Muslims and Christians unite on the streets of Ottawa, trampling the Gender Ideology Flag

Army Guy · June 13, 2023

20 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yes, and sometimes you have to go to them. Like when the local Jesus crew stacked a meeting tried to ban sex ed in high schools. And ensure there aren't enough of them seated on the Board it has enough sense to table it an publicize it for a future meeting. Had to attend one such in 2003.

The biggest town in our District is nicknamed JesusLand or Churchville.

You proved my point there is something a parent can do to change what is being taught to our kids... Change never happens over night, but it does happen....

OftenWrong · June 13, 2023

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Nice strawman. Nobody is advocating for persecution or discrimination beyond those justified by the obvious physical differences between males and females. What people are saying is that children should not be bothered by the fanatic gender adjusting mob of social activists and should be left alone at least until they know what sex and sexuality are.

Protesting against lunatic progressive teachers pushing their completely unscientific gender fluidity bullshit onto bewildered kids is not akin to protesting against 'freedom' for negroes.

That's the fundamental problem with these leftists. They cannot discriminate, until eventually everything is everything else.

Finally they become what I call 'discombubberated', if you know what I mean.

eyeball · June 13, 2023

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Which adults apart from parents should have the right to your child’s confidences? That sounds like an opportunity for child abuse.

You stupid people.

I repeat, what about the the child's right to confidentiality?

eyeball · June 13, 2023

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

when does that apply, when getting a tattoo, going to the liquor store, smoking, changing sexual preferences, starting taking drugs for sexual reassignment... at what point did you give your kids full confidentiality?

I don't know that's why I'm asking.

I started treating my kids as adults when they were 16. They started trying to assert it a year before that...a year after I did when I was their age. I mean, I was traveling out west with my buddies and going logging and fishing when I was 16.

13 seems reasonable for the right to confidentiality about how they want to express themselves. As for physical sexual reassignment, I think the opinion of a team of doctors should dictate until a kid is old enough to legally drink or smoke.

I guess a kid might have a bridge to cross when it comes time for the teacher to write the kids report card. But a respectful teacher might politely ask the kid what they want.

Zeitgeist · June 13, 2023

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You stupid people.

I repeat, what about the the child's right to confidentiality?

With whom and for what reasons? Does your child have the right to steal or destroy property behind your back because it’s a secret?

Who are the trusted adults in kids’ lives? Do you trust your kids’ teachers to protect and support your kids more than you do? Maybe you do.

eyeball · June 13, 2023

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

With whom and for what reasons? Does your child have the right to steal or destroy property behind your back because it’s a secret?

Who are the trusted adults in kids’ lives? Do you trust your kids’ teachers to protect and support your kids more than you do? Maybe you do.

Jesus Murphy... You just can't wait to turn everything that doesn't line up with your sentiments into the slipperiest slope possible in your silly minds.

Did you miss where I said no crime is being committed? I guess on some level you people actually think any pronoun other than he or she should be outlawed and criminalized.

You're completely bonkers.

CdnFox · June 13, 2023

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

What about the 'child's' right to confidentiality?

And where was that written? As far as i know there is no 'right to confidentiality' from the parent

Americana Antifa · June 13, 2023

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

This is not one of those cases, this is not a useful life skill, and it is not one of those cases where parents do not have control... if a parent wishes his child do not attend those classes then that wish is normally granted...

Only in some cases, but it really shouldn't be.

And sex ed is very useful. Kids who get molested are much more likely to report it if they've had sex ed. That's the real reason conservatives are against it. And as for LGBT representation, also extremely important, as it lets queer kids know that it's ok to be queer despite the constant anti-queer propaganda in media.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I wonder how big this problem is going to be....how many children are effected by this homophobic parenting thing... 1 % maybe 5 %, how many ?

Depends on the region. In rural areas, there's insane homophobia. Either way, it should be up to the student if they want to tell their parents what their sexual orientation is. It's not like this is a case of immediate danger.

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Well people and parents are becoming more vocal about this subject, all across this nation and the US, and things are changing in some places... keeping parents in the dark is never a good tactic...

Yes, this is the current culture war that the Right is pushing. But eventually it will stop working and the Right will invent phony outrage over something else, like they always do.

CdnFox · June 13, 2023

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Slavery as a "right" is a contradiction in and of itself. That it was the law doesn't change that. It was morally corrupt and utterly indefensible.

Who said slavery is a right? Property ownership is a right.

I'm sorry if that offends you - but the fact is that slaves were considered property. Until someone came along and said "no they are human beings and your right to property doesn't extinguish that.

NOW - trans people and to an extent the letter people are claiming that their rights extinguish the human rights of others. And the argument is just as flawed now as it was with the slaves. The right to free speech, the right to religious belief, the right to protect your children etc etc are being called 'Uncanadian" if they are in conflict with this agenda.

So just as property rights did not extinguish the human rights of others, (or shouldn't have and eventually that was corrected), so too should gay/trans rights not extinguish or override the rights of others (or shouldn't and eventually that will probably be corrected).

It's that simple.

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That you think they're the same is funny. Slavery is the denial of (effectively) all rights. Is that what you figure is happening here?

If this conversation is too complicated for you - i can try to dumb it down. But i've already explained that you're way off here a few times and your cheezy attempts at emotional arguments are the stuff of elementary school debates.

9 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Only in some cases, but it really shouldn't be.

And sex ed is very useful. Kids who get molested are much more likely to report it if they've had sex ed. That's the real reason conservatives are against it. And as for LGBT representation, also extremely important, as it lets queer kids know that it's ok to be queer despite the constant anti-queer propaganda in media.

Depends on the region. In rural areas, there's insane homophobia. Either way, it should be up to the student if they want to tell their parents what their sexual orientation is. It's not like this is a case of immediate danger.

Yes, this is the current culture war that the Right is pushing. But eventually it will stop working and the Right will invent phony outrage over something else, like they always do.

Well we know all of that is pretty much false.

Lets face it - you know painfully well that if you don't start grooming someone from birth immediately you're NEVER going to get a date

eyeball · June 13, 2023

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And where was that written? As far as i know there is no 'right to confidentiality' from the parent

At what age should that right exist?

Again, there is no crime being committed such as smoking or drinking underage. To put things in perspective I don't imagine anyone would think it's appropriate that a kid should expect confidentiality if they're bullying other kids.

CdnFox · June 13, 2023

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

At what age should that right exist?

When they become adults and are no longer the direct responsibility of the parent.

We hold parents legally accountable for their children's actions until adulhood - and the courts say that a child can be held responsible for their actions when they reach adulthood. Soooo - at that point the parents don't need to know and the kid can make their own decision.

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Again, there is no crime being committed such as smoking or drinking underage. To put things in perspective I don't imagine anyone would think it's appropriate that a kid should expect confidentiality if they're bullying other kids.

There's no crime being committed if the child becomes sick or injured either - but the school should probably tell the parent. In fact they're required to. You would expect the school would call the parent and say 'sorry, little jimmy is headed to the hospital with a fractured femur", you would NOT expect them to not do that and later say "Oh you found out about that? Ohhh wellll - we didn't want to tell you when it happened, we were afraid of how you might react".

These issues are signs of possible serious medical or mental health issues - they should be disclosed to the parent. If the child has actual fears for their safety things can be done, including removing the child from an unsafe environment if necessary. but this 'future crimes' as an excuse to withhold critical info is just not ok,

blackbird · June 13, 2023

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Again, there is no crime being committed such as smoking or drinking underage.

You are not correct according to information on the link below. There may be crimes being committed.

"Introducing children to this program is a portal for exposing minors to sexually explicit/pornographic materials (books, magazines, comic strips), sexually deviancy (such as teaching children to masturbate and introducing youth to organizations that are involved in exploiting minors). These are criminal offences according to Section 163.1, Section 152 of the Criminal Code, and the Canadian Centre for Child Protection defines them as sexual abuse."

Notice of Liability to Remove Explicit Books & Radical LGBTQ Learning Resource | Action4Canada

Edited June 13, 2023 by blackbird

blackbird · June 13, 2023

On May 15, 2022 Action4Canada provided an extensive report exposing the UN Agenda to sexualize children through the education system. We provided examples of pornographic books accessible to Kindergarten through Grade twelve minors in schools and public libraries. The extensive list of books is recommended by the ARC Foundation and SOGI-123. SOGI-123 is a learning resource that was added to school curriculums in 2016. The resource is integrated into every subject, including PE, so parents cannot opt their children out. SOGI was introduced as an anti-bullying program to gain acceptance but it is anything but. SOGI stands for Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and is a highly politically charged sexual education that focuses on all things LGBTQ, especially converting to transgenderism. Thus the over 4500% increase in girls who are now saying they are a boy and not a girl.

According to a 2018 study there has been a 4515% increase in girls seeking to ‘transition’ to the opposite sex. “Some educationalists have previously warned that the promotion of transgender issues in schools has ‘sown confusion’ in children’s minds and that encouraging children to question gender has ‘become an industry,’ "

Notice of Liability to Remove Explicit Books & Radical LGBTQ Learning Resource | Action4Canada

Americana Antifa · June 13, 2023

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well we know all of that is pretty much false.

https://siecus.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/If-Then-Sexual-Assault-Final.pdf

https://www.eyesopeniowa.org/news/how-comprehensive-sex-education-prevents-sexual-abuse

Hence the real reason you're against sex ed. Pedocon theory, am I right?

Zeitgeist · June 13, 2023

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Jesus Murphy... You just can't wait to turn everything that doesn't line up with your sentiments into the slipperiest slope possible in your silly minds.

Did you miss where I said no crime is being committed? I guess on some level you people actually think any pronoun other than he or she should be outlawed and criminalized.

You're completely bonkers.

I think you’ve bought into gender pseudoscience and the misplaced notion that the state is within its rights to interfere and should interfere with how parents raise their kids in the name of this ideology that has no scientific basis. It’s reckless, stupid, and abusive. It’s a violation of a variety of rights.

I feel sorry for this generation of children, because they are the victims of this. The family unit is being undermined. I’m amazed to watch al of this unfold in Canada with near silence.

Religious rights are gone. Canada has become a parody of its formerly democratic self. Just remember how it happened. You get to thank yourself for hastening the downfall.

Edited June 13, 2023 by Zeitgeist

Zeitgeist · June 13, 2023

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

On May 15, 2022 Action4Canada provided an extensive report exposing the UN Agenda to sexualize children through the education system. We provided examples of pornographic books accessible to Kindergarten through Grade twelve minors in schools and public libraries. The extensive list of books is recommended by the ARC Foundation and SOGI-123. SOGI-123 is a learning resource that was added to school curriculums in 2016. The resource is integrated into every subject, including PE, so parents cannot opt their children out. SOGI was introduced as an anti-bullying program to gain acceptance but it is anything but. SOGI stands for Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and is a highly politically charged sexual education that focuses on all things LGBTQ, especially converting to transgenderism. Thus the over 4500% increase in girls who are now saying they are a boy and not a girl.

According to a 2018 study there has been a 4515% increase in girls seeking to ‘transition’ to the opposite sex. “Some educationalists have previously warned that the promotion of transgender issues in schools has ‘sown confusion’ in children’s minds and that encouraging children to question gender has ‘become an industry,’ "

Notice of Liability to Remove Explicit Books & Radical LGBTQ Learning Resource | Action4Canada

It would be interesting to know how much this ideology is damaging mental health. The general public isn’t aware of how hard a small segment of activists has pushed to transform our education systems. Kids are being indoctrinated to embrace transgenderism. Parents who oppose this and other aspects of the “rainbow” on religious grounds are expected to support this indoctrination. It’s well worth it for parents to push back against this agenda. I hope millions of parents come together and stand up to protect their kids and public education. It will also have to happen at the political level. I will be asking trustees and other political candidates directly where they stand on these issues and voting with this issue in mind. I’ll also ensure that I don’t buy products from any companies that promote this agenda.

Edited June 13, 2023 by Zeitgeist

Nationalist · June 13, 2023

It's sooo impressive to see these Muslims get together with the infidels they hate, in order to oppose something they hate even more.

Looks like your darling "refugees" have turned on you...hey Libbies?

Dumb diddy dumb diddy dumb dumb dumb.

OftenWrong · June 13, 2023

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

On May 15, 2022 Action4Canada provided an extensive report exposing the UN Agenda to sexualize children through the education system. We provided examples of pornographic books accessible to Kindergarten through Grade twelve minors in schools and public libraries. The extensive list of books is recommended by the ARC Foundation and SOGI-123. SOGI-123 is a learning resource that was added to school curriculums in 2016. The resource is integrated into every subject, including PE, so parents cannot opt their children out. SOGI was introduced as an anti-bullying program to gain acceptance but it is anything but. SOGI stands for Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and is a highly politically charged sexual education that focuses on all things LGBTQ, especially converting to transgenderism. Thus the over 4500% increase in girls who are now saying they are a boy and not a girl.

According to a 2018 study there has been a 4515% increase in girls seeking to ‘transition’ to the opposite sex. “Some educationalists have previously warned that the promotion of transgender issues in schools has ‘sown confusion’ in children’s minds and that encouraging children to question gender has ‘become an industry,’ "

Notice of Liability to Remove Explicit Books & Radical LGBTQ Learning Resource | Action4Canada

Interesting and informative material for us to ponder on. I doubt anyone here who supports the new transgenderism in child education will touch this.

Quick, look away, look away.

myata · June 13, 2023

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well - if that's the case then why are we letting the kid stay with them at all? If theres a serious threat of violence then the kids shouldn't be there.

So you are supposed to care for your child 365/24/7 and not know essential information like their gender? Who is doing the thinking here? How? Why?

OK the last one is the easiest: "because we can". No, it won't be back in the bottle now. How? Why?

CdnFox · June 13, 2023

7 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

https://siecus.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/If-Then-Sexual-Assault-Final.pdf

https://www.eyesopeniowa.org/news/how-comprehensive-sex-education-prevents-sexual-abuse

Hence the real reason you're against sex ed. Pedocon theory, am I right?

As i noted - false. Your links don't show otherwise. Groom harder.

CdnFox · June 13, 2023

1 hour ago, myata said:

So you are supposed to care for your child 365/24/7 and not know essential information like their gender? Who is doing the thinking here? How? Why?

OK the last one is the easiest: "because we can". No, it won't be back in the bottle now. How? Why?

God i wish you'd learn how to talk like a normal person. Nobody knows what you mean 3/4s of the time.

Americana Antifa · June 13, 2023

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

As i noted - false. Your links don't show otherwise. Groom harder.

I know you're not going to click on them. Whenever I show you evidence, it's really for the other people here who actually care.

I'm sure you've already made up your mind on this. Sex ed teaches kids about consent and how strangers shouldn't touch their private parts, so of course you're against sex ed.

I am Groot · June 13, 2023

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

You stupid people.

I repeat, what about the the child's right to confidentiality?

A child rarely has such a right with regard to their parents.

I am Groot · June 13, 2023

20 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

At what age is it ok for kids to see gay couples depicted in media the same way they see straight couples depicted in media?

Why is that relevant? Parents mostly control what their kids see in media at an early age anyway. We're talking here about teaching, about kids who don't even know what sex is being taught by largely incompetent adults in a way that almost encourages them to feel they're perfectly free to 'choose' what gender they want to be without consequence. Given the confusion and fanaticism around this subject, especially among the identity zealots in the academic and education world, they shouldn't be allowed to even speak to children about it.

95% of young people who claim to be transgender aren't. They're largely young girls uncomfortable with their changing bodies and the interest that draws, and young guys confused and bewildered about the male role in society, given how males have been denigrated and emasculated by our cultural elites. Top that up with people who are mentally/emotionally ill looking for an excuse for their problems, as well as sympathy and attention.

And people like you just encourage them.

CdnFox · June 13, 2023

23 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I know you're not going to click on them. Whenever I show you evidence, it's really for the other people here who actually care.

You're wrong twice. I did click on them and nobody cares about what you have to say. You're the comic relief here But they didn't support your statements. Sorry.

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I'm sure you've already made up your mind on this. Sex ed teaches kids about consent and how strangers shouldn't touch their private parts, so of course you're against sex ed.

And that's why nobody takes you seriously

groom harder! Maybe you can get a date finally if you program them young enough