Anti Vax Crackpot Has Case Thrown Out

[Aristides]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/daniel-nagase-lawsuit-1.6934672

 

How did this guy ever become a doctor. Scary.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/daniel-nagase-lawsuit-1.6934672

 

How did this guy ever become a doctor. Scary.

Does not help the anti vaxx cause either

[Zeitgeist]

Why is it so hard for some people to respect medical discretion?  

[ExFlyer]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Why is it so hard for some people to respect medical discretion?  

Who's and what medical discretion?

The guy lost his licence to practice. He was discredited by the Judge.. He was even kept out of the courtroom.

Did you read the article??

So, what discretion?

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Who's and what medical discretion?

The guy lost his licence to practice. He was discredited by the Judge.. He was even kept out of the courtroom.

Did you read the article??

So, what discretion?

Yes I read it. I don’t think we know enough about this doctor’s specific views and his reasons for having them from this article.  It’s too easy to dismiss him as a crackpot unless we have more specifics. I wish I could trust the judge and the journalism on this, but I don’t.  

Edited August 12, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[ExFlyer]

30 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes I read it. I don’t think we know enough about this doctor’s specific views and his reasons for having them from this article.  It’s too easy to dismiss him as a crackpot unless we have more specifics. I wish I could trust the judge and the journalism on this, but I don’t.  

No, even the medical society cited his issues

"A Discipline Committee Panel will be appointed to conduct a hearing to inquire into Dr. Nagase’s alleged misconduct, namely that, on or about December 9, 2021, while a registrant, Dr. Nagase contravened standards imposed under the Health Professions Act, including but not limited to the Canadian Medical Association’s Code of Ethics and Professionalism, by making public addresses regarding the COVID-19 pandemic and related issues that included his making misleading, incorrect, or inflammatory statements about vaccinations, treatments, and measures for COVID-19, including

• publicly expressing that Ivermectin is a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19;
• publicly expressing that the COVID-19 vaccinations are dangerous, or making otherwise misleading, incorrect, or inflammatory statements; and 
• making at least some of these public statements while appearing in front of effigies of political figures who were hung from nooses. "

And judge deemed him a "crackpot". "doctor Daniel Nagase ruled to be frivoulous, vexatious and an abuse of process" and "He has frequently repeated false and misleading information about vaccines, spreading untrue rumours of a spike in stillbirths at Lions Gate Hospital caused by the shot and giving an anti-vaccine speech in front of hanged effigies of B.C. politicians at the legislature in Victoria." and "he stood in the hallway and tried to address the judge by speaking loudly through an open door, despite a plexiglass barrier and about 15 metres separating the two."

[Zeitgeist]

29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

No, even the medical society cited his issues

"A Discipline Committee Panel will be appointed to conduct a hearing to inquire into Dr. Nagase’s alleged misconduct, namely that, on or about December 9, 2021, while a registrant, Dr. Nagase contravened standards imposed under the Health Professions Act, including but not limited to the Canadian Medical Association’s Code of Ethics and Professionalism, by making public addresses regarding the COVID-19 pandemic and related issues that included his making misleading, incorrect, or inflammatory statements about vaccinations, treatments, and measures for COVID-19, including

• publicly expressing that Ivermectin is a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19;
• publicly expressing that the COVID-19 vaccinations are dangerous, or making otherwise misleading, incorrect, or inflammatory statements; and 
• making at least some of these public statements while appearing in front of effigies of political figures who were hung from nooses. "

And judge deemed him a "crackpot". "doctor Daniel Nagase ruled to be frivoulous, vexatious and an abuse of process" and "He has frequently repeated false and misleading information about vaccines, spreading untrue rumours of a spike in stillbirths at Lions Gate Hospital caused by the shot and giving an anti-vaccine speech in front of hanged effigies of B.C. politicians at the legislature in Victoria." and "he stood in the hallway and tried to address the judge by speaking loudly through an open door, despite a plexiglass barrier and about 15 metres separating the two."

My understanding is that Invermectin is safe for treating C-19 and has been used effectively in many countries.  I’m not sure that we can call a fast-tracked vaccine without long trials and which has had side effects like myocarditis incontestably safe.  Safety is a relative term here.  The effigies are a political statement to which he should be entitled as a Canadian.  I don’t care that he’s also a doctor.  It’s a relief that not everyone is scared to express dissent in the medical field.  With regard to still births, I’d want to know more.  Was there a spike?  Was he merely raising questions about a causal link as opposed to claiming there was one?  Was there a causal link?  Any investigation of this?

It’s important to raise questions when questionable things happen.  Sorry but I don’t think judges are infallible.  Too many strange and politically motivated sentences are handed down to have that level of faith in the justice system, though I understand that appeals end and we do have to work with the system we have.  It seems like there might be some animus regarding this doctor from the professional association and/or court and/or media.  

[myata]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I wish I could trust the judge and the journalism on this, but I don’t.

My thought exactly. In any matters of principle Canadian justice can be just the kind of a pretty facade we see everywhere in this country. Best blah independent these are just words; they have to be seen in the reality of life but when was the last time we've seen it: independent justice standing up for citizens rights when the state violates and abuses them, as opposed to cowering to it, and then pay compensations for its failures from our own pocket? Nah past that the trough has been too appealing.

Edited August 12, 2023 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

37 minutes ago, myata said:

My thought exactly. In any matters of principle Canadian justice can be just the kind of a pretty facade we see everywhere in this country. Best blah independent these are just words; they have to be seen in the reality of life but when was the last time we've seen it: independent justice standing up for citizens rights when the state violates and abuses them, as opposed to cowering to it, and then pay compensations for its failures from our own pocket? Nah past that the trough has been too appealing.

We ultimately have to believe at least somewhat in “the system” because every country has a system and it could be much worse than here.  I’m just more cynical about it these days, necessarily so I think, because Canadians are sometimes too compliant and unquestioning.  We need to be more vocal about our rights and keep government and institutions more accountable.

[Aristides]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes I read it. I don’t think we know enough about this doctor’s specific views and his reasons for having them from this article.  It’s too easy to dismiss him as a crackpot unless we have more specifics. I wish I could trust the judge and the journalism on this, but I don’t.  

Here's some specifics from Alberta. He was buying veterinarian grade Ivermectin and treating patients with it. Kind of like your doctor prescribing Bute for muscle pain.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ivermectin-covid-alberta-nagase-1.6205075

Edited August 12, 2023 by Aristides

[herbie]

Some people have their minds closed so hard they can't tell if it's day or night.

Just how much evidence will it take to convince them he's a loonie-tune? Could be buried under a mountain if it and still claim the quack was correct and the Judge clueless.

[myata]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

We ultimately have to believe at least somewhat in “the system”

Here's the thing: "believing" in it won't make it work according to the democratic standard, and even to the minimal standard necessary for keeping a democracy. Russia can believe all it wants that it has courts and the Constitution but it won't change its reality of a deeply authoritarian state one tiny bit. No, it's just not enough and more, much more is needed.

[Goddess]

The 3 patients he treated with Ivermectin were dying. They were very elderly.

It was the patients themselves and their families who requested that ivm be tried, as there were many reports of it working from all over the world. (The governments of Mexico and Ecuador provided it in "covid kits"  distributed free to all citizens.)

The patients all recovered after being given ivm.

It was not the patients or their families who lodged the complaints against Dr. Nagasse.

I can't believe you're still on the "horse paste" lies fed to you by the CBC.

For gawd's sake, look up Ivermectin and get educated so you quit making a fool of yourself.

Frankly, if I was dying and a doctor wanted to put himself on the line and prescribe me a medication that was having success with other patients....thats the doctor I want.

I mean really, y'all took an experimental genetic therapy shot for a RESPIRATORY virus, with no long term trials, produced by sketchy Pharma companies who you can't sue..... and you're mocking people who took a Nobel Prize winning medication safely given to billions of humans every year?

And some of you are still repeatedly jabbing yourself with it! ??

But yeah, those Ivermectin people....what a bunch of loons, right? ?

 

[Goddess]

Also, the "veterinary grade" ivermectin  is the same as for humans, you just need to scale the dosage for body weight, which as a prescribing doctor, I'm guessing Dr. Nagasse knew how to do.

Fun fact: the antibiotics people buy for fish can also be used for humans. Many preppers order supplies of fish antibiotics for a SHTF scenario. 

 

[West]

Far left communist judge. Not surprised. 

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Why is it so hard for some people to respect medical discretion?  

It's impossible when the quack asking for the discretion argues that the judge violated their "right of protection and preservation of the vessels of my bloodline [and] … the vessels of the souls of my children."

Why hasn't it crossed your mind to ask yourself why it's so easy for you?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's impossible when the quack asking for the discretion argues that the judge violated their "right of protection and preservation of the vessels of my bloodline [and] … the vessels of the souls of my children."

Why hasn't it crossed your mind to ask yourself why it's so easy for you?

Based on what I’ve read, there are enough valid reasons to doubt the aspersions towards this doctor. I don’t think the court or professional regulator are on solid ground, but I don’t know enough details.  It looks like more arbitrariness about what constitutes acceptable views. It’s worrisome to see how certain perspectives dominate that are contestable yet form the basis of court judgements and professional license revoking.  The decision makers try to create an aura of certainty and authority that’s not very convincing upon analysis.  I thought reasonable doubt was a thing. I guess not so much in our quasi-totalitarian approach to public health and safety.

Edited August 13, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

We ultimately have to believe at least somewhat in “the system” because every country has a system and it could be much worse than here.  I’m just more cynical about it these days, necessarily so I think, because Canadians are sometimes too compliant and unquestioning.  We need to be more vocal about our rights and keep government and institutions more accountable.

I took the vaccine just to try to end the lockdowns

the total shutdown of the economy with the government dumping $600 billion newly printed dollars to offset

that much cash flooding the system was obviously going to incite the inflationary debt crisis

they can't raise interest rates high enough to constrain inflation without inciting a depression

yet inflation is driving the middle class to the brink of bankruptcy anyways

this is why the government is engaged in a constant divide and conquer strategy

because they don't actually have a solution

we're damned if they raise interest rates, we're damned if they don't

so the government is quite clearly preparing to stave off civil unrest

thus why anyone who makes the slightest fuss now, is condemned as being a "Nazi"

all the lunacy and Communist style social credit totalitarianism is driven by debt

these are the real world consequences of moral hazard coming crashing down now

[ExFlyer]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

My understanding is that Invermectin is safe for treating C-19 and has been used effectively in many countries.  I’m not sure that we can call a fast-tracked vaccine without long trials and which has had side effects like myocarditis incontestably safe.  Safety is a relative term here.  The effigies are a political statement to which he should be entitled as a Canadian.  I don’t care that he’s also a doctor.  It’s a relief that not everyone is scared to express dissent in the medical field.  With regard to still births, I’d want to know more.  Was there a spike?  Was he merely raising questions about a causal link as opposed to claiming there was one?  Was there a causal link?  Any investigation of this?

It’s important to raise questions when questionable things happen.  Sorry but I don’t think judges are infallible.  Too many strange and politically motivated sentences are handed down to have that level of faith in the justice system, though I understand that appeals end and we do have to work with the system we have.  It seems like there might be some animus regarding this doctor from the professional association and/or court and/or media.  

Well, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of BC and Alberta disagree also and pulled his licence to practice medicine.

18 hours ago, myata said:

My thought exactly. In any matters of principle Canadian justice can be just the kind of a pretty facade we see everywhere in this country. Best blah independent these are just words; they have to be seen in the reality of life but when was the last time we've seen it: independent justice standing up for citizens rights when the state violates and abuses them, as opposed to cowering to it, and then pay compensations for its failures from our own pocket? Nah past that the trough has been too appealing.

College of Physicians and Surgeons in BC and Alberta agree with the judge.

[myata]

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

College of Physicians and Surgeons in BC and Alberta agree

Do we have a great, the first tier of the world, public medical system here? What does their agreement mean? What's best for the citizens? Or corporate interests? I don't know: simply can't tell any longer.

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Based on what I’ve read, there are enough valid reasons to doubt the aspersions towards this doctor. I don’t think the court or professional regulator are on solid ground, but I don’t know enough details.  It looks like more arbitrariness about what constitutes acceptable views. It’s worrisome to see how certain perspectives dominate that are contestable yet form the basis of court judgements and professional license revoking.  The decision makers try to create an aura of certainty and authority that’s not very convincing upon analysis.  I thought reasonable doubt was a thing. I guess not so much in our quasi-totalitarian approach to public health and safety.

anybody who dissents even slightly from the state corporate imposed narrative is called a "crackpot"

thus "crackpot" has simply become a euphemism for "dissent"

which is exactly how things work in a Communist country like China or Cuba

[ExFlyer]

41 minutes ago, myata said:

Do we have a great, the first tier of the world, public medical system here? What does their agreement mean? What's best for the citizens? Or corporate interests? I don't know: simply can't tell any longer.

Huh??

Again, do you read your post before you hit submit?? LOL

Bottom line is that the College of Physicians and Surgeons in BC and Alberta (and a sitting Supreme Court Judge) know more than you, no matter how you try and slice it.

Google this flake...he is a zero.

[myata]

"Scientifically supported", right. It was the job of the independent and competent judiciary to establish at the highest possible standard of transparency and objectivity what is supported and what not only they forgot the job description. Not another coined phrase. The system erodes itself, its own credibility and no amount of "respect" and complacency we show it would stop the process now.

Edited August 13, 2023 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

51 minutes ago, myata said:

Do we have a great, the first tier of the world, public medical system here? What does their agreement mean? What's best for the citizens? Or corporate interests? I don't know: simply can't tell any longer.

Canadian healthcare is weak.  It funds cheap, anti-Hyppocratic procedures like medically assisted suicide for a wide range of reasons, including depression, but you can die on a waiting list for a diagnostic test.  Its only virtue is that all Canadians get healthcare.  What seems to go hand in hand with that are quasi-totalitarian mandatory measures such as fast-tracked vaccines.  Not having medical discretion is anti-liberal democratic.

I looked forward to the hope offered by C 19 vaccines, but they came late, were forced on people, and their effectiveness is limited.

[myata]

Many (most? needs to be checked) developed countries did not recommend "vaccines" for young children. Children may have been sick and died because of the brainless propaganda campaign rubberstamped by "professionals" while justices" looked the other way.

That was the duty for the society, not dressing in gowns and performing with the gavel. Only they forgot.