QuebecOverCanada Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: They also say that it wasn't a hate march but they continue to call teachers groomers... This movement is unwieldy, disorganized and filled with kooks. I'm being generous. The anti-woke movements in Canada don't have a leader or really someone representing the movement for many, so you see people in the streets who are basically the reflection of the average voter and average person, not someone who's been trained to speak to media. Plus, they do it on a week day during working hours. The woke movements, on the other hand, receive public funding, are well organized and have many media trained personalities to spread the ideology. The average person doesn't do well when it comes to dialoguing about politics or expressing their values. It's a reflection of our society. Many anti-wokes have many different reasons to congregate together, from many walks of life. Funnily enough, the association between the far right and muslims is really a surprise. If you said a few months ago that Muslims and the far right in Canada would be on the same side for a societal issue and would hold demonstrations together, you'd be called a kook too. Edited September 21 by QuebecOverCanada 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 7 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: The anti-woke movements in Canada don't have a leader or really someone representing the movement for many They have Poilievre but....so much for the courage of his convictions I guess. Maybe they can get Tamara Lich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 6 hours ago, eyeball said: Do you turn these videos off when someone suddenly enters the room? I'm insulted. I pull up my pants, then turn them off. Plus, my wife knows to knock prior to entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 21 Author Report Share Posted September 21 47 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: They also say that it wasn't a hate march but they continue to call teachers groomers... This movement is unwieldy, disorganized and filled with kooks. I'm being generous. So calling people names is now equals hate speech?, was it life and death hate speech as the media reports? becasue thats what your side is saying, i'm guessing thats the side you choose .... I also guessing that you think parents should not have the rights to know about any LGBTQ issues they have at school, and they should learn all of that from the rumor mill and neighbors kids...thats your stand... Could one also say that the LGBTQ side also has disorganization, and filled with kooks, and people with lots mental health issues...and has become unwieldy of sorts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Calling people names is just laziness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-parent-advisory-councils-voice-support-for-sogi-in-face-of-protests-1.6570246 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said: The anti-woke movements in Canada don't have a leader or really someone representing the movement for many, so you see people in the streets who are basically the reflection of the average voter and average person, not someone who's been trained to speak to media. Plus, they do it on a week day during working hours. The woke movements, on the other hand, receive public funding, are well organized and have many media trained personalities to spread the ideology. The average person doesn't do well when it comes to dialoguing about politics or expressing their values. It's a reflection of our society. Many anti-wokes have many different reasons to congregate together, from many walks of life. Funnily enough, the association between the far right and muslims is really a surprise. If you said a few months ago that Muslims and the far right in Canada would be on the same side for a societal issue and would hold demonstrations together, you'd be called a kook too. Any organization receiving money is accountable for what they say. They can't call Pierre Poilievre a pedophile, they can't say there's a world Jewish conspiracy behind the antiwoke movement.. And even their woke statements are probably restrained compared to some of the things that are quoted on here. That is the only thing I'm pointing out, the difference between institutional groups and guerrilla groups. I knew the Muslim Alliance with the Chuds was coming. I think I may have even posted about it on here. Edited September 21 by Michael Hardner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 21 Author Report Share Posted September 21 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Aristides said: Calling people names is just laziness. I agree, But they are not there to discuss anything the LGBTQ community are there to shout down the protest end of story...to them this is life and death people are going to die....this is about mental health issues for them, and the on the parents side the ability of parents to have a say on what happens at school and the children. Edited September 21 by Army Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Any organization receiving money is accountable for what they say. They can't call Pierre Poilievre a pedophile, they can't say there's a world Jewish conspiracy behind the antiwoke movement.. And even their woke statements are probably restrained compared to some of the things that are quoted on here. That is the only thing I'm pointing out, the difference between institutional groups and guerrilla groups. I knew the Muslim Alliance with the Chuds was coming. I think I may have even posted about it on here. It's a complex issue, many wokes are clearly antisemites as well as people on the far right, despite being quite well paid for the activism they do. Also, I think the language is important here. When you're talking about guerrilla groups, are you meaning that these demonstrations on a weekday at working hours is guerrilla warfare, rather than a moral panic protest at worst? Edited September 21 by QuebecOverCanada 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 8 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: It's a complex issue, many wokes are clearly antisemites as well as people on the far right, despite being quite well paid for the activism they do. TBH I think that anti-Semitism comes from at or near the poverty line, that's why it crosses the line so equally. A good politician can make poor people hate anyone, just ask Justin Trudeau, and the conspiracy theories that target Jews are almost all based on money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Any organization receiving money is accountable for what they say. Not if they pretend to not exist, like Antifa does. Quote I knew the Muslim Alliance with the Chuds was coming. I knew that the immigrants split from the leftards' was coming as well. They get to know conservatives, and they eventually get sick of leftard dogma and anti-family stances. Edited September 21 by WestCanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 29 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I agree, But they are not there to discuss anything the LGBTQ community are there to shout down the protest end of story...to them this is life and death people are going to die....this is about mental health issues for them, and the on the parents side the ability of parents to have a say on what happens at school and the children. How much say should parents have? Should they be able to dictate what their kids are taught? Say they don't want them taught math or English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 33 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: 1. It's a complex issue, many wokes are clearly antisemites as well as people on the far right, despite being quite well paid for the activism they do. 2. When you're talking about guerrilla groups, are you meaning that these demonstrations on a weekday at working hours is guerrilla warfare, rather than a moral panic protest at worst? 1. Many wokes are antisemitic, and are also paid to be woke. You would never be able to back that up. 2. They're unorganized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 I liked the signs: No shared bathrooms No to pedophilia Leave our kids alone What the hell do any of those have to do with SOGI? Did they buy the signs from reason10 and Deluge? That they were countered 10 to 1 says it all. As does 2 of them being charged with hate speech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 12 minutes ago, herbie said: I liked the signs: No shared bathrooms No to pedophilia Leave our kids alone What the hell do any of those have to do with SOGI? It's the left that paints this as an 'anti sogi' march. It isn't. I think you know what triggered it. The schools and teachers (and you as i recall) demanding parents have NO right to be involved in their children's mental health or physical decisions. THey also want their children not to be reading gay porn complete with graphic pictures of guys sucking each other. So to answer your question - nothing. Was there some other lie you'd like to make up to pretend what this is about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 22 Author Report Share Posted September 22 2 hours ago, Aristides said: How much say should parents have? Should they be able to dictate what their kids are taught? Say they don't want them taught math or English? Do you have kids, then i would say you would want more input than they have right now, or the same influence as the LGBTQ community... ...I think parents should have a voice what is being taught, take this gender studies class, something had to come off the list to make room for this new interest, so what was it..., and just what is this type of class going to prepare you for, it really only pertains to 2 % of the population , is there anything being taught in this class that could not be covered in other topics and do we really need to learn about a million genders, and all there names...it is a fad that hopeful passes quickly.. There are much better topics all students could benefit from , like how to handle your finances, how to invest, what is debt etc.etc, Indian history, how about black history, how about our own history of Canada, not skim through it, but detailed... answer the question who are we and what have we contributed to the globe... We both know that math and English are basics , so they are here to stay...the current school system is not mandatory to attend, parents are free to place their children in private schools, or home school them, if you have the resources..so why not give parents a choice or say in their Childs education. could it get any worse than it is already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 Join the crowd, teachers are giving them gay porn to read now too, eh? Right along with the litter boxes for the furries in Grade 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 22 Author Report Share Posted September 22 1 hour ago, herbie said: I liked the signs: No shared bathrooms No to pedophilia Leave our kids alone What the hell do any of those have to do with SOGI? Did they buy the signs from reason10 and Deluge? That they were countered 10 to 1 says it all. As does 2 of them being charged with hate speech. Ya you go girl who needs parents anyways.... f*ck them, they are unorganized, racists, extreme right arseholes...did i miss anything....oh ya chuds maybe Michael can add a few that i missed he has a whole list of names he calls them... And after protest right across the country, only 2 have been charged with anything....come on man you got to be able to find more than 2... i mean how many were arrested during antifa protests, i guess 2 is the new standard to prove just how unruly this group of misfits can be...lets try tommorrow when more media reports come in... The LGBTQ community could not wait and pounce on parents for screwing with their message in schools... and what has it got them... the parents got media coverage, more than they bargained for, everyone could not wait to see the cat fights, stay tuned while we show you parents losing their minds, and LGBTQ community telling the world this matter is life and death, we are all going to die !!!!! ........and with the LGBTQ community screaming in their faces what did that accomplish exactly that we did not know already... What do you think the next LGBTQ event is going to look like...do you think this is over, not according to event organizers...all that happened was the LGBTQ community gave these parents recognition, and air time...this is going to get bigger...and not for the gay community... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ya chuds maybe Michael can add a few that i missed he has a whole list of names he calls them... Not a whole list. Just that. The Chuds call Trudeau a pedophile, they call teachers groomers, they call gay folks the rainbow people... But call them deplorables, Chuds or something nowhere near as bad as pedophile and it's.. HOW DARE YOU SIR ! Edited September 22 by Michael Hardner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 Just now, Michael Hardner said: Not a whole list. Just that. The Chuds call Trudeau a pedophile, they call teachers groomers, they call gay folks the rainbow people... But call them deplorables, Chuds or something nowhere near as bad as pedophile and it's.. HOW DARE YOU SIR ! Furthermore, a Chud lady told me she had PROOF that they were letting kids be furries and identify with cats... even let the kids poop in a box in class. You know what the proof was? A parent in Alberta told her it was real. And they also know that the media lies. But that anonymous parent in Alberta... you can count on her... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 22 Author Report Share Posted September 22 Quote Prime Minister Justin Trudeau tweeted about the Canada-wide protests, saying "Transphobia, homophobia, and biphobia have no place in this country. We strongly condemn this hate and its manifestations, and we stand united in support of 2SLGBTQI+ Canadians across the country — you are valid and you are valued." Cross-country rallies against 'gender ideology' in schools meet with counter-protests (msn.com) Did the PM just take a stand here, are these parents really transphobic, homophobic, and lets throw in Biphobia... Was that the message of todays protests that they are not valid, or valued...anyone... And from the same source this is what parents want...I know very unreasonable, in fact down right well lets call them all the phobic's, and lets throw in unorganized for Michael, he likes that one... Quote Protesters accused schools of exposing young students to "gender ideology," and said parents have the right to know whether their children are questioning their gender identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 22 Author Report Share Posted September 22 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Not a whole list. Just that. The Chuds call Trudeau a pedophile, they call teachers groomers, they call gay folks the rainbow people... But call them deplorables, Chuds or something nowhere near as bad as pedophile and it's.. HOW DARE YOU SIR ! I did't say how dare you sir... i just calling you out for seeing only one half of the story... i'm almost sure that the counter protesters never called anyone any names, how could they it is not in their nature....so much so that this is a huge bone of contention for you... it was a protest and counter protest things got heated people say those words or worse all the time... but to dismiss the entire cause for the protest over a few words... well your mind is made up... I don't think that the parents requests are to much to ask for, here in NB it was about keeping parents informed of their Childs life... and some how the media, and you and other blew right past that point and got stuck on the name calling... I consider you to be the voice of reasoning here, although i have been told my reasoning has slipped into the right side of things in last few months.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 45 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Do you have kids, then i would say you would want more input than they have right now, or the same influence as the LGBTQ community... ...I think parents should have a voice what is being taught, take this gender studies class, something had to come off the list to make room for this new interest, so what was it..., and just what is this type of class going to prepare you for, it really only pertains to 2 % of the population , is there anything being taught in this class that could not be covered in other topics and do we really need to learn about a million genders, and all there names...it is a fad that hopeful passes quickly.. There are much better topics all students could benefit from , like how to handle your finances, how to invest, what is debt etc.etc, Indian history, how about black history, how about our own history of Canada, not skim through it, but detailed... answer the question who are we and what have we contributed to the globe... We both know that math and English are basics , so they are here to stay...the current school system is not mandatory to attend, parents are free to place their children in private schools, or home school them, if you have the resources..so why not give parents a choice or say in their Childs education. could it get any worse than it is already... I have kids and six grand kids. The purpose of SOGI is tolerance, not indoctrination. I think you are reading more into it than is warranted. Why aren't these same parents pushing for things like handling finances and investing, what is debt? They don't seem to be an issue for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 22 Author Report Share Posted September 22 11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Furthermore, a Chud lady told me she had PROOF that they were letting kids be furries and identify with cats... even let the kids poop in a box in class. You know what the proof was? A parent in Alberta told her it was real. And they also know that the media lies. But that anonymous parent in Alberta... you can count on her... Other than the pooping in litter boxes, i mean who is going to do the clean up, let alone health codes... but dressing up as a cat who cares...i mean in todays world you can identify as a snow plow truck and thats suppose to be normal... not a big leap for a making yourself a cat....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 22 Author Report Share Posted September 22 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: I have kids and six grand kids. The purpose of SOGI is tolerance, not indoctrination. I think you are reading more into it than is warranted. Why aren't these same parents pushing for things like handling finances and investing, what is debt? They don't seem to be an issue for them. Thats my line i think your reading more into that what is needed... parents are pushing back on what is currently being taught...and not getting any where with school boards, hence the protests... and this is a whole lot more than tolerance, where is the classes on indigenous or black tolerance, not to mention the other groups that don't have a voice... Like i have said each province has it's own issues with these protests as our education system is not standardized so what an issue is for Ontario is not one for NB... so we can't paint all the protestors with one brush nor can we lump their concerns into one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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