CdnFox Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: In April they had worked out some sort of deal. Russia began removing their hold on Kiev in...April. Coincidentally...Boris the shithead paid a weekend visit to Zelinsky shortly after both in...April. The Russians have now decided to increase the bombardment of Kherson. This should not be happening. It did have to happen. Sometimes I think these "leaders" actually want to bring about the war to end all wars. You two need to keep that to one of the russian threads. We've got too man y wars on right now - I sat down this morningm hadn't had my coffee yet read your post and i'm like "Why in the hell is isreal bombing kiev!?!?!?!" 2 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted October 19, 2023 Author Report Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: No likely we won't see. Israel is chickening out to enter Gaza. Hamas will be strengthen not weakened and certainly not eliminated by aerial bombardment of defenseless civilian population in Gaza. My wife and I are having this very discussion. For different reasons mind you. Is Israel "justified" in attacking Hamas in Gaza in retaliation? Yes. Should Israel implement a slow death of Hamas? Or should they carpet bomb it all and take it over completely? Hmmm... In the north of Israel are a bunch of armed and angry Arabs who are just waiting for an opportunity to kill Israelis. If Israel moves in to Gaza and takes the time and expends the troops, to try to kill only Hamas activists...Hezbolah has said they will attack in the north. Now Israel has a 2-front war. But if Israel carpet bombs it, Hezbolah will still attack but Israel now has a 1-front war. Take your pick. Lets say you live in Israel. You go upstairs tonight and tuck your kids in bed. Your home...your family...faces death at the hands of Arabs who hate their guts. Now...which solution is more...agreeable to you...standing there watching your kids sleep... Edited October 19, 2023 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted October 19, 2023 Author Report Posted October 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You two need to keep that to one of the russian threads. We've got too man y wars on right now - I sat down this morningm hadn't had my coffee yet read your post and i'm like "Why in the hell is isreal bombing kiev!?!?!?!" sorry... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 19, 2023 Report Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And? That's who did it. No hamas, no missile hit on hospital. I get that you have this whole 'cut off the head of the snake thing going on and sure, that's valid, but these orgs still have weapons and missiles today and still have to be dealt with regardless. What I was saying is very clear to most. I am saying that help Iran nation to remove the terrorist barbaric Islamic regime and then all terrorism including Hamas and Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad will end too. They will have no money, no weapons, no support and they die without a single shot. That was what I meant by saying go after the head of Octopus (not snake) instead of one of the legs. No military action in Iran though. Edited October 19, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Nationalist Posted October 20, 2023 Author Report Posted October 20, 2023 19 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: What I was saying is very clear to most. I am saying that help Iran nation to remove the terrorist barbaric Islamic regime and then all terrorism including Hamas and Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad will end too. They will have no money, no weapons, no support and they die without a single shot. That was what I meant by saying go after the head of Octopus (not snake) instead of one of the legs. No military action in Iran though. Cut off the head of Iran...but no military action. Do you think before you post? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 20, 2023 Report Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Cut off the head of Iran...but no military action. Do you think before you post? I have told you twice how. You had asked this question before. The eight principals that I posted. No not military intervention. There are many other ways to topple evil regime. The only way for peace and security in mid east and the world is to CUT THE HEAD OF OCTOPUS, THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC. Its legs will die all over the world. To start with, do not feed the regime, Last month Biden administration released 6 billion dollars to the regime. The Islamic regime will use this money to oppress its oppressed nation more and crash the Woman Life Freedom revolution which is in progress in Iran since last year. Second, block Iran's oil export by closing the strait of Hormuz, Use nuclear submarines if they have to , in order to torpedo Iranian ships or any ship carrying Iranian oil. Third, Provide free internet access to all Iranians inside Iran so that the regime can no longer block internet and suppress revolution. Fourth, Break off all diplomatic and economic relations with Islamic republic. Dismiss all ambassadors and close Iranian embassies in the west like Canada did, Elect a conservative government in Canada to declare IRGC as terrorist organization. Fifth, support Iranian opposition groups to overthrow with the help of Iranian people this evil regime. Sixth, Support Iran nation not the terrorist Islamic regime. Do not bet on the losing horse. Seventh, Kick Biden and Trudeau out of office. Eighth, Add IRGC to the list of terrorist organizations so that they are cut off economically and cannot feed Hamas or suppress Iran nation. Edited October 20, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015 1 Quote
cannuck Posted October 20, 2023 Report Posted October 20, 2023 On 10/16/2023 at 7:42 PM, WestCanMan said: In Canada we know nothing about being surrounded by enemies. We have thousands and thousands of land and sea borders and not even 1 mile of it borders with an enemy state. Our only neighbour is our best friend. Uh.....sorry to have to correct that. Our neighbour to the North was for decades "on the other side" as they are once again due to Ukraine. They violate our sovereignty in the Arctic regularly. Our neighbour to the South was once at war with and invaded. Only Iceland (i.e. Greenland) has never offended our state. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted October 20, 2023 Report Posted October 20, 2023 7 hours ago, cannuck said: Uh.....sorry to have to correct that. Our neighbour to the North was for decades "on the other side" as they are once again due to Ukraine. They violate our sovereignty in the Arctic regularly. Our neighbour to the South was once at war with and invaded. Only Iceland (i.e. Greenland) has never offended our state. this is true and oft forgotten. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ironstone Posted October 20, 2023 Report Posted October 20, 2023 On 10/13/2023 at 4:47 PM, BeaverFever said: I provided only an excerpt of the article but the full text explains Israel’s longstanding policy of lop-sided retaliation which Israeli authorities have pledged to follow again. The all-time casualty ratio of Palestinian to Israeli civilians is close to 10-1. Even if an exaggeration, it’s unlikely that Hamas and Iran planned such a surprise and barbaric attack expecting only minimal Israeli response. Also as Ukraine and other conflicts have shown, drones are widely available now even to individuals and non-state actors. Do you propose that Israel retaliates against Hamas person for person? That would mean that Israelis march into Gaza and slaughter 1200+ victims? Executions, burning people out of their homes, beheading, burning alive, raping women, killing infants? Would that meet your definition of a proportional response? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
WestCanMan Posted October 20, 2023 Report Posted October 20, 2023 9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: To start with, do not feed the regime, Last month Biden administration released 6 billion dollars to the regime. The Islamic regime will use this money to oppress its oppressed nation more and crash the Woman Life Freedom revolution which is in progress in Iran since last year. Biden's not helping, but Iran can get enough money from China that it makes no difference. Quote Second, block Iran's oil export by closing the strait of Hormuz, Use nuclear submarines if they have to , in order to torpedo Iranian ships or any ship carrying Iranian oil. Never gonna happen. Quote Third, Provide free internet access to all Iranians inside Iran so that the regime can no longer block internet and suppress revolution. You are unaware of the stranglehold that the mullahs in Iran have over their people. The most evil 30% of the country all back the mullahs, the rest of the population won't stand up to them. Quote Fourth, Break off all diplomatic and economic relations with Islamic republic. Dismiss all ambassadors and close Iranian embassies in the west like Canada did, Elect a conservative government in Canada to declare IRGC as terrorist organization. As if they care. Quote Fifth, support Iranian opposition groups to overthrow with the help of Iranian people this evil regime. Sounds like The Bay of Pigs... Quote Sixth, Support Iran nation not the terrorist Islamic regime. Do not bet on the losing horse. Yeah, that sounds possible. Quote Seventh, Kick Biden and Trudeau out of office. I like you again. Quote Eighth, Add IRGC to the list of terrorist organizations so that they are cut off economically and cannot feed Hamas or suppress Iran nation. China, NoKo and Russia just called. They said they want us to sanction Iran, but they won't say why... Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
BeaverFever Posted October 21, 2023 Report Posted October 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ironstone said: Do you propose that Israel retaliates against Hamas person for person? That would mean that Israelis march into Gaza and slaughter 1200+ victims? Executions, burning people out of their homes, beheading, burning alive, raping women, killing infants? Would that meet your definition of a proportional response? No i propose they kill 100% of Hamas in legitimate military operations amd 0% of civilians, in full compliance with internationally accepted rules of engagement. Once again don’t conflate Has with Palestinian civilians they are not the same. Quote
CdnFox Posted October 21, 2023 Report Posted October 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: No i propose they kill 100% of Hamas in legitimate military operations The citizens of the strip ARE hamas. You're advocating genocide. Why not just fight them till they surrender Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
BeaverFever Posted October 21, 2023 Report Posted October 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The citizens of the strip ARE hamas. That’s not correct Quote
CdnFox Posted October 21, 2023 Report Posted October 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: That’s not correct It is quite correct. They elected them, they've been extremely supportive of them. Hamas represents their values . If justin trudeau declared war on another country we'd have to live with the consequences because he's our elected leader. Like it or not hamas represents the people - the gov'ts actions are the people's. Just like how when our gov't does something wrong WE have to pay reparations and the like Sorry kiddo - if you thought it worked differently you were mistaken, Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
BeaverFever Posted October 21, 2023 Report Posted October 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It is quite correct. No it’s false 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: They elected them 1) So by your logic a Liberal party member then? After all, Canadians elected Liberals and you’re a Canadian so you’re responsible 2) Further to point 1 regardless of who elected them, punishing civilians for the action of their government is called “Collective Punishment” and is a war crime 3)It was one election in 2007 and there hasn’t been one since. 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: they've been extremely supportive of them. Hamas represents their values . False. Hamas is reportedly unpopular due to their heavy-handed oppression of Palestinians in Gaza. Palestinians - many of whom are Christian- are quite secular 19 minutes ago, CdnFox said: f justin trudeau declared war on another country we'd have to live with the consequences because he's our elected leader. Like it or not hamas represents the people - the gov'ts actions are the people's. Just like how when our gov't does something wrong WE have to pay reparations and the like What??? Uh no that’s not how it works at all. “Sorry kiddo” but you have absolutely no clue here. 1) You cannot deliberately target civilians in war, or otherwise intentionally inflict suffering on them as punishment for their government’s actions….period. That is a war crime. I can’t believe I have to explain that 2) “We” are jot individually liable for reparations, those are paid by the government not individuals. I know I know you’re going to say “but the government pay with my taxes” but YOU are not liable - ie nobody sends you a reparations bill in your name and repossess your house and car if payment isn’t made So if someone has a quarrel with the Canadian government they cannot legally kill or collect payments from random Canadian civilians Got it? Quote
CdnFox Posted October 21, 2023 Report Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: No it’s false Sorry kiddo it's very true. Repeating a lie doesn't suddenly make you correct. Quote 1) So by your logic a Liberal party member then? After all, Canadians elected Liberals and you’re a Canadian so you’re responsible The liberal party represents me, like it or not. As i said if they start a war i'm going to have to pay the price. Which is why elections are important. So while i'm not a party member - the gov't of canada is the people. Liberal conservative ndp or whatever. *not bloc tho Quote Quote 2) Further to point 1 regardless of who elected them, punishing civilians for the action of their government is called “Collective Punishment” and is a war crime Deliberately targeting them might be - but not if they happen to die while targeting legit targets. So - the millions of gaza people who celebrated the attack on isreal were celebrating that kind of crime. but isreal isn't. Quote 3)It was one election in 2007 and there hasn’t been one since. Right - and remember all those protests demanding one? Me either. Quote False. Hamas is reportedly unpopular due to their heavy-handed oppression of Palestinians in Gaza. Palestinians - many of whom are Christian- are quite secular Nope. There's TONNES of support. Quote What??? Uh no that’s not how it works at all. “Sorry kiddo” but you have absolutely no clue here. That is precisely how it works. What kind of !diot doesn't realize the gov't respresents the people? Quote 1) You cannot deliberately target civilians in war, or otherwise intentionally inflict suffering on them as punishment for their government’s actions….period. That is a war crime. I can’t believe I have to explain that Yet you're fine with it when it's done to the isrealies. Oh - you say you dont approve, AS LONG AS NOGBODY IS HELD to ACCOUNT - which is in fact supporting the actions. THe fact that civilians will die and will suffer and will be miserable while isreal pursues legitimate military ends does not mean they're being targeted. And if they don't like it surrender. You're quite a typical leftie - Isreal going after legit targets is war crime, gaza attacking civilians with the support of the people is no big deal, can't hold anyone responsible for that. Oh wait - hold hamas responsible, except nobody is actually hamas. What's happening to the Palestinians is 100 percent their own doing, it's entirely legit, and if it leads to the destruction of gaza's military capability then it's completley warrented under self defense. Don't like it, don't attack isreal. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ironstone Posted October 21, 2023 Report Posted October 21, 2023 13 hours ago, BeaverFever said: No i propose they kill 100% of Hamas in legitimate military operations amd 0% of civilians, in full compliance with internationally accepted rules of engagement. Once again don’t conflate Has with Palestinian civilians they are not the same. Please explain exactly how to do that when Hamas always hides directly behind their own citizens. You know, the same citizens that elected them in the first place. And it's not merely speculation or conjecture on my part that Hamas uses human shields, it is 100% fact. They even have a bunker under one Shifa hospital in northern Gaza. Think about that...a bunker...built UNDER Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
eyeball Posted October 21, 2023 Report Posted October 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ironstone said: Please explain exactly how to do that when Hamas always hides directly behind their own citizens. Tell Israel to stop imprisoning Palestinians on Hamas' army base. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Aristides Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 21 hours ago, eyeball said: Tell Israel to stop imprisoning Palestinians on Hamas' army base. If Hamas was a real army, this would be a lot simpler. Quote
CdnFox Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 22 hours ago, eyeball said: Tell Israel to stop imprisoning Palestinians on Hamas' army base. Palestinians were free to leave at any time. They're not "ON" hamas' army - they're "IN" hamas's army. They knew full well what hamas was about and that they'd attack isreal again and they stayed and even supported hamas, have for years. Ya play stupid games, ya win stupid prizes. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ironstone Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 Douglas Murray is brilliant as usual. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
eyeball Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Aristides said: If Hamas was a real army, this would be a lot simpler. Palestine would have to be a real country to make things simpler. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Palestinians were free to leave at any time. They're not "ON" hamas' army - they're "IN" hamas's army. They knew full well what hamas was about and that they'd attack isreal again Not the kids and not the 42-58% of Palestinians who don't vote for Hamas. Israel knows this full well but punishes everyone as if they're all the same. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Not the kids and not the 42-58% of Palestinians who don't vote for Hamas. Yep them too. Perfectly free to leave. Not a one of them were forced at gun point to stay. And of course isreal treats them all the same. That is WAR. Remember when we had the japanese take a vote in ww2 and ONLY nuked the ones who said they agree with the emporor? Me either. Do you recall how the citizens of france were asked whether they shot the archduke of hungry before they were invaded? Nope? Gosh.... Your gov't represents you and if that's not ok, if you DON'T want to be associated with a gov't that you KNOW is going to start a war (because they said so) then you LEAVE. They didn't - and now they face the music for allowing hamas to function like that. Maybe they'll think twice next time assuming they survive this war as an intact country. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: They didn't - and now they face the music for allowing hamas to function like that. Maybe they'll think twice next time assuming they survive this war as an intact country. They don't have a country, they have a reservation...barely. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.