Ten reasons why Socialism is wrong.

[blackbird]

10 reasons why socialism, Marxism are antithetical to biblical Christianity

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Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1848, relating it to what they called “scientific socialism.” The 20th century and beyond are fraught with examples of the embarrassing failures of both communism and socialism (i.e., The former Soviet Union, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Soviet-era Eastern Germany, to name a few).

Despite this dubious history, we currently have high-profile political leaders, like congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez promoting a form of Marxism called “democratic socialism.”

1. Socialism is against the biblical view of the nuclear family.

Marxists argue that “the nuclear family performs ideological functions for Capitalism — the family acts as a unit of consumption and teaches passive acceptance of hierarchy. It is also the institution through which the wealthy pass down their private property to their children, thus reproducing class inequality.”

Hence, socialism is against the biblical principle of parental rights related to their children and the prominence of the nuclear family (Genesis 1:28-29, Proverbs 22:6, Ephesians 5:22-6:4).

2. Socialists claim education belongs solely to the state

Marxist education aims at producing faithful citizens. Therefore, it is primarily an ideological tool to program children to be loyal to the state. In communist and socialist nations, education and the curriculum are controlled by the state and are not considered the responsibility of the parents. Models like homeschooling children would be illegal. This contradicts the biblical framework regarding parents being responsible for educating their children the way they choose (Proverbs 22:6; Deuteronomy 6:6-9).

3. Socialists claim the state deserves the highest allegiance

In many communist nations like the former Soviet Union and modern-day countries like North Korea and China, Bibles are confiscated, church buildings are burned, and evangelism is illegal. This is because they see Christianity as a rival religion to the authority of the humanistic secular state. This goes against the biblical command to put first God’s Kingdom and worship and serve Jesus as the only true Lord (Matthew 6:33; 1 Timothy 6:15).

4. Socialists believe in the abolition of private property in land and the application of all rents of land to public purposes

This is antithetical to the biblical premise of the individual right to own private property and the command for believers to create wealth to promote God’s covenant (Exodus 20:15; Deuteronomy 8:18; 1 Kings 20:6, Isaiah 65:21-22; Mark 10:39-21).

5. Socialism advocates a progressive income tax

In a socialist system, people are taxed based on their income. This is called a progressive tax structure. As an example of the influence of socialism in the United States, “The top 1% (taxpayers with AGI of $546,434 and above) earned 20.1% of total AGI in 2019 and paid 38.8% of all federal income taxes.

6. Socialism opposes the rights of a family inheritance

In a contemporary Marxist and socialist framework, either leaving an inheritance to children is not allowed, or the state confiscates much of the family inheritance through double taxation. This goes against the biblical principle of leaving an inheritance to children (Proverbs 13:22).

7. In socialism, the state attempts to control all communication

“In socialistic countries, centralization of the means of communication and transport is in the hands of the State.” In communist nations, people are not allowed to have freedom of speech. Violations can be severely punished.

 8. In socialism, a utopia comes from a revolutionary change from the outside in

“Marx’s utopianism lay in the aim of abolishing the distinction between state and civil society, and in the harmony he assumed would emerge.” This goes against the biblical principle that systemic change doesn’t start from the outside. Instead, it starts from the inside when people are born again in their hearts from above (John 3:3-8).

9. Socialism categorizes people as either the oppressed or the oppressors

The Marxist revolutions were started by inciting the so-called proletariat to overthrow the social systems of the so-called bourgeoisie, thus pitting poor and rich citizens against each other. This violates the biblical principles of justice and impartiality in which God commands us not to show favoritism to either the rich or the poor (Leviticus 19:15).

10. Socialists believe the Government is responsible for all social care

In socialist and communist countries, the state is responsible for caring for the poor and providing all goods and services necessary for citizens. They would conceptually view families, churches, and nonprofits as competition to the state if they attempted to do the same.   unquote

For the complete article go to:

10 reasons why socialism is antithetical to biblical Christianity | Voice (christianpost.com)

   Socialism basically is a system which controls every aspect of everyone's life.  The question now is to what degree has Canada become Socialist?

I know from experience the first question someone, usually a liberal or leftist, will ask is are you against the public health care system or all the services that government provides.

The answer is that is purely a hypothetical question and cannot be answered.  The reason is because we have no choice.  We now have the system we have and do not have the opportunity to try a non-Socialist system.  There is no alternative which makes the question hypothetical or meaningless.

 

Edited December 9, 2023 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

You are wrong because it is clear in the gospels that Jesus was a communist because he repeatedly said that the rich must share with the poor or go to hell. Everything that comes from the Old Testament is not Christian but Jewish. Christianity refers to the teaching of Jesus Christ, not Moses.

Jesus said this: Luke 5:36 New International Version

36 He told them this parable: “No one tears a piece out of a new garment to patch an old one. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old.

 

Matthew 9:17

New International Version

17 Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

 

He said that if you put what Moses teaches into Christianism it is ruined

[blackbird]

37 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

You are wrong because it is clear in the gospels that Jesus was a communist because he repeatedly said that the rich must share with the poor or go to hell..

Sorry, but you are completely wrong.

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WAS JESUS A COMMUNIST?

What Is Communism? Four quick points…

No private ownership of property; everything is held collectively by the people.

The state, the government, holds, plans, spends, distributes builds in the name of the collective, the people.

Every person works according to their ability, every person receives according to their need.

Workers aren’t exploited by owners who only care about profits.

Comparing this understanding of Communism, Jesus was not a communist.

1. Jesus would oppose Communism because He affirmed the Old Testament, which clearly affirms the right of private property, especially in the command to not steal (Exodus 20:15).

Matthew 5:17–19

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The New Testament also condemns theft, which implies the right to private property:

Ephesians 4:28

Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.

2. Jesus would oppose Communism because the Bible – which carries the message of Jesus – tells us that the family is the main economic unit for society, not the state.

The whole law of Moses distributed land according to family and was held in trust by the family – not the state.

1 Timothy 5:8 is a remarkably strong statement, part of the instructions for the support of widows where Paul stated that widows should not receive the financial support of the church if they had family that could support them.

1 Timothy 5:8

But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

3. Jesus would oppose Communism because the message of the Bible is of radical generosity and sharing among believers – but voluntary, free-will giving. There’s a big difference between koinonia (community, sharing) and Communism, and one of the differences is coercion.

4. Jesus would oppose Communism because the amount of state power and coercion and force necessary for a planned economy goes against the Biblical principle of freedom, of liberty.

The proclamation of liberty is a huge idea in the scriptures.

It’s for freedom that Christ set us free.

There’s a legitimate debate to have among Christians about the balance between freedom and security or freedom and equality – but the totalitarian state required to make Communism work is, in my opinion, far out of bounds in this debate.

There’s a reason why Communist states have been atheistic and have been violent, persistent persecutors of Christianity (and other religions).   unquote

Was Jesus a Communist? – LIVE Q&A with David Guzik – January 26, 2023 - Enduring Word

You said: "Everything that comes from the Old Testament is not Christian but Jewish. Christianity refers to the teaching of Jesus Christ, not Moses."

Here again you are incorrect.  I don't know where you got that idea. 

"1. Jesus Recognized the Entire Old Testament as Authoritative

Jesus’ view of the Old Testament can be seen by the way He used the Old Testament Scripture. He recognized the entire Old Testament as Scripture, He accepted the two main divisions of the Old Testament, the Law and the Prophets, and He quoted from fourteen individual books of the Old Testament."

What Was Jesus’ View of the Old Testament? by Don Stewart (blueletterbible.org)

From start to finish, the New Testament contains quotations, references, allusions, and paraphrases of the Old Testament. Sometimes, the New Testament follows the Hebrew text, in other cases, it more closely follows the translation into Greek of the Old Testament called the Septuagint. In my traditional Jewish upbringing in Brooklyn, New York, our family comfortably referred to “the Old Testament”, although many other Jewish people prefer to call it the “Hebrew Bible” or the “Tanakh”. Yeshua (Jesus) demonstrated intimate familiarity with the Tanakh when he spoke, taught, and served—often drawing surprising insights from the Scriptures."

Jesus’ References to Old Testament Scriptures - Jews for Jesus

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[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 

Matthew 5:17–19

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

He taught about the law to love your neighbour as yourself not the law of Moses: Here is your proof:

Matthew 7:12

New International Version

 

12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

 

t 22.39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

This is what the Jesus says: Rich must share their goods because if they would be poor they would like rich share with them. You can't have more communism than that. This the perfect rule of communism.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

He taught about the law to love your neighbour as yourself not the law of Moses: Here is your proof:

Matthew 7:12

New International Version

 

12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

 

t 22.39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

This is what the Jesus says: Rich must share their goods because if they would be poor they would like rich share with them. You can't have more communism than that. This the perfect rule of communism.

You obviously did not read the articles I posted.  The verses you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with Communism.  Loving your neighbour is an individual teaching on how you are to treat other people.  It has nothing to do with a government confiscating everyone's property to give to other people.  The commandment against stealing and other related verses should tell you that state-ordained stealing is wrong, i.e. Communism or Socialism.

[Gaétan]

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You obviously did not read the articles I posted.  The verses you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with Communism.  Loving your neighbour is an individual teaching on how you are to treat other people.  It has nothing to do with a government confiscating everyone's property to give to other people.  The commandment against stealing and other related verses should tell you that state-ordained stealing is wrong, i.e. Communism or Socialism.

Here what means to love your neighbour as yourself:

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This what Jesus tought all his live and accomplished and this is pure communism, communism is based on that,  To take money from rich and give it to poor. 

 

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[Legato]

16 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

This what Jesus tought all his live and accomplished and this is pure communism, communism is based on that,  To take money from rich and give it to poor. 

 

That's not correct, in fact that was Robin Hood.

[blackbird]

28 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Here what means to love your neighbour as yourself:

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This what Jesus tought all his live and accomplished and this is pure communism, communism is based on that,  To take money from rich and give it to poor. 

 

You are living in an alternate reality.

You have no clue what the Bible teaches or even what Communism is.

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The New Testament also condemns theft, which implies the right to private property:

Ephesians 4:28

Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.

2. Jesus would oppose Communism because the Bible – which carries the message of Jesus – tells us that the family is the main economic unit for society, not the state."

Scroll back up and read the information about what the Bible teaches.  You obviously never read it.  Why waste our time on here if you don't read anything and just keep parroting the same old nonsense.

[Aristides]

I think as a society we have an obligation to look after those who can't look after themselves, beyond that we only have an obligation to try and create an environment where everyone else can look after themselves.

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[Gaétan]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are living in an alternate reality.

You have no clue what the Bible teaches or even what Communism is.

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The New Testament also condemns theft, which implies the right to private property:

Ephesians 4:28

Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.

2. Jesus would oppose Communism because the Bible – which carries the message of Jesus – tells us that the family is the main economic unit for society, not the state."

Scroll back up and read the information about what the Bible teaches.  You obviously never read it.  Why waste our time on here if you don't read anything and just keep parroting the same old nonsense.

In the story of the rich and Lazarus the rich was sent to hell because he didn't share, and if a guy is rich it is because he stole his neighbour so there is no injustice to take from him and give it to poor. Luke 16, 

Mt 19 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

 

it is clearly mean that there must be Sharing the Wealth which is communism. Paul is not Jesus so don't take everything he says as granted. 

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[Gaétan]

38 minutes ago, Legato said:

That's not correct, in fact that was Robin Hood.

He was like God when the rich king was the devil right?

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, Gaétan said:

In the story of the rich and Lazarus the rich was sent to hell because he didn't share, and if a guy is rich it is because he stole his neighbour so there is no injustice to take from him and give it to poor. Luke 16, 

Mt 19 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

 

it is clearly mean that there must be Sharing the Wealth which is communism. Paul is not Jesus so don't take everything he says as granted. 

You totally misinterpret the Bible.  You never read the information I posted which explains it.   The charity that Jesus taught was speaking about individual charity, that is, giving to the poor voluntarily.  It never endorsed Communism which is totalitarian government taking people's property or money by force and redistributing it.  That is not what Jesus was talking about.  Do a little search on the internet.  Put Communism or Socialism and the Bible in a search window and read some of the articles.

Your interpretation comes from Karl Marx, not Jesus or the Bible.  Therefore what you are saying is complete heresy

You clearly have no idea what the Bible teaches.   You condone government stealing from those that have to give to others is Satanic and heretical.

You talked about a rich man and Lazarus.  That was about two people only.  Nothing about a Communist government or Socialist government taking by force from the rich to give to the poor.  Jesus never supported Communism.  Communism is an evil system that denies everyone's freedom.  There is no charity when people are robbed at gunpoint, which you support.

[blackbird]

21 hours ago, blackbird said:

3. Socialists claim the state deserves the highest allegiance

In many communist nations like the former Soviet Union and modern-day countries like North Korea and China, Bibles are confiscated, church buildings are burned, and evangelism is illegal. This is because they see Christianity as a rival religion to the authority of the humanistic secular state. This goes against the biblical command to put first God’s Kingdom and worship and serve Jesus as the only true Lord (Matthew 6:33; 1 Timothy 6:15).

If anyone is familiar with what goes on in China, they will know that there are pictures of Chairman Mao everywhere.  He is a kind of god. This is how the Communist Party forces the people to accept the Communist ideology and give it their highest allegiance. 

While China has permitted private companies, these companies are still all under the watchful eye and control of the Communist Party.  

It is clear the Liberal government in Canada believes similarly that they must control everything that companies do in Canada.  We see that control extending deeply into the energy sector under the pretext of fighting climate change.

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[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You totally misinterpret the Bible.  You never read the information I posted which explains it.   The charity that Jesus taught was speaking about individual charity, that is, giving to the poor voluntarily.  It never endorsed Communism which is totalitarian government taking people's property or money by force and redistributing it.  That is not what Jesus was talking about.  Do a little search on the internet.  Put Communism or Socialism and the Bible in a search window and read some of the articles.

Your interpretation comes from Karl Marx, not Jesus or the Bible.  Therefore what you are saying is complete heresy

You clearly have no idea what the Bible teaches.   You condone government stealing from those that have to give to others is Satanic and heretical.

You talked about a rich man and Lazarus.  That was about two people only.  Nothing about a Communist government or Socialist government taking by force from the rich to give to the poor.  Jesus never supported Communism.  Communism is an evil system that denies everyone's freedom.  There is no charity when people are robbed at gunpoint, which you support.

In a world of money, Jesus teaches to share it, but if he doesn't, what he has must be taken away from him and given to those who do:

Mt 25.28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

You see the good servant invested the money, created jobs then share his money with people and as some people doesn't do that their surplus of money must be taken from them and redistributed to create jobs of all kind.

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[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

In a world of money, Jesus teaches to share it, but if he doesn't, what he has must be taken away from him and given to those who do:

Mt 25.28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

You see the good servant invested the money, created jobs then share his money with people and as some people doesn't do that their surplus of money must be taken from them and redistributed to create jobs of all kind.

Jesus never taught to take away wealth or money from someone to give to others.  You are badly deceived.

The verses you quoted have nothing to do with Communism or Socialism or wealth redistribution.  .  Is is not talking about government taking anything from anyone.  It is talking about providence or possibly God taking wealth or spiritual gifts or grace away those who waste or don't use it properly.  There is nothing there about government seizing someone's money or property to give to to others for wealth redistribution.

" The Christian's spiritual forces are developed by being properly directed; Providence puts in his way added opportunities, and as he uses these he is more and more strengthened and replenished."

Read verse 29.  It says take a talent from someone and give to him that has ten talents.  That would be contrary to Communism.  In Communism or Socialism, everyone is supposed to be equal.  The idea in Communism is to redistribute the wealth to make everyone equal, not take from a poor person and give it to the rich.  That is the opposite of Communism. 

You ideas do not agree with the Bible which respects private property and says thou shalt not steal.

 The following Bible commentary explains those verses in Matthew 25:28, 29.

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Pulpit Commentary

Verse 29. - Unto every one that hath... abundance (Matthew 13:12). So we have seen in the first part of the parable. The proverb says, "Money makes money;" a man who has capital finds various means of increasing it; it grows as it is judiciously employed. Thus the grace of God, duly stirred up and exercised, receives continual accession, "grace for grace" (John 1:16). The Christian's spiritual forces are developed by being properly directed; Providence puts in his way added opportunities, and as he uses these he is more and more strengthened and replenished. From him that hath not (ἀπὸ δὲ τοῦ μὴ ἔχοντος). So the Received Text, probably from Luke 19:26; the best manuscripts and editions read, τοῦ δὲ μὴ ἔχοντος, but as to him that hath nat; this, followed by ἀπ αὐτοῦ at the end of the verse, is less tautological than the other reading. To "have not," in accordance with the context, signifies to possess nothing of any consequence, to be comparatively destitute, in the world's estimate of riches. Shall be taken away even that which he hath; even that which he hath shall be taken away from him. The Vulgate, following some few manuscripts, has, Et quod videtur habere auferetur ab eo, from Luke 8:18. The poor unpractical man shall lose even the little which he possessed. So the spiritually unprofitable shall be punished by utter deprivation of the grace which was given for his advancement in holiness. If applied to the special circumstances of the time and of the persons to whom it was addressed, the parable would teach that the disciples who recognized and duly employed the riches of the doctrine and powers delivered unto them would receive further revelations; but that the people who spurned the offered salvation and neglected the gracious opportunity would forfeit the blessing, and be condemned. Matthew 25:29

This could be referring to material wealth or spiritual wealth, abilities, knowledge, and saying the unwise or unpractical man shall lose even the little he has if he does not use it properly.   This has nothing to do with government ordained Communism.

Another Bible commentary (Barnes commentary) says:

"For unto every one that hath shall be given - See the notes at Matthew 13:12. This seems to be a proverbial expression. It means, whosoever rightly improves what is committed to him shall receive more, or shall be rewarded; but he that misimproves what is committed to him shall not be rewarded. In pecuniary matters in the literal sense of this parable they who improve their money by industry or merchandise increase it. They who do not who are indolent or vicious lose what they did possess, and it goes into the hands of the faithful and industrious. In the spiritual sense of the parable it means that they who are faithful shall be rewarded - not, however, that anything shall be taken from the unfaithful and given to them; and it means also that the unfaithful and indolent shall be taken away from their privileges and punished."

 

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[Gaétan]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Jesus never taught to take away wealth or money from someone to give to others.  You are badly deceived.

 

That what he says here:  Mt 25.28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags.

There is not really communism, it doesn't really change anything if the government run the money or individuals.

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

That what he says here:  Mt 25.28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags.

There is not really communism, it doesn't really change anything if the government run the money or individuals.

You have to read that verse in context with verse 29.  It is not talking about government taking money from anyone.  Neither is it talking about a person taking money from someone else.  That would be stealing which is condemned in the Bible.   Did you bother reading the commentaries and thinking about them?  You replied so fast I don't think you really read much and considered it.   

You said " it doesn't really change anything if the government run the money or individuals."   I don't think you really understand anything I've said.   Nobody, government or individuals, has the right to take money by force from an individual.  That would be theft.  That is what Communism or Socialism does.  It takes wealth by force from people.  That is very simple and basic.  Do you get it?

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[eyeball]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Nobody, government or individuals, has the right to take money by force from an individual.  That is very simple and basic.  Do you get it?

Ah but it's not by force at all because God's orders are to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. This means anyone who doesn't pay their taxes is a thief and a sinner.

[godzilla]

here's the thing you leave out. people don't make money by themselves in the forest. they use public infrastructure... electricity, roads, sewage etc. they rely on the stability provided by law and national defence. they make money from natural resources that they do not own. they employ labour that they did not educate. this is all on the public dollar.

so think of taxation as paying a dividend to the publics investment. our economy is by definition a mixed economy.

of course, politics is all about the money and who pays for that infrastructure that all businesses need to operate. if working stiffs who are taxed at source feel stiffed then they should! my income has come from a corporation that i own for 25 years now and taxation is a joke. taxing individuals at source is a criminal enterprise.

ps. only old guys are still afraid of communists

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[Gaétan]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You have to read that verse in context with verse 29.  It is not talking about government taking money from anyone.  Neither is it talking about a person taking money from someone else.  That would be stealing which is condemned in the Bible.   Did you bother reading the commentaries and thinking about them?  You replied so fast I don't think you really read much and considered it.   

You said " it doesn't really change anything if the government run the money or individuals."   I don't think you really understand anything I've said.   Nobody, government or individuals, has the right to take money by force from an individual.  That would be theft.  That is what Communism or Socialism does.  It takes wealth by force from people.  That is very simple and basic.  Do you get it?

Yes but Cesar or the bank of Canada gave the money to some people and the people who kept the money and didn't invest it was taken from him. The money doesn't belong to the people who hold it but to Cesar. The queen is printed on the money, not the guy who hold it.

[TreeBeard]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

Socialism basically is a system which controls every aspect of everyone's life. 

No one other than crazy people define socialism in this way. 

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Ah but it's not by force at all because God's orders are to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. This means anyone who doesn't pay their taxes is a thief and a sinner.

We're not talking about taxes for essential services. The topic is about Socialism and Communism.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

No one other than crazy people define socialism in this way. 

"socialism, System of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control; also, the political movements aimed at putting that system into practice. Because “social control” may be interpreted in widely diverging ways, socialism ranges from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. The term was first used to describe the doctrines of Charles Fourier, Henri de Saint-Simon, and Robert Owen, who emphasized noncoercive communities of people working noncompetitively for the spiritual and physical well-being of all (see utopian socialism). Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, seeing socialism as a transition state between capitalism and communism, appropriated what they found useful in socialist movements to develop their “scientific socialism.” In the 20th century the Soviet Union was the principal model of strictly centralized socialism, while Sweden and Denmark were well known for their noncommunist socialism. See also collectivism; communitarianism; social democracy."

socialism summary | Britannica

There are different shades and kinds of Socialism.  You can also have Socialism in different areas of life in a country.  In Canada, we have Socialism in the education system.  This is based on the humanist ideology that government knows what is best for everyone's kids.  Government believes that the nuclear family is not the foundation of society, but that government is now the basis of society.  It is based on the belief that government knows more than the parents about matters that the government has no business in.  Government also uses the education system to brainwash kids into believing that government knows best about everything and that it is best to regard the government as a god.  The education system in Canada is basically a pagan or heathen system.  

 

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[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

We're not talking about taxes for essential services. The topic is about Socialism and Communism.

It's in Caesar's domain to determine what is or isn't essential not your's.

Correct me if I'm wrong but democracy is not mentioned in the Bible.

I don't like it anymore than you do but it just is what it is right?

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[TreeBeard]

54 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This is based on the humanist ideology that government knows what is best for everyone's kids. 

Only crazy people define humanism like this.