Canadians fed up with government's soft on crime and drugs approach

[TreeBeard]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Free drugs is not reducing crime or overdose deaths.  The claim that it will is a myth.  I am not sure of the reason, but giving free drugs out to people is not the answer.   Free drugs don't solve anything.  People need to quit taking drugs.  That's all there is to it.  But they need to be willing to quit.  Nobody can be forced to quit.

No one can force anyone to quit, as you said.  So, they’re going to steal your purse to get money to buy drugs.   Solution?  Make it so they can get their drugs without stealing your purse.  

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

No one can force anyone to quit, as you said.  So, they’re going to steal your purse to get money to buy drugs.   Solution?  Make it so they can get their drugs without stealing your purse.  

Since this safer supply policy is just new, we will have to wait to see what the outcome is.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

27 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Free food, too. And free housing. How about a free car? I mean, it's only monopoly money, after all. We can just print more.

We've been doing our best to 'reduce harm' to addicts for decades and all that's gotten us is more addicts and more crime and more filth in the streets.

The more we criminalize drug use, the more criminals we create and the stronger we make the cartels. With that said, I don’t think we should allow open illegal drug use on the main streets of our cities. 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, herbie said:

Proof you don't know shit, buddy.

Proof i know more than you    And i've already posted the proof.
 

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Very few people are getting "free drugs" and of course overdoses are still going up,

Read the report.  Lots are getting free drugs and even within that subgroup they're going up

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They just seized umpteen TONS of fentanyl, meaning the missed a lot more.

Yes - people are selling the free drugs and buying the dangerous ones.  That's the point

But you obviously care less about the lives of these people than you do virtue signalling and pretending. Kinda sad.

[PIK]

On 6/15/2023 at 1:34 PM, eyeball said:

Again? So how long will it take until the olde 'crack down and get tough' rhetoric wears off....again?  Probably about the time the cost and impossibility of searching every single vehicle for drugs and guns crossing our border starts to bite.

Maybe Poilievre could sell summary execution as a cost effective solution.

Isn't that what Trudeau is trying to do with MAID?

Edited June 16, 2023 by PIK

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

No one can force anyone to quit, as you said.  So, they’re going to steal your purse to get money to buy drugs.   Solution?  Make it so they can get their drugs without stealing your purse.  

Orrrr, solution - work camp! For life!

[TreeBeard]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Orrrr, solution - work camp! For life!

That’s a pretend solution that ignores Canadian law.  It’s a conservative fantasy land that offers nothing. 

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

That’s a pretend solution that ignores Canadian law.  It’s a conservative fantasy land that offers nothing. 

On the contrary. It offers a method to keep the trash off our streets while the trash does some work to help compensate us for their upkeep. Put everything under the notwithstanding clause and then replace the incompetent progressive activists on the Supreme Court ASAP.

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

On the contrary. It offers a method to keep the trash off our streets while the trash does some work to help compensate us for their upkeep. Put everything under the notwithstanding clause and then replace the incompetent progressive activists on the Supreme Court ASAP.

Sounds reasonable to me. A workable and effective compromise. No body gets executed and infrastructure is built and maintained. Interestingly enough...that's exactly how the Soviets built a lot of things.

[antiwoke]

Bill c 75 and bill c5 aim to lower black and indigenous incarceration rates. This is the government's priority over health and safety. The government intentionally places violent perpetrators of serious crime in the name of wokeness. 

 

They also don't want to order people with serious mental health issues to be hospitalized out of " care and compassion". As a result, Canada has become Zombieland with stabbing deaths common place.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Sounds reasonable to me. A workable and effective compromise. No body gets executed and infrastructure is built and maintained. Interestingly enough...that's exactly how the Soviets built a lot of things.

I'm pretty sure the unions and big construction corps would hate it.

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm pretty sure the unions and big construction corps would hate it.

Meh...they might. Or...they might be able to take advantage of the cheap labour.

[herbie]

21 hours ago, blackbird said:

Since this safer supply policy is just new, we will have to wait to see what the outcome is. 

You got it. Don't be judging it on less than a year of trying, 99% are still dying from street drugs.

If you look at it objectively and aren't simply a miserable troll like foxy here spouting nonsense just to get heard you'll start to understand. If you actually are a christian like you say, you'll understand that as we've failed at stopping them from using then at least we can stop them from dying and stealing to support their habit.
The things that affect everyone else.

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

You got it. Don't be judging it on less than a year of trying, 99% are still dying from street drugs.

If you look at it objectively and aren't simply a miserable troll like foxy here spouting nonsense j

 

And how many years of accellerated dying do you think is enough exactly?

 

I posted facts from multiple sources which have been verified by many others as a simple web search will show.  You just don't like truth if it interferes with your virtue signalling.

Which says you don't really care about dead people as long as you can pretend your personal ideology is in force. That is pretty pathetic.

The reporter who did 10 months researching this says the facts i posted are correct. The cops do. The medical community does. Advocates do.  But folks like you don't give a crap.

So what's going to happen is we'll spend a boat load of money, the people will continue to die at accelerated rates and the public will get sick to death of the whole thing and a gov't will come along and shut down all supports. The free drugs, the injection sites etc.

Then these people will have nothing and you'll be claiming that we just didn't do it long enough - just a decade or two more and it would have kicked in!  Yeash.

[eyeball]

On 6/15/2023 at 1:28 PM, herbie said:

Punish! Punish! Punish MORE. Seems to be a lot of people's concept of justice.

I think the idea is to use the justice system as a vengeance system.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I posted facts from multiple sources which have been verified by many others as a simple web search will show.  You just don't like truth if it interferes with your virtue signalling.

And as I explained, dimwit your multiple sources report numbers that are not in question. You're alarmist bullshit inferring that the numbers bear some relationship to recent drug policies is. No matter how much you bleat and squeal everyone but the thickest fool knows they're dying from fentanyl & carfentanyl not medical heroin, methadone or any other legit opiate.

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, herbie said:

And as I explained, dimwit your multiple sources report numbers that are not in question.

 

The numbers say it's not working and that's all I said too.  So basically you're admitting you're full of shit.

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You're alarmist bullshit inferring that the numbers bear some relationship to recent drug policies is.

Ahh - so police and other numbers confirming that the recent drugs provided under the recent drug policies are being sold to pay for harder drugs and other people are getting hooked  has nothing to do with recent drug policies.

Do you even listen to how stupid you sound?

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No matter how much you bleat and squeal everyone but the thickest fool knows they're dying from fentanyl & carfentanyl not medical heroin, methadone or any other legit opiate.

Educated people know they're selling the drugs they're getting and buying the more serious drugs. Which makes the problem worse because the people they're selling them to wind up getting hooked and into more serious drugs.  And that's why EVEN ONLY AMONG THE GROUPS BEING PROVIDED WITH DRUGS DEATHS ARE UP.

This is a FAILING PROJECT that's getting MORE PEOPLE HOOKED And FUNDING THE DEATHS OF THE ADDICTED.

But you don't give a shit. You just want to pretend you do. They can stack the bodies as high as they like as long as you get to virtue signal your lethal left wing ideology.

Edited June 18, 2023 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Party man, making no friends? Hey listen, a wasp can not survive the bees once they come for your head. 

Even King David knew humility, bully troll man or, woman, woman... you know it, stop hiding. ?

Oh Look - it's my drunk puppy dog    Still following me around and yapping?  It's too bad, you were doing so much better, it's sad to see you fall off the wagon like that.  Not that is a surprise from a jew hating alcoholic russian.

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

I am not russian, I know where the Jewish and Hitlerian mind goes, so how can an incel Chud like you come at me? I am a former Chud, recovered, do you want some recovery? 

So you're a jewish hitlerian?  Pretty sure you said you were russian before. You're "drunk talk" sounds like a russian struggling with his english    You should have slept that one off  

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think the idea is to use the justice system as a vengeance system.

More like using it to keep violent, criminal addicts off the street.

But you do you!

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

More like using it to keep violent, criminal addicts off the street.

But you do you!

amusingly enough BC, with it's ndp gov't, actually does have a law that allows for manditory incarceration of chronic drug abusers or the mentally ill.  The standard is fairly high but it's definitely there.

If we added one for violent offenders and used them more i think we'd get farther.  RIght now they know that if they'll act out they'll get 3 hots and a cot for their trouble and a pocket full of pills they can sell to buy the good stuff.  If they knew they'd get locked up in treatment they might be a little more motivated to try something else.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

More like using it to keep violent, criminal addicts off the street.

But you do you!

Whatever that means... In any case keeping violent criminals in prison if that's what it takes to keep the public safe sounds like a good idea.  I don't want the government to be an a-hole about it though.  I wonder if the courts have good reason to think conditions in prisons are harsh or bad enough already that it's why they use cruel and unusual at times when passing judgement.

As well as trying to get through to criminals perhaps the justice system is also trying to send a message to society and the government to approach things differently.

I'm just guessing here but I doubt another round of conservative crackin' down and gettin' tough is what the courts have in mind.

Edited June 19, 2023 by eyeball

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Whatever that means... In any case keeping violent criminals in prison if that's what it takes to keep the public safe sounds like a good idea.  I don't want the government to be an a-hole about it though.  I wonder if the courts have good reason to think conditions in prisons are harsh or bad enough already that it's why they use cruel and unusual at times when passing judgement.

To the tender, sensitive, progressive souls of academia who are appointed to our courts even raising your voice is probably considered cruel and unusual. 

The harshest thing about our prisons is that you get housed with other criminals.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

As well as trying to get through to criminals perhaps the justice system is also trying to send a message to society and the government to approach things differently.

We started approaching things differently in the 1970s. We've been getting progressively more liberal and more caring and more sensitive to backgrounds, ethnicity, racism, psychological and emotional problems and drug abuse, and making more and more excuses for them while softening punishments ever since.

It's not been working out very well. The streets are considerably less safe now than they used to be, day or night.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I'm just guessing here but I doubt another round of conservative crackin' down and gettin' tough is what the courts have in mind.

F*ck the courts. The term 'justice' is, to a certain extent, flexible. It depends on the standards and values of whoever is doing the judging. But if the term is to be applied in the criminal courts and in laws then it should represent what the great mass of citizenry believes is right given the damage done and their own value system. That's not what we're getting. We're getting justice based on the values of the academic and governing elites who largely sit above the fray.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The harshest thing about our prisons is that you get housed with other criminals.

In a manner that apparently only makes things worse. I think if the courts wanted harsher more vengeance based judgements they'd be finding more people more guilty of things and filling prisons up with them and giving them longer sentences.

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

F*ck the courts.

How do you imagine Poilievre will turn this sentiment into official government policy?

 

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by eyeball

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

We started approaching things differently in the 1970s. We've been getting progressively more liberal and more caring and more sensitive to backgrounds, ethnicity, racism, psychological and emotional problems and drug abuse, and making more and more excuses for them while softening punishments ever since.

More allowances than excuses - allowances based on a better scientific understanding of these things.

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It's not been working out very well. The streets are considerably less safe now than they used to be, day or night.

 

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From 2011 to 2021, the rate for all Criminal Code and other federal statute offences decreased by 13% in urban areas and by 3% in rural areas. Decreases were also observed in most of the crime and offence categories during that period.Feb 20, 2023

 

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