Trudeau liberals invite Nazi war criminal to the Parliament and call him a hero -Speaker's Nazi veteran invite 'profoundly embarrassing' Trudeau says

[CdnFox]

 

11 hours ago, capitosinora said:

 

Trudeau, Biden and Zelensky are competing for the clown of the year award. It's going to be a close contest this year.

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And they say Canada isn't competitive anymore....    

[Nexii]

Fascism is considered extreme-right by most historians. Though it's kind of a silly debate, because when you get that far off center you're just totalitarian. No different than communism in the end.

[Perspektiv]

14 hours ago, capitosinora said:

Trudeau, Biden and Zelensky are competing for the clown of the year award.

Trudeau has got a 100 meter head start. Zelenskyy is a distant second, and who are you kidding.

Biden is still at the starting line, talking to it about how he likes to brush his hair legs against the grain with the back of his hand while flipping strawberry pancakes while taking the bus to work because he is no different than me and you. 

[cougar]

On 9/26/2023 at 12:42 PM, Nexii said:

That poorly constructed grammar could be interpreted as that he fought against Nazis. At least they could have said 'alongside'. But even that's disingenuous, it was a Nazi division

The whole situation is **-ic beyond belief.

1.  Mr. Speaker is apparently oblivious of Hunka's past and never checks his background before putting his whole name and career on the line.  Kind of gives a whole new meaning to the term "political suicide".  

2. Everyone in the house is clapping hands (and turning themselves into ****** in the process , and rightly so) as nobody knows anything about this huge Ukrainian and Canadian hero

3. They immediately called the situation the greatest Canadian embarrassment and asked Mr. Rotta to resign because Hunka was a "Nazi veteran"

Well, Hunka is 98 in 2023.  The war for the Nazi ended in 1945.  If you do the math the guy was likely 19 years old when the war ended !!

What kind of a "veteran" and Nazi could he have been ????

So we have a rotten political system, a rotten medical system, a rotten immigration system, a rotten society.  We can't meet any climate targets because we do not even try.  We are an embarrassment all over - but here you go, let's blame it all on that 19 year old in 1945, now 98 year old, who may have a few more months or years to live.   

Let's show the world that we are really disfunctional all over.

How pathetic!

[cougar]

17 hours ago, capitosinora said:

 

Trudeau, Biden and Zelensky are competing for the clown of the year award. It's going to be a close contest this year.

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I am sure Trump will beat them all. They will come in second, third and fourth position.

[blackbird]

 According to this article:

The last living WWII-era German Nazis have shockingly few regrets (nypost.com)

This is shocking because it was one of the worst crimes against humanity in history.

It mentions a documentary that was produced on this called "Final Account".  It does not appear to be available for free on the internet.  It is on Google Play for $4.99 plus tax (possibly U.S. dlrs)

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, cougar said:

The whole situation is **-ic beyond belief.

1.  Mr. Speaker is apparently oblivious of Hunka's past and never checks his background before putting his whole name and career on the line.  Kind of gives a whole new meaning to the term "political suicide".  

2. Everyone in the house is clapping hands (and turning themselves into ****** in the process , and rightly so) as nobody knows anything about this huge Ukrainian and Canadian hero

3. They immediately called the situation the greatest Canadian embarrassment and asked Mr. Rotta to resign because Hunka was a "Nazi veteran"

Well, Hunka is 98 in 2023.  The war for the Nazi ended in 1945.  If you do the math the guy was likely 19 years old when the war ended !!

What kind of a "veteran" and Nazi could he have been ????

So we have a rotten political system, a rotten medical system, a rotten immigration system, a rotten society.  We can't meet any climate targets because we do not even try.  We are an embarrassment all over - but here you go, let's blame it all on that 19 year old in 1945, now 98 year old, who may have a few more months or years to live.   

Let's show the world that we are really disfunctional all over.

How pathetic!

You do know that in Canada murder does not have an expiration date. being a war criminal does not either they do not care how old you are. Lets be clear , at 19 years old he knew what was right and wrong, his unit took part in the killing of civilians that were not combatants that fact was uncovered in the Nuremburg trails, but for some reason was not persued...t

o stand up and say he is just an old man...is bullshit... he got lucky, and lived most of his life in peace, while many of his units victims did not....and now he has been discovered he will answer to man, then he will answer for his sins by god...

The fact that this country let this animals into our nation after the war is a slap in the face, it is OK to turn away a ship full of Jews knowing full well they would be killed, then welcome the same men into our own country, to live next to men and women you fought against them, or had sons killed by them...that is F###ked up...

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Nexii said:

Fascism is considered extreme-right by most historians. Though it's kind of a silly debate, because when you get that far off center you're just totalitarian. No different than communism in the end.

There is truth to the idea that the political spectrum is not a line, it's a horseshoe with the totalitarian ends coming very close to each other.

But one of the distinguishing features of right vs left wing politics is generally speaking in order to be realized left wing politics NEEDS a degree of authoritarianism to work - whereas right wing doesn't nearly as much. 

And the whole nazi model is a near eact copy of the idea of market socialism or 'democratic socialism' today. A market economy with VERY strict gov't control over the market in order to focus it on the perceived needs of 'society'. For the nazi's that was expansionism through military adventure whereas now its more about climate change and such but it's the same model.

[cougar]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

You do know that in Canada murder does not have an expiration date. being a war criminal does not either they do not care how old you are. Lets be clear , at 19 years old he knew what was right and wrong, his unit took part in the killing of civilians that were not combatants that fact was uncovered in the Nuremburg trails, but for some reason was not persued...t

o stand up and say he is just an old man...is bullshit... he got lucky, and lived most of his life in peace, while many of his units victims did not....and now he has been discovered he will answer to man, then he will answer for his sins by god...

The fact that this country let this animals into our nation after the war is a slap in the face, it is OK to turn away a ship full of Jews knowing full well they would be killed, then welcome the same men into our own country, to live next to men and women you fought against them, or had sons killed by them...that is F###ked up...

At 19 he knew what was right from wrong?  Probably yes, and yes, there would be some 12 year olds capable of mass murder as we now have plenty of examples, nearly all of which come from our neighbor down south!

Was this particular 19 year old one of them?  Most likely not!  Do you believe that the Nazi had thousands and thousands of brainwashed criminals?  It would be like saying that their whole gene pool is garbage.

If you are a 19 years old and with a gun to your head with your only option of doing what you are told or being killed yourself, it is not something you do by choice.  You think those Ukrainians joined the Nazi with the only purpose of extirpating Jews, LGBTqs, ROMA and other minorities - you think this was the main selling point in the army?

That guy may have genuinely believed he fought for Ukraine.

As for the shame of letting him into Canada - if his past is again considered criminal, this was of course the main mistake.

Now at age 98, I would definitely leave him alone.  Too much other more important shit to dig into , than this!

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by cougar

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, cougar said:

At 19 he knew what was right from wrong?  Probably ye, and yes, there would be some 12 year olds capable of mass murder as we now have plenty of examples, nearly all of which come from our neighbor down south!

Was this particular 19 year old one of them?  Most likely not!  Do you believe that the Nazi had thousands and thousands of brainwashed criminals?  It would be like saying that their whole gene pool is garbage.

If you are a 19 years old and with a gun to your head with your only option of doing what you are told or being killed yourself, it is not something you do by choice.  You think those Ukrainians joined the Nazi with the only purpose of extirpating Jews, LGBTqs, ROMA and other minorities - you think this was the main selling point in the army?

That guy may have genuinely believed he fought for Ukraine.

As for the shame of letting him into Canada - if his past is again considered criminal, this was of course the main mistake.

Now at age 98, I would definitely leave him alone.  Too much other more important shit to dig into , than this!

 

Interesting points. I read that now Poland is going to ask to have him extradited.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/yaroslav-hunka-poland-minister-extradite-1.6978266

 

[cougar]

16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Interesting points. I read that now Poland is going to ask to have him extradited.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/yaroslav-hunka-poland-minister-extradite-1.6978266

 

i heard that too - only comes to prove Canada is not the only country having a ridiculously dis-functional government.

[myata]

15 hours ago, Nexii said:

No different than communism in the end.

No, no there's a difference! Many here (especially those with starry eyes fixed on the tongue of the Red Lying Clown) would love to hug and kiss murderous thugs like Putin and Un. As one of them mentioned here, Hitler was in the past, just forget it - and do all over again. Do what He says, not what you know and see.

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, cougar said:

At 19 he knew what was right from wrong?  Probably yes, and yes, there would be some 12 year olds capable of mass murder as we now have plenty of examples, nearly all of which come from our neighbor down south!

Was this particular 19 year old one of them?  Most likely not!  Do you believe that the Nazi had thousands and thousands of brainwashed criminals?  It would be like saying that their whole gene pool is garbage.

If you are a 19 years old and with a gun to your head with your only option of doing what you are told or being killed yourself, it is not something you do by choice.  You think those Ukrainians joined the Nazi with the only purpose of extirpating Jews, LGBTqs, ROMA and other minorities - you think this was the main selling point in the army?

That guy may have genuinely believed he fought for Ukraine.

As for the shame of letting him into Canada - if his past is again considered criminal, this was of course the main mistake.

Now at age 98, I would definitely leave him alone.  Too much other more important shit to dig into , than this!

 

At the age of 19, he knew exactly what the SS was and did...he had a choice to make and he did that by joining, what he did not have a choice is is participating in those killings...it was that or be shot...that was the standard practice within SS units. all of which is a matter of record. 

Yes, the SS had it's own way of indoctrinating's it's young men, you might want to do some reading on the subject...

He did not have a gun to his head, nobody forced him to join, that is not even an argument, Nuremburg trails had already covered those excuses "we were following orders" and "were forced to do it or face death" none of them were an excuse "NOT" to be tried for war crimes...everyone has choices to make, killing civilians intentionally is a war crime...

It does not matter why they joined , what matters is what they did in that service, war crimes are punishable, and have NO expiration date...They knew what they were going to be doing well in advanced...below is a speech giving by Himmler to the Division...do you think there was any doubt of what they were going to be doing...

Nobody gets a pass, regardless of age...justice needs to be served, and if you can't see that then maybe a vist to one of the concentration camps would change your minds to see the brutality of these men and women...the excuse that he is 98 is not valid...let the people that were effected by his crimes decide his fate...

 

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In a speech to the soldiers of the 1st Galician division, Heinrich Himmler stated:

Your homeland has become so much more beautiful since you have lost – on our initiative, I must say – those residents who were so often a dirty blemish on Galicia's good name, namely the Jews ... I know that if I ordered you to liquidate the Poles ... I would be giving you permission to do what you are eager to do anyway.^[46]

 

 

[WestCanMan]

On 9/25/2023 at 1:34 PM, CdnFox said:

Trudeau did not take responsibility, saying that "it's going to be really important that all of us push back against Russian propaganda, Russian disinformation,

Wow, he went straight to the old Dem/FBI canard about "RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION!!!!!" lol.

"My voters are so stupid that I can just wave the Russian collusion wand and all of this will go away, just like it does in the US!" ?

Big difference is that the last time the FBI pulled the Russian disinformation card of their ass it actually made sense: "The laptop story is Russian disinformation!" Their lie only had to last until after the election, so basically one month. CNN can cover their arses for that long. 

But our village idjit is trying to use the RC card to say: "We saluted a Nazi war criminal, and uhhhh, RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION!".

It doesn't even make any sense. He may as well have said: "THERE GOES ELVIS!".

The Nazi came, they saluted him, he left, and it's all on video. The Russians didn't make any of that up.

Trudeau pays terrorists, brings them to dinner, leaves Canada to celebrate Christmas with the Aga Khan, makes up stories about Canadians committing genocide, etc. This business of saluting Nazis just fits right in: no help from Russia required. 

Russian disinformation lol. Our main source of disinformation in Canada is the LPOC and CBC/CTV/Global, and no one else even comes close.

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and continue our steadfast and unequivocal support for Ukraine."

What's being left out of all this is that the little bastard Zelenski, the guy who already welcomed a Nazi battalion into his army, is from Ukraine, so he should be far more aware of exactly who he was celebrating than our village idi0t.

FWIW I don't think that Trudeau actually meant to cheer for a Nazi, he's just a f'ing bobblehead who likes to jump on every controversial bandwagon that rolls through town. He didn't know any better and he never does.

Zelenski is an actual Nazi lover.

F Ukraine, Zelenski can go to hell, and if he wants to take Trudeau with him I won't complain.

Edited September 28, 2023 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

Does anyone know how the speaker got this guy in?

Did she just do that all by herself, or was there an approval process? 

Did she know or know of this guy personally, or did someone recommend this to her?

I'm just wondering how this all falls on her... Is she just a scapegoat or was she really fully/solely responsible? 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, myata said:

Hitler was in the past, just forget it -

Right - because everyone knows that if you forget history then it has NO chance of repeating itself.  

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Nexii said:

Fascism is considered extreme-right by most historians. Though it's kind of a silly debate, because when you get that far off center you're just totalitarian. No different than communism in the end.

Fascism is big gov't personified.

We control the money, we control who works and where. We control the schools and what kids will be taught. We control the media. We control the police and judiciary. We control it all.

There's nothing more socialist than that. It's literally the exact opposite of small gov't. 

And what better example is there of controlling the police and judiciary than the US? The FBI commits crimes on behalf of the Dem party and no one even notices. They lie so often that it's just considered normal now, and they publicize fake investigations to influence elections. Ho hum...

Who has a tighter grip on the media than the Dems do on CNN, etc? 

You need to get your head out of your arse Nexii. Democracy is sliding right down the toilet and you're pulling the lever with all your might. 

[myata]

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Right - because everyone knows

Your comments are sooooo lame I can't even bother to guess what do you know, how and from where... that is, whose deep throat or ar-e.

Edited September 28, 2023 by myata

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, myata said:

You're sooooo lame I can't even bother to guess what do you know, how and from where...

ROFLMAO - and you felt the best way to express that =I"M= The one who's lame was an incoherent sentance that makes you like you have yet to pass grade 2 English  :)  LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

Well done kiddo   and i notice you couldn't address the fact i alluded to that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it

Maybe you should stick to discussing things more your speed. Like playdoh.

[Nexii]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Fascism is big gov't personified.

We control the money, we control who works and where. We control the schools and what kids will be taught. We control the media. We control the police and judiciary. We control it all.

There's nothing more socialist than that. It's literally the exact opposite of small gov't. 

And what better example is there of controlling the police and judiciary than the US? The FBI commits crimes on behalf of the Dem party and no one even notices. They lie so often that it's just considered normal now, and they publicize fake investigations to influence elections. Ho hum...

Who has a tighter grip on the media than the Dems do on CNN, etc? 

You need to get your head out of your arse Nexii. Democracy is sliding right down the toilet and you're pulling the lever with all your might. 

Left-right usually has to do with economics, not levels of authoritarianism. That would be the authoritarian/libertarian axis

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Nexii said:

Left-right usually has to do with economics, not levels of authoritarianism. That would be the authoritarian/libertarian axis

Not accurate.  As i noted earlier views that are traditionally right wing tend not to require any level of authoritarianism to be implemented and in fact specifically call for the amounts to be as minimal as possible.  Left wing ideology tends to require the use of force of law to bring about.

So the right can go pretty 'far right' without any authoritarianism, where as the left starts climbing that scale minute one. You can't have social safety nets without some level of authoritarianism. - you must have laws to enforce 'equality' hiring and 'diversity' policies, you have to exert control over the marketplace to guide it to the communal goals of the socialistic policies.

You don't need any gov't laws to be able to go buy a gun if you want one.  In fact the fewer the better in the minds of many.

the right wing tends to believe more strongly in personal choice, personal achievement and consequence, and freedom from gov't oversight.  Those things by default require LESS authoritarianism.

[Nexii]

There are plenty of right wing authoritarians on here. They want the federal government to dictate medical, educational, housing policy and so on by law instead of it being a personal choice. The CPC doesn't advocate for drastically reducing spending and taxes. If they get elected, they'll end up being just as big government as the Libs in the end.

Granted authoritarianism when done right can work out fine. Developing countries especially in Asia have benefited, but they have a different mentality towards it than the West

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Nexii said:

There are plenty of right wing authoritarians on here. They want the federal government to dictate medical, educational, housing policy and so on by law instead of it being a personal choice.

Gawd.

No Canadian PM has approached the level of authoritarianism that we saw from Trudeau since... Trudeau, and all of our authoritarianism on this site came from our resident leftards. 

We had a gesundheitspass, people were forced to take useless experimental vaccines, peaceful protesters were trampled by horses and peaceful protesters who surrendered on their knees were beaten by police, he called people racists and misogynists just or not taking his beloved pseudovax, he let people fly in from Wuhan and waltz around free when we didn't have covid here and A WEEK LATER Canadians were being locked down. 

 

[WestCanMan]

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Nexii said:

There are plenty of right wing authoritarians on here. They want the federal government to dictate medical, educational, housing policy and so on by law instead of it being a personal choice.

I don't think so.  I think those things are ALREADY heavily dictated by law and conservatives here are simply saying if we're going to dictate anyway, here's what we'd like to see dictated. 

But please - show me the conservatives who are advocating that there should be MORE gov't involvement in those things ?  Betcha can't

4 hours ago, Nexii said:

The CPC doesn't advocate for drastically reducing spending and taxes. If they get elected, they'll end up being just as big government as the Libs in the end.

Absolutely false- as 10 years of harper showed. To the end he was still advocating for smaller federal gov't, power left in the hands of the provinces, and his policies showed it.

So history suggests you're wrong... what are you basing your comment on exactly? PP is running on getting rid of gov't red tape, harper did do that A LOT and PP grew up under his time... what evidence do you have to support that claim?