OH CANADA, how low we've sunk

[taxme]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because it is WRONG to portray the bodies of the dead all over the internet to glorify hamas so that they can point and laugh

No one - NO one would think that.  what kind of sadist would you have to be to think that?

Thats why they invite people like kinsella, provide ALL the info, data and facts and pictures and vids, and then they can tell the world "Yes it happened" with minimal disrespect to the dead.

 It's only ghouls like you who revel in looking at the pictures. Then when you're done salivating and god knows what over the dead bodies you'll claim it's fake.

Oh FFS, go away will you. You are an Israeli Zionist suck. Disgusting indeed. 

PS: Maybe there are no pictures or videos to see that are of a serious nature like Hamas cutting off babies heads. I know that babies are dying in Gaza hospitals though because those hospitals have lost all their power to help run the incubators. I get that information from alternative news media websites that do not suck up to Israel like you do.

But hey, what more can be said. ?

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Unless they're israeli - in which case you want the big glossy photos, the video, and popcorn.

What a person you are.

Show me the beef, meat head? Most likely there are none to show. Uhmm? 

[ironstone]

12 hours ago, taxme said:

I do not live in Israel, so how would i know what rights and freedoms Israelis have. I am pretty sure that not all countries in the ME deny their citizen's rights and freedoms. There has to be some ME countries out there that do so. 

A cop-out if there ever was one. There are no real democracies around Israel. It ranges from outright dictatorships to very authoritarian to put it mildly. Gaza elected Hamas, but Hamas rules with an iron fist and an AK in the other hand.

[blackbird]

On 11/13/2023 at 4:59 PM, taxme said:

The world has been an evil place ever since your god created it.

Why are we born to die? What is the purpose of creating life and then destroying life?

Here is where you show you do not understand the Bible at all.   God created a perfect world, a paradise called the garden of Eden where he placed Adam and Eve.  They would have lived forever in paradise if they had obeyed God in one thing.  That is, not to eat the one fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden.  However, the serpent (Satan) tempted Eve and she did eat of it and gave to Adam and he ate also.  That was the end of the paradise and the fall from a perfect world to the beginning of death.

Since God created man and woman and the world; it is His prerogative to make the rules.  He is the Creator and in spite of what happened in the fall, he loves man and in his accordance with his plan, he sent His Son to redeem mankind.  

However, because of the fallen nature we inherited from Adam and Eve as their descendants, we have a corrupt fallen nature.  That means we are easily tempted to oppose God and do our own will rather than God's.  We are full of pride.  Pride is one of the deadly sins.  

Pride prevents men and women from acknowledging their sinfulness and evil nature.  Everyone thinks they are not as bad as some others.  This is pride.  Also, rejecting God and thinking we do not need him is pride.  Pride is deadly.

It is easy to just reject God and the Bible, but that is taking the broad road to destruction.  It is the narrow road that leads to life eternal with joy and happiness.

Edited November 15, 2023 by blackbird

[Aristides]

On 11/13/2023 at 5:05 PM, taxme said:

Oh FFS, go away will you. You are an Israeli Zionist suck. Disgusting indeed. 

PS: Maybe there are no pictures or videos to see that are of a serious nature like Hamas cutting off babies heads. I know that babies are dying in Gaza hospitals though because those hospitals have lost all their power to help run the incubators. I get that information from alternative news media websites that do not suck up to Israel like you do.

But hey, what more can be said. ?

Show me the beef, meat head? Most likely there are none to show. Uhmm? 

The Israelis have offered  battery powered incubators so the babies could be removed to somewhere else. So far they have been refused. Has your alternative news media told you that?

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Here is where you show you do not understand the Bible at all.   Man created a perfect world, a paradise called the garden of Eden where he placed Adam and Eve.  They would have lived forever in paradise if they had obeyed God in one thing.  That is, not to eat the one fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden.  However, the serpent (Satan) tempted Eve and she did eat of it and gave to Adam and he ate also.  That was the end of the paradise and the fall from a perfect world to the beginning of death.

So you're talking about collective punishment for what Eve did, she richly deserves the regret she's likely been going through ever since looking down on only God or Satan knows how many billions of human souls who are suffering eternal hellfire and damnation because of her. Adam too for sloppy discipline and not having maintained a firmer grip on Eve.

I imagine the billions of human souls who have to exist for the rest of eternity knowing how many of their loved ones and ancestors are suffering in hell because of Adam and Eve must makes paradiuse a pretty miserable place too.

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

So you're talking about collective punishment for what Eve did,

That should be clarified.  It is collective punishment only in the sense every individual is born as a rebel with a corrupt heart.  So everyone gets the justice that they deserve.  God is a just God and His justice is absolutely just.  All are guilty by virtue of the fact their parents sinned and passed their rebellious sinful nature to their offspring.  The Bible teaches every descendant of Adam and Eve has a evil, corrupt heart.

You might say universal guilt.  Because Adam and Eve were the head of the human race, the fallen corrupt nature which they had was passed upon all. 

You look at things through humanist eyes and reasoning, but forget that is not the way God looks at things.

God created man with a free will but man chose to disobey God.  There are things we do not understand or not completely, but it is better to trust God and his word rather than human wisdom which is often false or corrupt.

" 18  Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.  19  For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

Romans 5:18, 19 KJV

Edited November 15, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

I imagine the billions of human souls who have to exist for the rest of eternity knowing how many of their loved ones and ancestors are suffering in hell because of Adam and Eve must makes paradiuse a pretty miserable place too.

This article explains it better than I could.  Here is a part of the article.

quote

“Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12). The effects of the Fall are numerous and far reaching. Sin has affected every aspect of our being. It has affected our lives on earth and our eternal destiny.

One of the immediate effects of the Fall was that mankind was separated from God. In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve had perfect communion and fellowship with God. When they rebelled against Him, that fellowship was broken. They became aware of their sin and were ashamed before Him. They hid from Him (Genesis 3:8-10), and man has been hiding from God ever since. Only through Christ can that fellowship be restored, because in Him we are made as righteous and sinless in God’s eyes as Adam and Eve were before they sinned. “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Because of the Fall, death became a reality, and all creation was subject to it. All men die, all animals die, all plant life dies. The “whole creation groans” (Romans 8:22), waiting for the time when Christ will return to liberate it from the effects of death. Because of sin, death is an inescapable reality, and no one is immune. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23). Worse still, we not only die, but if we die without Christ, we experience eternal death.    unquote

The rest of the article is at:

How did the Fall affect humanity? | GotQuestions.org
 

[Guest]

On 11/13/2023 at 8:05 PM, taxme said:

PS: Maybe there are no pictures or videos to see that are of a serious nature like Hamas cutting off babies heads

I like how that's the benchmark for "serious nature".

Giggling while shooting and mutilating the bodies of concert goers doesn't count. They're young adults.

Torching cars with live people inside. Deliberately targeting women, children and the elderly.

Holding families hostage and killing children in front of their siblings. All good. Nothing to see here.

I don't know. I saw footage of the above, and that was enough for me, to know the brutality of Hamas.

That this had nothing to do with past slights, and more to do with wanting to destroy a sovereign state, and the people within it.

On 11/13/2023 at 8:05 PM, taxme said:

I know that babies are dying in Gaza hospitals though because those hospitals have lost all their power to help run the incubators.

Neither deaths are acceptable. But Israel did not initiate this volume of their ongoing conflict. They are responding to it, and are lawfully entitled to do so.

Doesn't make it right, mind you.

On 11/13/2023 at 8:05 PM, taxme said:

Most likely there are none to show. Uhmm? 

You're willfully being ignorant. I offered to PM you links. You refused to consent. 

I don't see why I would put raw footage for all to see and be distraught by, when you're the one acting like the evidence isn't there.

There's a reason its easy to find footage of Gaza.

The murders in Israel are so incredibly grizly, you can't show them on TV unless fully blurred.

There wouldn't be babies left to be crying, as they were slaughtered or kidnapped.

All I will show you are news reports from neutral sources, but if you want pictures and video, consent and make an educated decision on what you wish to believe from there on.

I can send you at least 20 video links. They speak for themselves. If you don't trust links, can send you website info that you can type yourself.

Am from Haiti. I have seen it all. 

With that said, some of these images affected me. And I have seen a hell of a lot of f***ed up things growing up.

Hamas is ruthless. There is no comparison.

[blackbird]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

I imagine the billions of human souls who have to exist for the rest of eternity knowing how many of their loved ones and ancestors are suffering in hell because of Adam and Eve must makes paradiuse a pretty miserable place too.

The main reason many people end up in hell appears to be because they spurned God's offer of mercy and forgiveness.

There are lots of people with misconceptions about hell and why many people go there.  This article debunks some of the myths:

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Myth 1: The devil’s headquarters are in hell. The devil is not in hell now. Hell, or the lake of fire (also referred to as the second death), will receive its first occupants at the end of our Lord Jesus’ millennial reign (Revelation 20:7–10). Also, hell is a place of torment (Luke 16:23–24; Revelation 20:10), so cartoonish images of prancing devils brandishing pitchforks while merrily dancing around a ring of fire are nonsensical. Rather than partying with his legions of demons, Satan will languish in hell.

Myth 2: Hell is reserved solely for the worst of evildoers such as cruel dictators and serial killers. While there are likely degrees of eternal punishment (Luke 12:47–49), all who refuse God’s mercy must endure His wrath (John 3:18). There is heaven, and there is hell; there is no third option. While this reality makes the average person uncomfortable, there will be more unrepentant barbers, plumbers, middle school teachers, bricklayers, airline pilots, and accountants in hell than tyrants such as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. Stalin will not be sent to the lake of fire because he murdered millions of his own countrymen; rather, Stalin, like the unrepentant librarian, will suffer in hell because he scorned God’s mercy and rejected Christ.

Myth 3: A loving God would not send people to hell. If, by “love,” one is thinking of an indulgent, enabling, misguided sort of sentimental affection, then there would be no eternal punishment. But God is not to be confused with a drowsy old man who winks at his grandchildren’s mischievous antics from a rocking chair. God is just (Romans 12:19), and He will repay evil with affliction (2 Thessalonians 1:6). Rather than accusing God of being cruel, we should remember hell is reserved for those who, by their own volition, snubbed God’s mercy (Hebrews 2:3). Salvation is a free gift for the asking (Ephesians 2:8–9), but the world is filled with those whose minds and hearts are so full of earthly matters they haven’t any room for what God would gladly give them. Ultimately, hell will prove to be a place for those who were willing to settle for less than God’s best.

Myth 4: A just God would not send people to hell. Of all the arguments against hell, this may be the weakest. Where else would a just God send rebels who stubbornly and steadfastly refused to repent of their evil? Even in our own sometimes corrupt criminal justice system, lawbreakers are sent to prison. Should a just God reward hardened evildoers with eternal bliss? Additionally, those who will occupy hell will be those who avoided contact, companionship, and communication with the One who made them. Why should we think the unrepentant sinner who ran from the presence of God here on earth would be happy in His intimate company in heaven?

unquote

What does the Bible say about hell? | GotQuestions.org

While this article seems to be very informative, I would caution you to remember it is man's interpretation of the Bible.  The Bible or Holy Scripture, that is, in English, the King James Version (1611) is the absolute truth and final authority.  It should be studied to know exactly what all this means.  Modern Bible versions have corrupted much of the Bible truth by changing thousands of words.

[blackbird]

On 11/13/2023 at 4:59 PM, taxme said:

And just where the hell is your god going to distribute all of the dead and soon to be dead? Ship us all off to some planet in the universe and start all this shit all over again? I have tried to make sense of it all, but all I ever find out is that this appears to be all bullshit to me.

I am not speaking about a materialistic universe in the afterlife or eternity.  God is a spirit and when we speak about heaven or hell, we are talking about something supernatural, that is, beyond the material universe.  That is the first concept you need to understand.  The supernatural realm is eternal and above the created universe.  So when speaking about heaven or hell, that is what we should be focused on, not the material universe.  The key word is supernatural.

Before God created the universe, He existed eternally, forever and God is a spirit that is present everywhere.  There are no limits to what he can do and no limits to the number of people he can deal with.  His power is infinite.

So God will have no trouble distributing the dead to their destined place.  Their souls and spirit live after death on into eternity.

"Hell is a place of misery and suffering; hell is where torment and anguish never cease (Revelation 14:11). Whether the flames are literal or symbolic of some even greater woe, we can be certain that all this world has to offer—money, fame, reputation, power, or sexual gratification—is hardly worth the forfeiture of our eternal souls (Mark 8:36–38)."

What does the Bible say about hell? | GotQuestions.org

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Millions of people down through the ages believed in God and Jesus Christ.  Many went into monasteries and convents in every generation since they began because they feared God and wanted to please Him.  They may not have had all their beliefs absolutely correct and many of them probably knew little of what the Bible actually teaches about many things, but they definitely believed in God and lived to try to please Him.  So what is all this nonsense in this present age claiming there is no God. This is an area where Canada has sunk so low.  Many of our leaders seem to be living and ruling as if their is no God to whom they are accountable.  They are fooling others and leading millions astray.

 Where else did the universe and all the extremely complex life come from?  Mathematical laws of probability show that evolution could not have produced life.  This is because the law of probability does not allow enough time for random chance processes to produce life such as an infinitely complex cell.  There are insurmountable obstacles that simply cannot be overcome.  There are a number of things within a cell that would have to be created at the exact same time to enable a cell to live and reproduce.  That can't happen by chance.  It is just too improbable and complex to happen at the same time. People think that complex things like cells can just "evolve" but they don't understand the complexity of these things is so great that it is impossible to happen by chance.  It required a infinitely powerful and knowledgeable Creator.

Edited November 15, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

"The soul and the spirit are the two primary immaterial parts ascribed to humanity in Scripture. Discerning the precise differences between the two can be confusing. The word spirit refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits. However, in Scripture, only believers are said to be spiritually alive (1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26); unbelievers are spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1–5; Colossians 2:13). In Paul’s writing, the spiritual is pivotal to the life of the believer (1 Corinthians 2:14; 3:1; Ephesians 1:3; 5:19; Colossians 1:9; 3:16). The spirit is the element in humanity that gives us the ability to have an intimate relationship with God. The word spirit refers to the immaterial part of humanity that “connects” with God, who Himself is spirit (John 4:24)."

What is the difference between the soul and spirit of humanity? | GotQuestions.org

"The Bible is not perfectly clear as to the nature of the human soul. But from studying the way the word soul is used in Scripture, we can come to some conclusions. Simply stated, the human soul is the part of a person that is not physical. It is the part of every human being that lasts eternally after the body experiences death. Genesis 35:18 describes the death of Rachel, Jacob’s wife, saying she named her son “as her soul was departing.” From this we know that the soul is different from the body and that it continues to live after physical death."

What is the human soul? | GotQuestions.org

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Many of our leaders seem to be living and ruling as if there is no God to whom they are accountable. 

Thinking that this is the one and only life we get to live and that the world is the only place we have so we’d better take care of it sounds like a much better way to live than thinking this is a place we can just wipe our dirty feet and the next place will be better.  
 

Why take care of this world or the people in it if there’s a better place waiting for us?

[PIK]

Seems now that the IDF opened corridors, and hamas stop the people. And the proof is there that hamas are using hosps as command centre's.  Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinians, they just want to kill jews. It's sad that so many people support hamas, they are pure evil. Israel has done everything to have peace, but Arafat said no to every deal. And hamas after slaughtering the leaders of the Palestinian authority, will never ever talk peace.

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Why take care of this world or the people in it if there’s a better place waiting for us?

It is not a question of one or the other.  The Bible commands us to take care of those less fortunate and love thy neighbour.  It goes without saying that we should be good stewards of this world as well.  That does not mean we worship Mother Earth, but we do what is reasonable to take care of it.

[TreeBeard]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It is not a question of one or the other.  The Bible commands us to take care of those less fortunate and love thy neighbour.  It goes without saying that we should be good stewards of this world as well.  That does not mean we worship Mother Earth, but we do what is reasonable to take care of it.

if this were the case, wouldn’t you care about climate change?

39 minutes ago, PIK said:

Seems now that the IDF opened corridors, and hamas stop the people. And the proof is there that hamas are using hosps as command centre's.  Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinians, they just want to kill jews. It's sad that so many people support hamas, they are pure evil. Israel has done everything to have peace, but Arafat said no to every deal. And hamas after slaughtering the leaders of the Palestinian authority, will never ever talk peace.

Do you think a baby in a hospital in Gaza should be cared for as much by everyone as a baby in a hospital in Israel?

If Hamas were hiding in an Israeli hospital, would you be in favour of blowing up the hospital and the Israeli babies to kill Hamas?  

[I am Groot]

On 11/11/2023 at 5:20 PM, taxme said:

Why are there so many members here that gives a shit about Israel is beyond me. If you love Israel so much, then why don't you go live there? A shitty little country, but hey, you should be happy living there. ?

Well, if I had to live in the middle east that would be the only place I'd want to go. It's the only place with honest police, an independent judicial system, and free speech. I know you hate it since it's full of Jews but that wouldn't really bother me.

[PIK]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

if this were the case, wouldn’t you care about climate change?

Do you think a baby in a hospital in Gaza should be cared for as much by everyone as a baby in a hospital in Israel?

If Hamas were hiding in an Israeli hospital, would you be in favour of blowing up the hospital and the Israeli babies to kill Hamas?  

No I don't. War sucks. But when Hamas broke the cease fire Oct 7th, they new Israel would come after them. Now Israel is not humting women and kids like Hamas did Oct 7th. Israel has done alot for peace,  including giving them 98% of their demands, but Arafat said no. If only he said yes, what it could be like today. 

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Well, if I had to live in the middle east that would be the only place I'd want to go. It's the only place with honest police, an independent judicial system, and free speech. I know you hate it since it's full of Jews but that wouldn't really bother me.

Also the only country that protects the gay population, where hamas and others would wipe them out. And hamas doesn't care about the babies or they wouldn't use them as shields.

Edited November 15, 2023 by PIK

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

if this were the case, wouldn’t you care about climate change?

No!   Man cannot control the climate.  Just adapt to it and be prepared for changing climate.

[taxme]

On 11/14/2023 at 5:48 AM, ironstone said:

A cop-out if there ever was one. There are no real democracies around Israel. It ranges from outright dictatorships to very authoritarian to put it mildly. Gaza elected Hamas, but Hamas rules with an iron fist and an AK in the other hand.

A cop out for wondering if there are any ME countries that have rights and freedoms for their people? Maybe there are no democracies around Israel, buy what about the rest of the ME? One can safely say also that  Israel rules with an iron fist with one hand and an AK in the other. 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

Here is where you show you do not understand the Bible at all.   God created a perfect world, a paradise called the garden of Eden where he placed Adam and Eve.  They would have lived forever in paradise if they had obeyed God in one thing.  That is, not to eat the one fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden.  However, the serpent (Satan) tempted Eve and she did eat of it and gave to Adam and he ate also.  That was the end of the paradise and the fall from a perfect world to the beginning of death.

Since God created man and woman and the world; it is His prerogative to make the rules.  He is the Creator and in spite of what happened in the fall, he loves man and in his accordance with his plan, he sent His Son to redeem mankind.  

However, because of the fallen nature we inherited from Adam and Eve as their descendants, we have a corrupt fallen nature.  That means we are easily tempted to oppose God and do our own will rather than God's.  We are full of pride.  Pride is one of the deadly sins.  

Pride prevents men and women from acknowledging their sinfulness and evil nature.  Everyone thinks they are not as bad as some others.  This is pride.  Also, rejecting God and thinking we do not need him is pride.  Pride is deadly.

It is easy to just reject God and the Bible, but that is taking the broad road to destruction.  It is the narrow road that leads to life eternal with joy and happiness.

Maybe this is why the Muslim religion tries to keep their women in the kitchen. Women can be trouble for men at times. But, thanks to Eve, men are all screwed now. Now we all have to die because of Eve. I hope that Adam kicked her in the butt for what she did. A sexist would say. LOL.

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Aristides said:

The Israelis have offered  battery powered incubators so the babies could be removed to somewhere else. So far they have been refused. Has your alternative news media told you that?

Maybe they have, I don't know right now? I cannot catch everything they say or do. ?

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I like how that's the benchmark for "serious nature".

Giggling while shooting and mutilating the bodies of concert goers doesn't count. They're young adults.

Torching cars with live people inside. Deliberately targeting women, children and the elderly.

Holding families hostage and killing children in front of their siblings. All good. Nothing to see here.

I don't know. I saw footage of the above, and that was enough for me, to know the brutality of Hamas.

That this had nothing to do with past slights, and more to do with wanting to destroy a sovereign state, and the people within it.

Neither deaths are acceptable. But Israel did not initiate this volume of their ongoing conflict. They are responding to it, and are lawfully entitled to do so.

Doesn't make it right, mind you.

You're willfully being ignorant. I offered to PM you links. You refused to consent. 

I don't see why I would put raw footage for all to see and be distraught by, when you're the one acting like the evidence isn't there.

There's a reason its easy to find footage of Gaza.

The murders in Israel are so incredibly grizly, you can't show them on TV unless fully blurred.

There wouldn't be babies left to be crying, as they were slaughtered or kidnapped.

All I will show you are news reports from neutral sources, but if you want pictures and video, consent and make an educated decision on what you wish to believe from there on.

I can send you at least 20 video links. They speak for themselves. If you don't trust links, can send you website info that you can type yourself.

Am from Haiti. I have seen it all. 

With that said, some of these images affected me. And I have seen a hell of a lot of f***ed up things growing up.

Hamas is ruthless. There is no comparison.

OK, go ahead and PM me? Let's see what you have? 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

OK, go ahead and PM me? Let's see what you have? 

Boy - nobody likes you or believes you do they. Why do you think that is?

[taxme]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

I am not speaking about a materialistic universe in the afterlife or eternity.  God is a spirit and when we speak about heaven or hell, we are talking about something supernatural, that is, beyond the material universe.  That is the first concept you need to understand.  The supernatural realm is eternal and above the created universe.  So when speaking about heaven or hell, that is what we should be focused on, not the material universe.  The key word is supernatural.

Before God created the universe, He existed eternally, forever and God is a spirit that is present everywhere.  There are no limits to what he can do and no limits to the number of people he can deal with.  His power is infinite.

So God will have no trouble distributing the dead to their destined place.  Their souls and spirit live after death on into eternity.

"Hell is a place of misery and suffering; hell is where torment and anguish never cease (Revelation 14:11). Whether the flames are literal or symbolic of some even greater woe, we can be certain that all this world has to offer—money, fame, reputation, power, or sexual gratification—is hardly worth the forfeiture of our eternal souls (Mark 8:36–38)."

What does the Bible say about hell? | GotQuestions.org

 

Just how the hell would you even know as to what happens to us all after we die? I believe that you know about as much as I know as to what and where we all go after death. Have you spoken to anyone who has died recently? What did they have to say? Come on, eh? Stop living in a fantasy world. Unless you have absolute proof that life will exist after death, I think that you should just cut your losses and stop trying to spread mis or disinformation. Some people have gone to the gulag for doing or saying things that cannot be proven.