Liberals (Temporarily) End Carbon Tax For Oil Heating

[Canadian_Cavalier]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-pause-carbon-tax-rural-home-heating-1.7009347 

Important: If you don't live in Atlantic Canada, there is a 98% chance this means absolutely nothing for you. It's also an admittance from Trudeau that families are struggling with the tax and aren't getting their money's worth. But of course, he only cares about the families in places that are electorally imperative for liberals. If you live in Western Canada, you get nothing.

 

[CdnFox]

I loved when they asked the minister straight out "is this becasue you're doing so bad in the polls?"  And they said "Naaaaaaaaaaw, totally coincidental"

The thing is this kind of half measure usually just winds up pissing eveyrone off. THe enivironmental types are still angry because you backed down, and everyone else is still mad because it's still on their fuel and inflation is so high etc.

And putting it off till right after the next election isn't terribly bright.

[myata]

Is there any rationale for the preference of oil over other types of fuel or just feeding their natural base?

[Army Guy]

The average income in NB is 36 k.... and a high percentage of older homes still use heating oil as a primary source of heat...the average income in Alberta is 127,000...see the difference...

[August1991]

There are 32 seats in the Maritimes - about another 30 seats in rural Quebec and Quebec.

This is an attempt to save the furniture.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, August1991 said:

There are 32 seats in the Maritimes - about another 30 seats in rural Quebec and Quebec.

This is an attempt to save the furniture.

That's about the size of it. They're trying to hold on to the region in the hopes they can keep enough seats to rebuild

[August1991]

In 1993, Mulroney walked away - it was a disaster.

In 1979, Trudeau Snr stayed on. It worked.

In 1984, he walked away - disaster. 

In 2015, Harper stayed. It was not a disaster.

 

[August1991]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

In 1993, Mulroney walked away - it was a disaster.

In 1979, Trudeau Snr stayed on. It worked.

In 1984, he walked away - disaster. 

In 2015, Harper stayed. It was not a disaster.

 

IMHO, Trudeau Jnr should stay for the good.

[herbie]

They don't have options there. Sister in NS switched to propane heat in 2013 as it was cheaper and " just a nozzle change for when LNG was coming". They're still waiting...

Won't mean anything in BC, for the few users of oil heat the carbon tax is provincial. Could get a bigger country wide support boost if they took off the GST on home and farm fuels.

Edited October 28, 2023 by herbie

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

They don't have options there. Sister in NS switched to propane heat in 2013 as it was cheaper and " just a nozzle change for when LNG was coming". They're still waiting...

Won't mean anything in BC, for the few users of oil heat the carbon tax is provincial. Could get a bigger country wide support boost if they took off the GST on home and farm fuels.

Yeah but they couldnt' afford it.  People are starting to get worried about how much they're borrowing, and what you're talknig about would take many many billions out of their pockets.

They've kind of painted themselves into a corner - if they cut spending they look bad and if they cut taxes they have to cut spending or look bad.

Not to mention there's a strong part of their supporters that they've  utterly brainwashed into thinking carbon tax on fuel is the be all end all, and they won't be happy with reducing it on anything.

[Moonlight Graham]

Atlantic Canada are Liberal supporters but are polling CPC now.   They want those votes back

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Atlantic Canada are Liberal supporters but are polling CPC now.   They want those votes back

Now if we can get the rest of the country polling CPC we can retire Justin and his failed gang of monkeys, destroy the liberal party, maybe even smash the NDP at the same time...lets not forget the greens only becasue it's time for her to go home and relax for good...

[BeaverFever]

On 10/27/2023 at 5:49 PM, CdnFox said:

I loved when they asked the minister straight out "is this becasue you're doing so bad in the polls?"  And they said "Naaaaaaaaaaw, totally coincidental"

The thing is this kind of half measure usually just winds up pissing eveyrone off. THe enivironmental types are still angry because you backed down, and everyone else is still mad because it's still on their fuel and inflation is so high etc.

And putting it off till right after the next election isn't terribly bright.

Agree. Everything the liberals say and do these days smacks of desperation.  Stunts like this aren’t going to reverse or prevent negative opinions of them.
 

The only policy change that could even have a snowball’s chance in hell of reversing their fortunes would be a big Hail Mary play like launching a national pharmacare program but I don’t think that they’ve got enough gas in the tank (financially or politically) to pull that off right now. Perhaps that’s the carrot they’re waiting to dangle at the next election but since they’ve already dangled it once before and only to cast it aside, it might not work on voters the second time. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Agree. Everything the liberals say and do these days smacks of desperation.  Stunts like this aren’t going to reverse or prevent negative opinions of them.
 

The only policy change that could even have a snowball’s chance in hell of reversing their fortunes would be a big Hail Mary play like launching a national pharmacare program but I don’t think that they’ve got enough gas in the tank (financially or politically) to pull that off right now. Perhaps that’s the carrot they’re waiting to dangle at the next election but since they’ve already dangled it once before and only to cast it aside, it might not work on voters the second time. 

I think they're looking for that 'next big thing' to dangle.  They're doing research into UBI ,they're doing a lof of polling,  i suspect that they'll try two or three hail mary's at the end hoping something sticks, and then also trot out the divisive stuff - guns and abortion etc. They're already setting the stage there too

[Jack9000]

as a atlantic canadian I am happy about this will help alot of people in our area.. the heat pump could of came sooner though  we put one in last summer and  stuck paying for it for next 4 years on the powerbill while others will get one for free haha oh well. 

[Aristides]

On 10/27/2023 at 8:45 PM, herbie said:

They don't have options there. Sister in NS switched to propane heat in 2013 as it was cheaper and " just a nozzle change for when LNG was coming". They're still waiting...

Won't mean anything in BC, for the few users of oil heat the carbon tax is provincial. Could get a bigger country wide support boost if they took off the GST on home and farm fuels.

The carbon tax in BC is now more than the cost of gas. Gas cost 3.159 per GJ. Carbon tax 3.238 per GJ. Plus Clean Energy Levy plus GST.

[herbie]

45 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The carbon tax in BC is now more than the cost of gas. Gas cost 3.159 per GJ. Carbon tax 3.238 per GJ. Plus Clean Energy Levy plus GST.

Oh.

I here the Feds are trying to come up with something arrangement for the 1.8% of BC residents who still use home heating oil. I wouldn't waste much effort as all those live rural and vote Tory or NDP anyway. Or they dump the diesel from their big rigs into their home oil tanks and write it off 100% as a business cost.

[CdnFox]

Well this whole thing is going over like a lead b balloon.

 

https://archive.ph/BwEKo

The Liberals’ credibility on the carbon tax has gone up in smoke

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by CdnFox