Spike in the numbers of Covid cases in hospitals and deaths

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Does she agree that forcing people to get the mrna jab or be excommunicated is over the top? Sure

Forcing....excommunication...propaganda....

I meant how does this sort of sentimental rhetoric go over at work? 

[OftenWrong]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh it's just the usual pi$$ing and moaning of one of those What would a doctor know about it loudmouths. FFS he's gonna claim we're forcing him to get vaxxed against his will. Waah Blackbirds a "mandating dictator'.

Quote the Rich Texan next, "America's no place for seat belt wearing cowards"

Or latte-sipping leftists.

[herbie]

Yep there we go, only leftists would wear a helmet on a motorbike, a life jacket in a boat or a seat belt in their car. They don't wear it out of common sense, they do it because of fear, the dictatorial mandates must be obeyed.

[taxme]

On 10/6/2023 at 6:01 PM, blackbird said:

You greatly exaggerate what the government is doing, in B.C. for instance.  It makes complete sense in hospitals because many or most patients are in the vulnerable category, older or with compromised immune systems.   

It also makes sense for older people and people with compromised immune systems to wear masks in public places and get their Covid and flu shots.  The vaccinations for various diseases has saved millions of lives over the last century.

Nobody will be giving up their freedoms as we are not going back to the pandemic restrictions.  

It is my belief that many of the older people died from the covid vaccine as it has been shown that many people who took the covid jab ended up being harmed or have died from the covid vaccine. 

Again, many doctors and scientists have said that masks do not work. There are too many ways for a virus to enter the mask area. You are just being led to believe that vaccines and masks will save the day. 

I am not sure about that freedoms will be lost when there is an NDP socialist party in power.  They love to be the boss and push we the people around. But we will have to wait to see as to how far the socialists will go with this covid nonsense. 

[taxme]

On 10/6/2023 at 12:09 PM, blackbird said:

This is just a safety reminder.  There are some of us who are more vulnerable than others because of our compromised health conditions.

There has been a spike in Covid 19 cases in hospitals and a spike in deaths in the past number of weeks.

Don't believe the Covid deniers.  They don't know what they are talking about.

People in the older age bracket should be especially careful about gathering in groups this Thanksgiving weekend.

Those of us who are more vulnerable than others also need to remember to practice mask wearing, social distancing, and avoid groups.

Enjoy Thanksgiving weekend, but be safe.

I remember hearing a story a couple of years ago about some motorcyclist was killed in a traffic accident. He died from his injuries with a vehicle. When they did a  test for covid he had covid. As a result, he was put on the covid death list. No joke, this did happen. And you wonder as to why there are covid deniers around? Don't let the media or those paid off health buffoons to try and keep you in terror of catching covid.

Many people die from pneumonia every year, but there seems to be no big deal about that. Covid is just another excuse for the government to push masks and vaccines on anyone that is stupid enough to listen to their fear and panic nonsense. 

One would think that after all that we went thru for two years of our loss of freedoms, they would have had enough of this covid nonsense by now.

But, if you like to wear masks or get the covid jabs, well go for it. You will not benefit from neither. My opinion. 

[OftenWrong]

On 10/7/2023 at 12:10 AM, eyeball said:

Forcing....excommunication...propaganda....

I meant how does this sort of sentimental rhetoric go over at work? 

Pretty sure health care workers lost their jobs if they didn't get the jab.

[taxme]

On 10/7/2023 at 12:51 PM, herbie said:

Yep there we go, only leftists would wear a helmet on a motorbike, a life jacket in a boat or a seat belt in their car. They don't wear it out of common sense, they do it because of fear, the dictatorial mandates must be obeyed.

I always have believed that nobody should be forced to do anything like you mentioned above. It is their body to do with as they please. It's not the governments business to be telling people what they can or cannot do. There should only be laws to protect people from other people harming them. ?

[Zeitgeist]

I think it’s crucial that people do precisely what they think is in their interests when the public health alarms ring.  If you want to get vaccinated, wear masks, shut yourself up in your basement, and live a virtual existence on Meta, that’s your prerogative.  If you want to carry on maskless in close proximity to strangers, that’s your prerogative. What we must avoid are mandates and restrictions, which have screwed up young people’s mental health and damaged our democracy for years to come.  

Edited October 8, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[herbie]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

There should only be laws to protect people from other people harming them. 

Like lock downs, social distancing, masking and mass vaccinations, eh? You suddenly agree....

and good luck with your insurance claim when you don't agree with seat belts or helmets.

[WestCanMan]

On 10/6/2023 at 4:56 PM, herbie said:

Yeah, heard that pitiful excuse a lot over the last few years. Asked a woman who didn't vax because she was "protected by the blood of Jesus" if He looked both ways for her crossing the street too.

TBH, her comment actually makes sense if she considers her 'natural immunity' to come from a divine source. 

More importantly, she's not inflicting her beliefs on others like the God-damned vax-Nazis are. 

Let's not forget that 16,000 multi-vaxed Canadians "died of covid"  in 2022. Was the covid vax looking both ways for them while they were crossing the street? 

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

Like lock downs, social distancing, masking and mass vaccinations, eh? You suddenly agree....

and good luck with your insurance claim when you don't agree with seat belts or helmets.

Stop equating an ineffective jab with seat belts and helmets.

If the jabs worked then 16,000 multi-jabbed Canadians wouldn't have died of covid in 2022, and covid deaths in Canada wouldn't have gone up by 30% after vax-Naziism. 

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop equating an ineffective jab with seat belts and helmets.

If the jabs worked then 16,000 multi-jabbed Canadians wouldn't have died of covid in 2022, and covid deaths in Canada wouldn't have gone up by 30% after vax-Naziism. 

I am not a vax biologist but I think you're making up a lot or are badly misinformed.  Covid vaccines are not perfect but they are effective in preventing Covid in many cases and if some get Covid, they are effective in preventing serious illness and death.  We were vaxxed and I caught Covid from a relative who I mistakenly hugged when he still had some flem in his chest but probably thought he had nothing, but it was very mild.  No temperature and only a mild occasional cough for a few days. I know it was Covid because we used the test kits for Covid which showed positive.  Without the vaccines, I might not have survived because of age and seriously compromised health condition.  I will continue to get vaxxed and take some safety measures to reduce the chances of catching it. I don't wish to die from some virus that can be prevented.  What you do is up to you.  There is no loss of freedom.

Edited October 9, 2023 by blackbird

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If the jabs worked then 16,000 multi-jabbed Canadians wouldn't have died of covid in 2022

If the jabs didn't work there likely would have been at least three hundred thousand more deaths in Canada. That estimate is based on a study that maintains 3 million deaths were prevented in the US because of vaccine. 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

[herbie]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I am not a vax biologist but I think you're making up a lot or are badly misinformed. 

Of course he's making shit up. even if half the Covid deaths were from vaxxed people, vaxxed people were 90% of the population, which means the uvaxxed died at over 4X the rate.

Doncha love how people that don't know Grade 6 math quote statistics?

These troglodytes are still singing the same song after Nobel prizes were handed out for viral research that delivered the vaccines. They'll sing it to their early graves.

[taxme]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I am not a vax biologist but I think you're making up a lot or are badly misinformed.  Covid vaccines are not perfect but they are effective in preventing Covid in many cases and if some get Covid, they are effective in preventing serious illness and death.  We were vaxxed and I caught Covid from a relative who I mistakenly hugged when he still had some flem in his chest but probably thought he had nothing, but it was very mild.  No temperature and only a mild occasional cough for a few days. I know it was Covid because we used the test kits for Covid which showed positive.  Without the vaccines, I might not have survived because of age and seriously compromised health condition.  I will continue to get vaxxed and take some safety measures to reduce the chances of catching it. I don't wish to die from some virus that can be prevented.  What you do is up to you.  There is no loss of freedom.

A quick question? What makes you believe that the covid experimental vaccine saved any lives? What proof do you have to show for this? Well? 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I am not a vax biologist but I think you're making up a lot or are badly misinformed. 

Misinformed about what? 

What do you doubt Blackbird? 

Do you doubt that 19,000 Canadians died of covid in 2022, after 15k deaths in 2020 and 14k deaths in 2021? It's our gov't that said that, not me. I'm just the messenger.

Do you doubt that 85% of Candians were vaxed in 2022? I'm just the messenger.

Do you doubt that 85.7% of covid deaths were among the multi-jabbed? I'm just the messenger.

All of those things happened, exactly the way I described them. 

It's you who's misinformed, and that's purely by choice, because I've showed you all of Health Canada's own stats and even the Toronto Star's admission of it. The Toronto Star is arguably the furthest-left mainstream rag in Canada and even they acknowledged that we set a record for covid deaths in 2022. 

I know what a f'ing vaccine is dude, and the covid jab ain't it.

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Covid vaccines are not perfect but they are effective in preventing Covid in many cases and if some get Covid, they are effective in preventing serious illness and death. 

That's just a disproven talking point, it's not an actual fact. You're guilty of spreading disinformation. 

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We were vaxxed and I caught Covid from a relative who I mistakenly hugged when he still had some flem in his chest but probably thought he had nothing, but it was very mild.  No temperature and only a mild occasional cough for a few days. I know it was Covid because we used the test kits for Covid which showed positive. 

1) Covid is mild for the most part. 

2) covid is transmissible enough that you don't actually know who you got it from

3) That's just an anecdote, and anecdotal evidence is rife with bias and misconceptions. The fact is that over 16,000 Canadians died "of covid" in 2022, according to the way that covid deaths are calculated. 

Was covid 'mild' for them? 

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Without the vaccines, I might not have survived because of age and seriously compromised health condition. 

Speculation. Real-world data from our entire country says otherwise.

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I will continue to get vaxxed and take some safety measures to reduce the chances of catching it.

That's your prerogative, and I'm not objecting to the use of taxpayer dollars for your jab. Are you objecting to vax-Naziism?

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I don't wish to die from some virus that can be prevented. 

When you find a way to prevent, let us all know. 

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What you do is up to you. There is no loss of freedom.

Now you know that you're just a f'ing liar, right?

Literally everyone in Canada knows that our freedoms were stripped from us during covid. People have even been denied medical treatments due to thei rvax status.

Go to hell you God-damned loser. 

[taxme]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

Like lock downs, social distancing, masking and mass vaccinations, eh? You suddenly agree....

and good luck with your insurance claim when you don't agree with seat belts or helmets.

I suddenly agree that all of those things you mentioned above did harm plenty of innocent people. Nobody asked for them. They were forced on we the people. There is no proof that those measures taken above helped anyone from catching covid or not. Many people were seriously injured or even died from taking the covid vaccine and some even committed suicide thanks to those measures being implemented above. Tens of thousands of people lost their jobs and sent many businesses into bankruptcy. 

If the covid jabs were supposed to work so well, then why did the government force so many people to have to take them? Explain that one to me. 

The covid hoax was nothing more than one big big pharma lie. They made billions while innocent people suffered. 

It's very simple. All an insurance company has to do is put in the insurance contract that if someone is seriously injured or killed by not wearing their seat belt or helmet then there will be no payout issued. Thus, it is now left up to the individual to decide as to whether or not that they want to risk not wearing a belt or helmet. There. Problem solved. ?

[taxme]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

If the jabs didn't work there likely would have been at least three hundred thousand more deaths in Canada. That estimate is based on a study that maintains 3 million deaths were prevented in the US because of vaccine. 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

And just how would you personally know that there would have been at least three hundred thousand deaths in Canada, which were stopped by taking the covid vaccine? Did you get your stats from some appointed spokes person for big pharma or the Canadian government or some bought off health officials. And of course we can throw in the lying and fake Canadian MSM which helped them to spread and get the fools out there all jabbed up. Who says that they all were not paid off by big pharma to lie and spread bullshit? 

There is another side to this covid story. It's called the alternative media side of the story which paints a different picture about covid and how it all stared , who was behind it, and the damages done too so many people thanks to the forced covid jabs. Again, there is no proof that the covid vaccines stopped anything. But they did cause more harm than good. ?

 

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

If the jabs didn't work there likely would have been at least three hundred thousand more deaths in Canada. That estimate is based on a study that maintains 3 million deaths were prevented in the US because of vaccine. 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

What about Sweden?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

A quick question? What makes you believe that the covid experimental vaccine saved any lives? What proof do you have to show for this? Well? 

I trust the medical experts I have heard.  There are many of them.  I don't have the time or reason do start doing a pile of research myself.  We must trust the authorities.  No reason for not believing them.

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

If the jabs didn't work there likely would have been at least three hundred thousand more deaths in Canada. That estimate is based on a study that maintains 3 million deaths were prevented in the US because of vaccine. 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

Oh sweet, a study. That's worth more than just the data from an entire country, right? 

Dude, we faced ancestral covid, the strongest strain of all, with zero Canadians vaxed, and zero Canadians who had any previous exposure to covid, and it only killed 15k people.

We had a big death spike in spring 2020, then our country was wide open in the summer and almost no one died. 

We were wide open in 2021 as well and almost no one died n the summer. 

In 2022 we had thousands of death in the summer, and almost 90% of them were multi-vaxed.

If there was really an issue with "HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS" then 2022 was the worst year of all, but Biden had declared the pandemic over so our MSM never talked about the death toll, which was 30% larger than the MASSIVE DEATH TOLL of the previous year.

 

The fact is the jabs didn't work at all, BECAUSE OUR DEATH TOLL WENT UP.

BY A LOT.

AND ALMOST EVERYONE WHO DIED WAS VAXED. 

You need to stop looking for squeezers for your confirmation bias and understand that 16,000 multi-vaxed Canadians died of covid in 2022, and that's more than the total number of covid deaths here in any previous year. By a lot. And the MSM ignored them ALL. Why?

[Aristides]

7 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

What about Sweden?

Deaths per million population.

Canada 1405

Sweden 2409

Worldometer

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

And the MSM ignored them ALL. Why?

Because whatever it is you say happened is all your head.

Its not my fault you never followed my advice about submitting your findings and insights to the appropriate authorities.

By now they'd be constructing and naming new schools in your honour, the Nobel committee would be calling you instead of the twits whose discoveries made mRNA vaccines possible and of course more women would rather have your baby than Mr Socks.

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, Aristides said:

Deaths per million population.

Canada 1405

Sweden 2409

Worldometer

I wonder how many non-Covid deaths due to delayed surgeries/diagnostics, suicides, untreated illness, and other factors are due to Canada’s lockdowns. We’ll be dealing with the mental health fallout for years.  I prefer Sweden’s approach.

Edited October 10, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Because whatever it is you say happened is all your head.

So you think that we saw more covid fear porn on TV in 2022 than in either of the previous years, when less people were dying? 

Wrongo, little buddy. 

Covid was approximately 95% of the news cycle in 2020 and 80% in 2021. 

In 2022, when more people were dying of covid than ever before, covid wasn't even on the news a lot of nights.

Are you denying that?