Devon Archer Transcript proves Joe had the Ukrainian prosecutor fired to help end the investigation into his son's energy firm Burisma

[WestCanMan]

On 9/24/2023 at 6:32 PM, Nationalist said:

"Well son of a b1tch. He got fired."

For some reason people always neglect to mention that the paragraph you're referencing ends with "and I put a guy in his place who was solid". 

For anyone who's keeping score, that last part is at the very least equally consequential.

- Americans want to whine about the possibility that "Russians may have colluded with Americans to influence an election  " while at the same time Americans are running around a different continent, unilaterally firing and hiring the top prosecutors of "sovereign" nations...

- Not only did he fire the guy who had just won court orders against Zlochevsky, he also hired the guy who eventually let him off the hook. 

It's one thing to fire Shokin for prosecuting Zloch, but that didn't give Biden any guarantees that the next guy wouldn't go at him even harder: the other half of the job was to put a guy in Shokin's place who would protect his son's cushy job. 

Doesn't that sound eerily familiar? Dems 1) grabbing control of the prosecutorial positions and 2) letting their favourite criminals walk?

It's their MO, bigtime. The Dems have almost total control over who does and doesn't get prosecuted in the US, nothing could be more obvious over the last 5 years. It happens with politicians, BLM rioters, Jan 6thers, etc. 

The Dems seized exact same level of power in Ukraine and Biden bragged about it. "I swing the big 'VPOTUS Dick Of Justice' in this country!"

Edited September 26, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 The main indictments and charges...

Telling people he thinks the 2020 election was fraudulent...which we know it was. However...he can say what he thinks in a free society. The USA is still a free society...isn't it?

You lie, and have clearly not read the indictments. Trump was not indicted for lying about election fraud (and only very stupid people still believe the lie after the liars confess). The federal indictment explicitly says that he has a right to lie--a right which you apparently also enjoy exercising. He was indicted for the fraud that followed--indicted for actions, not words. 

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Having classified documents and not returning them all at once. An incredibly stupid charge that will fail as soon as this dumb-ass accusation of being a traitor with that espionage crap.

Taking them, outright refusing to return them hiding them, willfully lying about them, showing them to unauthorized people while knowing it was illegal, seeking to destroy evidence to cover up the lies. You can speculate all you like about the reasons Trump did those things, but he certainly did them. 

The man staged a coup, and you're okay with that, so it stands to reason that there is literally nothing he could do to shake your faith. Congratulations, you're Job to a faithless, fat, orange bastard who will never return your love and loyalty.❤️

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You lie, and have clearly not read the indictments. Trump was not indicted for lying about election fraud (and only very stupid people still believe the lie after the liars confess). The federal indictment explicitly says that he has a right to lie--a right which you apparently also enjoy exercising. He was indicted for the fraud that followed--indicted for actions, not words.

And that's a doomed battle. Enjoy.

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Taking them, outright refusing to return them hiding them, willfully lying about them, showing them to unauthorized people while knowing it was illegal, seeking to destroy evidence to cover up the lies. You can speculate all you like about the reasons Trump did those things, but he certainly did them. 

The espionage act...lol. Doomed.

7 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The man staged a coup, and you're okay with that, so it stands to reason that there is literally nothing he could do to shake your faith. Congratulations, you're Job to a faithless, fat, orange bastard who will never return your love and loyalty.❤️

A coup you say. OMG! I bet you have evidence that shows he directed people to attempt a coup? No? Yet another doomed battle I'm afraid.

 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

And that's a doomed battle. Enjoy.

The espionage act...lol. Doomed.

A coup you say. OMG! I bet you have evidence that shows he directed people to attempt a coup? No? Yet another doomed battle I'm afraid.

 

If the criminal Trump did not claim the election was “stolen,” and instead conceded the election which he’d lost, there would have been no Jan 6 riot. 
 

If the criminal Trump hadn’t organized a “Stop the Steal” rally, there would have been no Jan 6 riot. 

If the criminal Trump had interceded in the Jan 6 riot by telling his supporters to stop or by ordering deployment of the National Guard or Armed Forces, the Jan 6 rioters would have been prevented from disrupting the U.S. Congress  

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

 

Taking them, outright refusing to return them hiding them, willfully lying about them, showing them to unauthorized people while knowing it was illegal, seeking to destroy evidence to cover up the lies. You can speculate all you like about the reasons Trump did those things, but he certainly did them.

that's what they claim but until that's actually been tested in court then you cannot say he 'certainly' did any of it. Were you there? have you actually examined the evidence to make sure there's no fakery or tampering?   We have courts for a reason, and i don't undrerstand why those on the left hate the judicial process so much. Other than it gets in the way of their lies

 

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The man staged a coup,

The man did not stage a coup.  There has not been a single shred of evidence to suggest he actually planned the riot or deliberately and willfully caused it to happen.

And it's continual lies like this over half a decade that  ruins any credibility you might have on the subject

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

A coup you say. OMG! I bet you have evidence that shows he directed people to attempt a coup? No? Yet another doomed battle I'm afraid.

Their arguments are conflicting, apparently they like to make their own case against themselves sometimes.

Eg, they wanna pretend that there was so much insurrectionist chatter that they knew something was going down, but they left the capitol virtually unguarded which leads one to believe that they were caught off-guard. They even like to pretend that the gov't was "almost overthrown by a couple hundred unarmed troglodytes" ( even one prominent Demonrat judge said as much), which again means that they were unaware of the imminent and MASSIVE threat. 

 

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

If the criminal Trump did not claim the election was “stolen,” and instead conceded the election which he’d lost, there would have been no Jan 6 riot. 
 

If the criminal Trump hadn’t organized a “Stop the Steal” rally, there would have been no Jan 6 riot. 

If the criminal Trump had interceded in the Jan 6 riot by telling his supporters to stop or by ordering deployment of the National Guard or Armed Forces, the Jan 6 rioters would have been prevented from disrupting the U.S. Congress  

 

Why should he have conceded, if he honestly thought and still thinks he won? That's not criminal.

BTW...I believe he did ask his followers to stop.

Doomed.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Nationalist

[jbander1A]

On 9/26/2023 at 11:32 AM, CdnFox said:

that's what they claim but until that's actually been tested in court then you cannot say he 'certainly' did any of it. Were you there? have you actually examined the evidence to make sure there's no fakery or tampering?   We have courts for a reason, and i don't undrerstand why those on the left hate the judicial process so much. Other than it gets in the way of their lies

 

The man did not stage a coup.  There has not been a single shred of evidence to suggest he actually planned the riot or deliberately and willfully caused it to happen.

And it's continual lies like this over half a decade that  ruins any credibility you might have on the subject

Trump is on trial for 91 felonies that he is guilty of. Who will be the witnesses against him , his closest friends , his family, his cabinet , his lawyers. His closest allies. He will be found guilty , Do you think any jury or court will find him not guilty when the witnesses are his closest dearest people . What a hoot!!!! He will be spending the rest of his life in jail, he should be put to death for treason along with anyone who supports him.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, jbander1A said:

Trump is on trial for 91 felonies that he is guilty of.

That very statement shows an ignorance that is simply shocking.  I realize that by the very nature of math 50 percent of people are going to be below average - but come on.  At least make it close.

Trump is on trial.  A trial is where guilt and culpability is determined. Until the trial is over, all you can say if you're a thinking person is "he's been accused".  That's why there's a trial.

You follow that in the same sentance with "that he is guilty of".

Do you realize how stupid that makes you sound?  Are you aware of how pointless listening to any more of your opinion is after that?

You MIGHT say something like 'and he's probably guilty' if you're a bias but sane person,  or something like the evidence we know of is stacked against him, But declaring him guilty before a trial while noting he's on trial just makes you look sad and weak minded.

 

I think jury's listen to evidence and arguments and ANYTHING can happen in a trial.  I didn't think OJ was going to get off. There's a craptonne of trials that don't go the way they appear they're going to. It doesn't matter if there's 9 charges, or 90 or 999999.  Most are tied together - there's really only 4 indictments.

NOT TO MENTION that if he can cause a delay in the trials and stall and win the next election which is a very real possibility then we may never see the end of the trials and he may never be found guilty even if he would have been had the trials concluded.

So it's kind of hard to take you seriously when you make statements like that,

 

 

[jbander1A]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That very statement shows an ignorance that is simply shocking.  I realize that by the very nature of math 50 percent of people are going to be below average - but come on.  At least make it close.

Trump is on trial.  A trial is where guilt and culpability is determined. Until the trial is over, all you can say if you're a thinking person is "he's been accused".  That's why there's a trial.

You follow that in the same sentance with "that he is guilty of".

Do you realize how stupid that makes you sound?  Are you aware of how pointless listening to any more of your opinion is after that?

You MIGHT say something like 'and he's probably guilty' if you're a bias but sane person,  or something like the evidence we know of is stacked against him, But declaring him guilty before a trial while noting he's on trial just makes you look sad and weak minded.

 

I think jury's listen to evidence and arguments and ANYTHING can happen in a trial.  I didn't think OJ was going to get off. There's a craptonne of trials that don't go the way they appear they're going to. It doesn't matter if there's 9 charges, or 90 or 999999.  Most are tied together - there's really only 4 indictments.

NOT TO MENTION that if he can cause a delay in the trials and stall and win the next election which is a very real possibility then we may never see the end of the trials and he may never be found guilty even if he would have been had the trials concluded.

So it's kind of hard to take you seriously when you make statements like that,

Funny, the world knew that OJ Simpson was guilty, as does the world know that scum bag is as guilty. We all know all the facts we are the jury, the piece of crap is guilty. You saying no one knows and we can't judge, is clown talk for I'm a tool of Trump and I have no brain. Hitler was guilty  but never had a trial. You are a iclown. By the way I really don't care what stupid people think ,so you are going to have to deal with your problems about Scum bag being guilty or not. I don't have that problem.

      The witnesses against him are his closest friends his family and his lawyers. No jury will find him not guilty. Love it>

 

 

The piece of crap will spend the rest of his pitiful life in jail, actually he deserves the death penalty for treason, as does anyone who supports his actions.

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, jbander1A said:

 

The piece of crap will spend the rest of his pitiful life in jail, actually he deserves the death penalty for treason, as does anyone who supports his actions.

Ahhh - so you're a mentally deficient fanatic.

Cool cool... Sorry to hear reality isn't working out for you but hey - you do you  

To be honest i dont' actually have a lot of emotional investment but  i would love to see him win again and dodge all of this just to see the looks on the faces of people like you

[jbander1A]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhh - so you're a mentally deficient fanatic.

Cool cool... Sorry to hear reality isn't working out for you but hey - you do you  

To be honest i dont' actually have a lot of emotional investment but  i would love to see him win again and dodge all of this just to see the looks on the faces of people like you

Just nonsense, who do you think cares what you think of them. The piece of shit won't see daylight and he should get the death sentence for being a traitor, along with any scum that supports his action. All of them like in Nazi Germany will be marked for the rest of their lives  and will spend much of what is left of it  being spit on by patriots of this great country, You will be a spittoon and I will continue to be a patriot. What a hoot.

[Michael Hardner]

On 9/26/2023 at 10:22 AM, Rebound said:

If the criminal Trump did not claim the election was “stolen,” and instead conceded the election which he’d lost, there would have been no Jan 6 riot. 
 

If the criminal Trump hadn’t organized a “Stop the Steal” rally, there would have been no Jan 6 riot. 

If the criminal Trump had interceded in the Jan 6 riot by telling his supporters to stop or by ordering deployment of the National Guard or Armed Forces, the Jan 6 rioters would have been prevented from disrupting the U.S. Congress  

 

I'm pretty sure that it will come out that Trump himself didn't care that he lost democratically as well.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm pretty sure that it will come out that Trump himself didn't care that he lost democratically as well.

Well...you have a habit of being wrong. So ya...there's that...

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Well...you have a habit of being wrong. So ya...there's that...

Can't say I don't but since we're being honest (or I am) let me ask if you would change your mind about all this if someone close to Trump testified that they knew he lost ?  That would mean that all of his statements that the election were stolen were made with the intention of attaining the office of presidency that he knew he did not win.

Would that change your mind ?

[Nationalist]

54 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Can't say I don't but since we're being honest (or I am) let me ask if you would change your mind about all this if someone close to Trump testified that they knew he lost ?  That would mean that all of his statements that the election were stolen were made with the intention of attaining the office of presidency that he knew he did not win.

Would that change your mind ?

No. I honestly believe that election was stolen. I know that, at this point, nothing can be proven. But the means with which Biden gained all those votes after the fact and from very "fishy" sources (E.G. Boxes hidden under a table AFTER evacuating most of the counters and overseers because of a plumbing emergency that turned out to be nothing). I also realize that almost all of the claims got to court and were summarily dismissed...or the court wouldn't hear the case.

So ya...I do believe that election was crooked as hell. I'm actually a bit shocked that so many are willing to just roll over in the face of so much evidence. If the evidence KNOWN is even 1% of the vote tally, that means there is a whole bunch of infractions not known about.

And why would the Libbies make such a huge thing out of simple ID proving a person is actually eligible to vote? The argument that such a reasonable and essential regulation is somehow racist is pure bullshit.!

That's what I "honestly" think.

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, jbander1A said:

Just nonsense, who do you think cares what you think of them.

Well you certainly do - you took the time to write back and complain about it    If you didn't care you woudln't bother

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The piece of shit won't see daylight and he should get the death sentence for being a traitor,

He's walking around free as a bird raking in cash and has about a 50/50 chance of being president again, and of course if that happens no jail time ever   

That's the truth - sorry kiddio, it's kind of sad this upsets you so much but it's also kind of funny, so either way i win

Also - do you know what the term "traitor" is? to be charged with it you have to help an enemy of the country. Which exterior enemy did he help?

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 All of them like in Nazi Germany will be marked for the rest of their lives  and will spend much of what is left of it  being spit on by patriots of this great country,

Seems like they're being hailed as heros by a lot of the country, and if trump wins again that'll be seen as a sign they were on the 'right side'.

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You will be a spittoon and I will continue to be a patriot. What a hoot.

LOL - dude virtually everyone here is laughing at you You may or may not be a spittoon but you're certainly a buffoon and it's great, keep going  

[jbander1A]

The Death Sentence for Treason is appropriate. and many supporters can then also be charged and the death sentence is appropriate for them also. There is only two possible outcome For scum bag and that is spending the rest of his life in jail or the death sentence, I support the death sentence for Trump.

"if prosecutors could establish that he knew in advance that his supporters planned to violently assault the Capitol, rather than peacefully protest; that he intended his speech urging them to “fight harder” to spur them to attack Congress imminently; and that he purposely didn’t do anything to stop the insurrection while it was unfolding—or, worse, intentionally contributed to a security failure that led to the breach. Then Trump would have engaged in treason along with supporters who attempted, in his name, to overthrow the U.S. government. At a minimum, it appears that Trump, along with top government officials, was aware that his followers were planning acts of violence. Trump did, however, say, in the midst of his incendiary speech, “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”" https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/did-donald-trump-and-his-supporters-commit-treason 

[jbander1A]

No jury will find scumbag not guilty , his guilt will be judged by his own words(the man is stupid) his closest family, his closest friends and allies , his lawyers. and his cabinet. No one will not believe them. He is toast. Love it>

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, jbander1A said:

The Death Sentence for Treason is appropriate. and many supporters can then also be charged and the death sentence is appropriate for them also. There is only two possible outcome For scum bag and that is spending the rest of his life in jail or the death sentence, I support the death sentence for Trump.

"if prosecutors could establish that he knew in advance that his supporters planned to violently assault the Capitol, rather than peacefully protest; that he intended his speech urging them to “fight harder” to spur them to attack Congress imminently; and that he purposely didn’t do anything to stop the insurrection while it was unfolding—or, worse, intentionally contributed to a security failure that led to the breach. Then Trump would have engaged in treason along with supporters who attempted, in his name, to overthrow the U.S. government. At a minimum, it appears that Trump, along with top government officials, was aware that his followers were planning acts of violence. Trump did, however, say, in the midst of his incendiary speech, “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”" https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/did-donald-trump-and-his-supporters-commit-treason 

ROFLMAO - well I guess that dispells the myth that the left is anything but a bunch of pscyhos who have TDS

Ok - well - you have fun at the execution now. Dress warmly.

[CdnFox]

Just now, jbander1A said:

No jury will find scumbag not guilty , his guilt will be judged by his own words(the man is stupid) his closest family, his closest friends and allies , his lawyers. and his cabinet. No one will not believe them. He is toast. Love it>

LOL - sure kid, keep telling yourself that  

[jbander1A]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO - well I guess that dispells the myth that the left is anything but a bunch of pscyhos who have TDS

Ok - well - you have fun at the execution now. Dress warmly.

God you are boring. If you don't contribute and continue to try to hijack my thread your ass is out of here. We will keep it simple for your level of intelligence , say go ahead like a good boy.

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - sure kid, keep telling yourself that  

Like I said no one cares what you think of me. you have been warned.

[jbander1A]

This is what you have to do to the people who won't contribute waste bandwidth and the best they have is I don't like you you are dumb and you can't spell, like whoopy ding

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, jbander1A said:

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God you are boring. If you don't contribute and continue to try to hijack my thread your ass is out of here. We will keep it simple for your level of intelligence , say go ahead like a good boy.

LOL - sure kid   and considering how worked up and frothing at the mouth  you've gotten i think we all totally beleve you when you say i'm boring you    If you came apart any faster there'd be concerns people would get hit by the shrapnel

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Like I said no one cares what you think of me. you have been warned.

Like i said, people who don't care don't reply.  You have been served   LOLOL

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you have been warned.

Donald Trump!??! Is that you!!!!!?!?!

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. I honestly believe that election was stolen. I know that, at this point, nothing can be proven.

So you're like a religious zealot who believes things on FAITH. Thanks for admitting that.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

But the means with which Biden gained all those votes after the fact and from very "fishy" sources (E.G. Boxes hidden under a table AFTER evacuating most of the counters and overseers because of a plumbing emergency that turned out to be nothing).

Apparently FOS LIES didn't report the explanations from GA election OFFICIALS that there was NOTHING valid about ^these ALLEGATIONS. Like the "Boxes hidden under a table" being STANDARD ballot caddies.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I also realize that almost all of the claims got to court and were summarily dismissed...or the court wouldn't hear the case.

Dismissed for LACK OF EVIDENCE means there was NO EVIDENCE given.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So ya...I do believe that election was crooked as hell. I'm actually a bit shocked that so many are willing to just roll over in the face of so much evidence.

Just cause FOS LIES reports it, does NOT make it "evidence." They had to pay $800M for LYING about the election "fraud."

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

If the evidence KNOWN is even 1% of the vote tally, that means there is a whole bunch of infractions not known about.

IF a frog had wings, it wouldn't thump it's butt.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And why would the Libbies make such a huge thing out of simple ID proving a person is actually eligible to vote? The argument that such a reasonable and essential regulation is somehow racist is pure bullshit.!

Because it is voter suppression to introduce unnecessary impediments to voting, and Republicans have a LONG HISTORY of doing that; esp in THE SOUTH, where LONG LINES have been ROUTINE in black neighborhoods.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

That's what I "honestly" think.

It's what you believe. Faith without evidence, is not any "think."