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Trudeau should resign over Nazi recognition by Parliament


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7 hours ago, Aristides said:

The speaker is Parliament's animal, it is up to Parliament to fix it. Obviously their vetting system is not adequate.

The gov't is responsible for parliament's vetting system. Who's running the gov't again?

7 hours ago, Aristides said:

In the present situation, the Liberals would be smart to back a non Liberal speaker.

 

I see a Bloc MP has been appointed interim speaker.

Trudeau is trying to buy back a little good will - there's talk he'll appoint  (sorry - democratically elect) an NDP member to keep Jaggers happy.

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7 hours ago, Aristides said:

In the present situation, the Liberals would be smart to back a non Liberal speaker.

 

I see a Bloc MP has been appointed interim speaker.

I thought each vote was a secret ballet, and each candidate had to vote independently .... how could a party back anyone? 

Bloc MP , I'm not sure what is worse , why would anyone give the bloc any choice, they represent a party that wants Quebec to separate from Canada...

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14 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I thought each vote was a secret ballet, and each candidate had to vote independently .... how could a party back anyone? 

Bloc MP , I'm not sure what is worse , why would anyone give the bloc any choice, they represent a party that wants Quebec to separate from Canada...

They can try to influence their own caucus, that's all.

The speaker's job is to make sure parliamentary rules are followed, as long as they do their job it shouldn't matter what party they are from. 

I don't know how he was appointed interim, the deputy speaker is a Conservative and the two assistant deputies are NDP and Liberal.

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2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They can try to influence their own caucus, that's all.

The speaker's job is to make sure parliamentary rules are followed, as long as they do their job it shouldn't matter what party they are from. 

Fair enough, so there is influence that can put a man or women into the speakers position... so why is it so hard to say that the speaker could remain loyal to the people that gave him the job, i mean just money wise he gets full MP wages plus another 88 K for being the speaker...he also owes the PM for any future employment right, be it in future cabinets or appointments...as most speakers go on to...

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On 9/27/2023 at 7:50 PM, Army Guy said:

Fair enough, so there is influence that can put a man or women into the speakers position... so why is it so hard to say that the speaker could remain loyal to the people that gave him the job, i mean just money wise he gets full MP wages plus another 88 K for being the speaker...he also owes the PM for any future employment right, be it in future cabinets or appointments...as most speakers go on to...

Parliament gave them the job, not the government. The speaker is not part of the government.

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On 9/25/2023 at 3:37 PM, Zeitgeist said:

They don’t understand that Russia was our ally in this fight.  

I agree with everything that you said in that post, but I would also point out that joining anyone to fight against Russia made a lot of sense for the people of that region.

We joined up with Stalin to fight against Hitler, we even supplied the Russians for their war effort, so we made our own deal with the devil, just like Hunka's people did when they allied with the Nazis to fight against Russia.

Stalin's policies killed more innocent civilians than Hitler's genocides did, although Hitler's war kinda balances that out, which one of these guys was a genocidal maniac first? Doesn't it make a lot of sense for some people to choose "fight with Hitler against Stalin" over "Fight with Stalin against Hitler"?

There were two devils in that fight. I know that if members of my family were killed by Stalin I would have fought against Stalin, no questions asked. 

None of this makes joining in genocides against civilians acceptable, so I completely understand why we never shoulda cheered for that guy, and why he's a war criminal, but TBH, his root cause for fighting against Russia is the same as "our" cause for making the case that 'Ukraine needs protection from Russia, so we are justified in shoving NATO into Russia's grille'

I think we all know that I hate Trudeau, so whenever his feet are held to the fire I'm all for it, but Hunka lived in an age that we don't inherently understand. He grew up in the middle of a world where there were genocides going on all around him. His 'norms' aren't our 'norms' at all. He lived on a planet where "kill or be killed" was the only rule. It's the epitome of presentism for us to hold Hunka, a guy who was at the very bottom of the food chain when all this killing was going on, to our standards. 

Yeah, I know I gave the leftists here an opportunity to call me names, but I think Hunka fought for devil 2 against devil 1, and we fought with devil 1 against devil 2.

Any decent person could have been convinced to fight against Stalin. You really had to plug your nose to join either side, and we did it too. We were looking at the bigger picture when we chose to consider Stalin our 'ally', but Hunka's POV was that of someone who probably wanted to kill Stalin more than we've ever wanted to do anything in our lifetime. 

 

I guess that I'm just saying that I wouldn't advocate for killing that guy as a war criminal. It makes sense to do that to Germans, who had no great reason to become genocidal animals, but it makes a lot of sense for anyone from east of Germany to join up with anyone who was attacking Russia. 

I'm not an expert on it though. I don't know Hunka's specific reasons, maybe he was just an a-hole who should be killed. 

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4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Parliament gave them the job, not the government. The speaker is not part of the government.

The speaker is absolutely part of the gov't in this case, he's in the liberal caucus.

And the liberals voted him in, he was their choice

1 hour ago, Boges said:

So should the CPC be able to bring down a government without sufficient votes? 

Of course not - but the voters should never vote in or trust the libs or ndp in the future.

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Hoping Trudeau does not resign, and really think he won't.  Want to see Trudeau and his band of penguins annihilated in the next election.  Want to see Singh tarred and feathered for his complicit part in Canada's greatest fiasco.  Want to see both of those clowns in the Canadian history books as 'Canada's Worst Politicians . . . . 

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7 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Hoping Trudeau does not resign, and really think he won't.  Want to see Trudeau and his band of penguins annihilated in the next election.  Want to see Singh tarred and feathered for his complicit part in Canada's greatest fiasco.  Want to see both of those clowns in the Canadian history books as 'Canada's Worst Politicians . . . . 

I don't think he will either.

I think he's hoping trump wins the 2024 election and he can scare everyone saying PP is just the same.

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5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Parliament gave them the job, not the government. The speaker is not part of the government.

Ok , parliament gave them the job...I will also agree that the speaker is not held accountable to the PM... but if you suggestion that the PM does not have influence over his career as a liberal MP , i disagree, And if your suggesting that the liberals did not put him in that position as speaker i also disagree, we have already proven that... And finally if you think Justin is above using the speaker for his gains , i also disagree...

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On 9/27/2023 at 12:06 PM, Aristides said:

In the present situation, the Liberals would be smart to back a non Liberal speaker.

 

I see a Bloc MP has been appointed interim speaker.

I think this shows weakness, but I don't think that the Libs are in a position of strength now. They're in a full, haphazard retreat.

Is CBC even trying to spin this for them or have they given up as well? 

 

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The election looks so out of reach for the Libs at this point that all they can do is hope that their alliance with the NDP holds out long enough for them to get lucky by the CPC stomping on a bunch of rakes themselves. 

If the NDP break ranks now, the Libs are s-c-r-e-w-e-d. 

But TBH, I don't even think is that big of a scandal by Trudeau's standards. He's paid off terrorists, made a false accusation of genocide against our whole country, tried to give WE $1B while they in-turn lavish money on his mom, infuriated the entire country of India twice, basically called the PM of Japan "Chinese" twice, went silverback against peaceful protesters, called the unvaxed "racists and misogynists", enacted vax-fascism for a vax that was a bust, etc. 

In this instance, Trudeau's people just failed to do their due diligence. Is that such a big deal? The Pentagon gave an award to a tattooed Nazi just a year ago and no one even talked about it. Sad to say, but I think the Pentagon should know more about who is and isn't a Nazi than everyone in our gov't and intelligence services combined. 

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