Trudeau Jnr in Ukraine - June 2023 - Biafra

[August1991]

We have seen the video. I STRONGLY disagree with this position of our Canadian federal government,

His father famously asked: "Where is Biafra?"

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Of all people, we Canadians should not involve foreigners in our affairs - nor get involved in the affairs of others.  

Edited June 11, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

28 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

.... the French Empire lost the war to the British Empire...

and Trudeau goes to Kyiv. 

Is this an alternate reality? Of course not. June 2023.  

This is a Civil War - a war between stubborn Slavs.

[August1991]

With all that said, I like:

1) Trudeau Snr's idea: "Create counterweight."

2) Putin's idea: "Multi-polar world."

[August1991]

With good luck,

This war in Ukraine will merely be another silly European dispute of land.

With bad luck,

This will become a horrific, terrific war of religion, nations or worse...    

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Good luck? This war could have been avoided.

[August1991]

I was once pro-American. I still admire your Constitution.

I am thankful that you defeated the Soviets 

But I am angry with what you Americans are doing now in the world. Please, leave us alone. 

Edited June 11, 2023 by August1991

[myata]

1. This is a fascist regime unleashing an all-out war in Europe. If Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine Canada will likely have to fight in a NATO territory.

2. If Putin succeeds in creating a precedent of changing borders by force and blackmail, the world Canada will be facing tomorrow will be that of darkness and despair. Chit chat won't help against Putins and Xis one tiny bit.

3. Trudeau is a populist authoritarian leader who seeks opportunity and attention wherever it presents itself. His qualities as an individual and a leader not in the least affect the cause of supporting Ukraine and stopping brutal aggressive dictators in their tracks.

[August1991]

20 minutes ago, myata said:

1. This is a fascist regime unleashing an all-out war in Europe. If Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine Canada will likely have to fight in a NATO territory.

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I disagree.

The comparison is not Hitler/Mussolini in the 1930s. Our current world situation is like 1912 or so.

We have a clueless elite - like the Titanic.

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In 1910 or so, the world was civilised. As now, people lived better. Then, in August 1914, the elite lead us into a foolish war. .  

Edited June 11, 2023 by August1991

[myata]

3 minutes ago, August1991 said:

The comparison is not Hitler

Putin is 100% Hitler in today's Europe. Complete with the appeasement and development phase.

[August1991]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

Putin is 100% Hitler in today's Europe. Complete with the appeasement and development phase.

You are strongly mistaken.

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Read Kissinger. Trudeau Snr. Read Tolstoi.

[myata]

8 minutes ago, August1991 said:

You are strongly mistaken.

Facts show that I'm not. Empty talk didn't stop the developing aggressor and neither slaps on the wrist. A strong and decisive action could have done it, in the early 2000, 2008 maybe 2014 still. And now supporting Ukraine and defeating the invasion, at that, utterly and spectacularly is the only alternative to Canadians going to fight on NATO soil.

[August1991]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Facts show that I'm not. Empty talk didn't stop the developing aggressor and neither slaps on the wrist. A strong and decisive action could have done it, in the early 2000, 2008 maybe 2014 still. And now supporting Ukraine and defeating the invasion, at that, utterly and spectacularly is the only alternative to Canadians going to fight on NATO soil.

Myata,

So called "smart people" like you - an elite - provoked the war in 1914.  Then, millions of ordinary guys died and a civilised society disappeared. My Montreal is a remnant.

  

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

Of all people, we Canadians should not involve foreigners in our affairs - nor get involved in the affairs of others.  

Perhaps because you are in French Canada, you miss the impossibility of your wishes here. Trudeau senior spoke of the elephant next door. They bring us along with them in any endeavors, economic, cultural, diplomatic.

Or you could wish that we go as Albania was to the USSR.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, August1991 said:

I was once pro-American. I still admire your Constitution.

I am thankful that you defeated the Soviets 

But I am angry with what you Americans are doing now in the world. Please, leave us alone. 

Oh yes, please leave us alone with Vladimir Putin, for our fabulously powerful and magnificently bilingual military will defend us. Also, leave us alone with Xin Jingpin, that sweet Chinese guy who only wants to be our friend. 

Why has your nurse let you at the keyboard again, frenchy?

[myata]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

So called "smart people" like you - an elite - provoked the war in 1914. 

Another adage on the guilt of Hitler's victims goes here. Nothing new. Interesting the irony of the Time itself. Back then, there was a real opportunity and the right time to stop this war, or rather make it never happen: not slap on the wrist of an aggressive dictator but make him pay full price. Impose devastating sanctions, back then, in 2014. Give military assistance to Ukraine, better still, accept her as a temporary if you wish, member. That could very well have achieved your presumed purpose: the war wouldn't have happened. Putin does not attack strong, never did and never will. He is a coward.

And so, the question: who enabled this war? Forget, "provoked".

[herbie]

Keep shouting into the wind. Along with the 6 other Canadians who don't think we should be supporting Ukraine.

[Army Guy]

On 6/11/2023 at 7:45 AM, August1991 said:

Myata,

So called "smart people" like you - an elite - provoked the war in 1914.  Then, millions of ordinary guys died and a civilised society disappeared. My Montreal is a remnant.

  

Thats how war works, August, the rich and powerful are the only ones that will benefit,  the ordinary and poor will do the fighting and dying, it has worked like that since man picked up his first club, and stole neighbors land... That is never going to change...Nothing civilized about it, war does nothing but reduces men to animals fighting until everyone is dead or quits.. Civilized people don't do that

[PIK]

Putin and the Russia Army will be crushed and the Russian people will finally hear the truth to what really happened. Hopefully then for once, do the right thing and rebuild their country, a new democratic Russia. Now if he sets off a nuke, all bets are off.

[OftenWrong]

6 minutes ago, PIK said:

Putin and the Russia Army will be crushed and the Russian people will finally hear the truth to what really happened. Hopefully then for once, do the right thing and rebuild their country, a new democratic Russia. Now if he sets off a nuke, all bets are off.

People said the exact same thing about the US misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will bring them blessings of democracy.

 

[Nationalist]

On 6/11/2023 at 8:18 PM, herbie said:

Keep shouting into the wind. Along with the 6 other Canadians who don't think we should be supporting Ukraine.

A lot more than 6 I'm afraid.

In the meantime,  Pixie-Dust had a hug-in with Comic-boy, and is doing this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/monday-volga-dnepr-cargo-plane-forfeiture-ukraine-1.6873277

Gawd the man is a dope.

[August1991]

23 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Thats how war works, August, the rich and powerful are the only ones that will benefit...

I disagree.

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I have been to Crimea. I talked to the people. They are Russian.

With that said, I agree with Trudeau Snr: some of us have an anglo mother.

[August1991]

1. This civil war (a foolish battle) could have been avoided.

2. Like Sarajevo, this battle has the potential for a much greater war.

Edited June 14, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

6 hours ago, PIK said:

Putin and the Russia Army will be crushed...

That's what the elite said in August 1914 in Germany, France about the opponent:

"It will be a short war." 

[August1991]

More likely, this will be a war of attrition.

And then, there will be a line of agreement - like in Korea.

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Current bureaucratic Americans have not considered this possibility/idea:

We are here. (WTF, there are others over there.... )

 

[PIK]

7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

People said the exact same thing about the US misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will bring them blessings of democracy.

 

This will happed from the inside. America will not be invading.

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, August1991 said:

I disagree.

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I have been to Crimea. I talked to the people. They are Russian.

With that said, I agree with Trudeau Snr: some of us have an anglo mother.

I've been to Quebec, I talked to the people , they are all English... sorry your going to need a better source than that my friend...

Crimea is or was part of the Ukraine , end of story, borders were made up, an agreement by both sides...just because some Russians live there or make up a huge portion of the population does not give a country the right to seize it by force... There are inter national laws that need to be followed, not just waved off, as aaaahhh it is just Europe being European they fight like this every 100 years... that fighting kills millions, you act as if their lives do not matter.