.

 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

As I understand it there's nothing whatsoever in the Bible about God commanding us to overthrow or resit Caesar. Absolutely nothing.

Did I say anything about overthrowing Caesar or the government? Absolutely not.  

However, maybe you have not noticed we live in a country where we have the God-given right to freedom of speech and association.  We are free to criticize or condemn government laws and policies as we see fit.  Opposing government does not mean "overthrowing government" as you seem to think.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Did I say anything about overthrowing Caesar or the government? Absolutely not.  

More to the point, why the hell doesn't the Bible say anything about it?

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

However, maybe you have not noticed we live in a country where we have the God-given right to freedom of speech and association. We are free to criticize or condemn government laws and policies as we see fit

Cite, and a Biblical one please.

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Opposing government does not mean "overthrowing government" as you seem to think.

Sure, and look what happened to poor old Jesus when he resisted.

 

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

More to the point, why the hell doesn't the Bible say anything about it?

What is with this sudden interest in what the Bible says about anything?   I thought you were an opponent of the Bible?  Now you want me to spend time researching some point to tell you what the Bible says about it while you have no serious interest in knowing what the Bible teaches.  You must have some other motive for asking?

 

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Cite, and a Biblical one please.

Again trying to use the Bible for your own purposes.  As if you care what the Bible says.

Look up Romans chapter 13 in the New Testament.  We are subject to the authorities.   We also live in a democracy which includes the right to criticize any policy and vote for whoever we wish or whatever party we wish.

I can tell you there are many verses in the Bible that teach believers to stand up for the truth and speak against evil.  I haven't got them at my fingertips, but you can easily find them if you Google any subject and add the word Bible.  Or ask a search engine what the bible says about any subject.   That means Christians are to stand for the truth and oppose evil as they are led to do.

However, standing against evil or immorality is not what makes one a Christian.  That is another subject.  If you are interested in knowing what makes a Christian, read the gospel of John.   Becoming a Christian is the most important thing. That's what really counts.

Edited December 11, 2023 by blackbird

[WestCanMan]

On 12/9/2023 at 12:41 PM, blackbird said:

5. Socialism advocates a progressive income tax

In a socialist system, people are taxed based on their income. This is called a progressive tax structure. As an example of the influence of socialism in the United States, “The top 1% (taxpayers with AGI of $546,434 and above) earned 20.1% of total AGI in 2019 and paid 38.8% of all federal income taxes.

I'm not against a progressive tax, as long as it's reasonable (google "Laffer Curve"). 

I understand the need for taxation, as well as people's ability to pay. 

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm not against a progressive tax, as long as it's reasonable (google "Laffer Curve"). 

I understand the need for taxation, as well as people's ability to pay. 

We understand why we need some taxation for some basic services such as roads, police, fire department, etc.   But Socialism and Communism carry that to the extreme.   It requires a vast amount of money to pay for everything that every citizen would need to take care of him from cradle to grave if the government must pay for everything.  Food, shelter, health care, dental care, pharmacare, guaranteed income, etc. In order to enforce Socialism and Communism, government must not only enforce very heavy taxation, but they must control everything in life.  Micro-managing everyone's life becomes a natural outcome of an authoritarian government such as Socialism or Communist system.  That is the direction Canada is heading.  We have the largest geographical land mass in the world with a small population;  yet few can afford to buy any land to build on for a variety of reasons.  But government intervention and micro-managing at all levels is a big reason.

Edited December 11, 2023 by blackbird