Muslims and Christians unite on the streets of Ottawa, trampling the Gender Ideology Flag

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhhh - he's UNCONSCIOUSLY  a nazi! Gotcha!  Because being a anzi by accident is a thing.  Like .. you could trip and fall and be a nazi if you were not careful   LOL

Strawmanning. I don't think he's a nazi at all.

But I know you have to strawman since you can't defend your defense of accepting nazis in the Right.

[Moonbox]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But you could. And those who felt you should be allowed to literally presented this very argument - that emancipation would be an infringement on their rights. And they DID have those rights, at the time.

It was a contradiction to argue in the first place - that they had the right to take away all of someone else's rights.  

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So it is actually a pretty good one Somebody said that the rights of others ended where they infringed upon their rights and we correctly realized that the greater harm was to not allow the slaves to go free.' (eventually). 

Ignoring the obvious contradiction of slavery as a 'right', comparing it to what bathroom someone uses to go pee pee and poo poo is an absurd false equivalence.  

[blackbird]

Trudeau dismisses parental rights as far right, like a true Marxist Commie.

Michael Higgins: Justin Trudeau dismisses parental rights as 'far right' (msn.com)

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Strawmanning. I don't think he's a nazi at all.

You very clearly do - you are literally saying what i suggested you are - that he's a nazi by accident. HE's not a REAL nazi - he just thinks exactly like one.

It's beyond cheezy.

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

It was a contradiction to argue in the first place - that they had the right to take away all of someone else's rights. 

That is literally my precise point.

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Ignoring the obvious contradiction of slavery as a 'right', comparing it to what bathroom someone uses to go pee pee and poo poo is an absurd false equivalence.  

Bullshit. A right is a right or it isn't. Pretending that it's ok to violate some rights if we feel like it and not others without justifiable reason is not a sensible argument.

The right to free speech, the rights of parents to raise their children, the right to religious belief, all these and others are being put on the table right now, and sorry but those are big deals.

The whole 'false equivalency' thing is just a cheap and low brow attempt to dismiss serious concerns.

Especially when there IS no right to Pee Pee in the location of your choice.  And especially for trans - at least gays have the legitimate claim that they are a naturally occurring ethnicity that is perfectly healthy in and of itself as a biological group - transgender people are suffering from a mental illness.  We don't generally consider people with a mental illness to be an ethnicity .

 

 

[herbie]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

What people are saying is that children should not be bothered by the fanatic gender adjusting mob of social activists and should be left alone at least until they know what sex and sexuality are

And if they're in school they should already know. If they don't they should be taught.
Because you failed in your parental duty to teach them.

[I am Groot]

37 minutes ago, herbie said:

And if they're in school they should already know. If they don't they should be taught.
Because you failed in your parental duty to teach them.

You seem to be suggesting that once they're six years old they have to be told all about gender fluidity and transgenderism and that they might not really be a little boy/girl and that they can change and all that stuff.

You're in a tiny minority there. I realize you might not think so because the progressive crowded into mainstream media, arts, and academia would never suggest such a thing, but you are.

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, herbie said:

And if they're in school they should already know. If they don't they should be taught.
Because you failed in your parental duty to teach them.

No, that is not accurate. Children shouldn't be thinking about sexuality till they're a little older. And every kid matures differently so it should be a parental decision exclusively.

I know that people like you think that only the state is fit to raise people's children and parents should have no say (unless they say the things the state agrees with), But in a free society parents are responsible for the children.

[Zeitgeist]

48 minutes ago, herbie said:

And if they're in school they should already know. If they don't they should be taught.
Because you failed in your parental duty to teach them.

Teach them what at what age?  You ranted on here about your own confused family and friends, threw up your hands and said, but that’s just how it is.  What you don’t seem to get is that most parents want to raise their boys to be boys and their girls to be girls, with good examples of each.  If their kids really felt like another gender and this feeling persisted, they would seek help. It probably wouldn’t be surgery at a young age.

Most parents want to see their family prosper down the generations.  They hope for grandchildren eventually.  If their kids presented same sex orientation, they would adjust and support, though some would have a harder time doing this than others.

What many parents don’t want is an advertisement of alternative gender expressions and orientations for children.  It looks like an agenda, maybe because it is. The publicly-funded school boards are caving into the voices of the ideologues who drafted policies without public input at a time before the impacts of these policies were felt. Now the public can feel the impacts and they’re divisive.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Americana Antifa]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You seem to be suggesting that once they're six years old they have to be told all about gender fluidity and transgenderism and that they might not really be a little boy/girl and that they can change and all that stuff.

You're in a tiny minority there. I realize you might not think so because the progressive crowded into mainstream media, arts, and academia would never suggest such a thing, but you are.

At what age is it ok for kids to see gay couples depicted in media the same way they see straight couples depicted in media?

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

At what age is it ok for kids to see gay couples depicted in media the same way they see straight couples depicted in media?

Get real.  Most media advertising has disproportionately high LGBTQ content. 

[Americana Antifa]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Get real.  Most media advertising has disproportionately high LGBTQ content. 

That's nice, but it's beside the point.

At what age is it ok for kids to see gay couples depicted in media the same way they see straight couples depicted in media?

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's nice, but it's beside the point.

At what age is it ok for kids to see gay couples depicted in media the same way they see straight couples depicted in media?

It’s already happening for all ages.  It’s in Disney kids’ films.  If you’re asking if I think that’s good, my answer is that the depictions shouldn’t be sexualized for kids.  The representation is disproportionately high for LGBTQ. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's nice, but it's beside the point.

At what age is it ok for kids to see gay couples depicted in media the same way they see straight couples depicted in media?

they see it all the time, if they're born to gay parents (yes that happens) they see it from the moment they open their eyes.

So - "seeing" it isn't the issue.  They see heteros too

But we dont' sit down and start teaching them about what that means or about sexuality when they're children.

So all we're saying is that gay and hetero couples are the same thing - kids see them but they don't really understand that relationship as a sexual one till they're older.

But that's not what people like you want is it  

[Americana Antifa]

Just now, CdnFox said:

they see it all the time, if they're born to gay parents (yes that happens) they see it from the moment they open their eyes.

So - "seeing" it isn't the issue.  They see heteros too

But we dont' sit down and start teaching them about what that means or about sexuality when they're children.

So all we're saying is that gay and hetero couples are the same thing - kids see them but they don't really understand that relationship as a sexual one till they're older.

But that's not what people like you want is it  

You didn't answer the question. At what age is it ok for kids to see gay couples depicted in media the same way they see straight couples depicted in media?

Is six old enough or should it be older? Come on, throw a number at me.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You didn't answer the question. At what age is it ok for kids to see gay couples depicted in media the same way they see straight couples depicted in media?

Is six old enough or should it be older? Come on, throw a number at me.

I did answer the question. Your reading comprehension skills are as soft as ever.

Why don't you tell us.  Go ahead and give your opinion and we'll see if it's different.

[Dougie93]

On 6/11/2023 at 1:41 PM, bcsapper said:

Maybe I can get them interested in Peter Rabbit instead.

the author, Beatrix Potter,  was an English Unitarian

they believe that God is the creator of the Universe

and that Jesus of Nazareth is the Saviour of Mankind

but they do not believe that Jesus is equivalent to God Himself, merely a mortal man inspired by God

they also reject the concept of Original Sin

I wouldn't have any quarrel with that myself, at least she wasn't a godless atheist Bolshevik

God bless her

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the author, Beatrix Potter,  was an English Unitarian

they believe that God is the creator of the Universe

and that Jesus of Nazareth is the Saviour of Mankind

but they do not believe that Jesus is equivalent to God Himself, merely a mortal man inspired by God

they also reject the concept of Original Sin

I wouldn't have any quarrel with that myself, at least she wasn't a godless atheist Bolshevik

God bless her

I especially liked her collaboration with Sven Hassel.

 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

I especially liked her collaboration with Sven Hassel.

I prefer Watership Down meself

even tho my dogs kill & eat the rabbits without quarter nor mercy

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I especially liked her collaboration with Sven Hassel.

in actual fact, rabbits are dumb as posts

they birth their babies right under the the noses of my voracious Labradors

who proceed to eat the rabbit children as appetizers

but even the adult rabbits cannot escape

they run to the back fence in a panic, but can't find a way past it

my dogs then corner them and tear them to pieces

bloody good sport

I was pulling our of my driveway this morning, and a rabbit froze in front of me in the street

I said, alright, old bean, let's go, and honked the horn to run him off

a future meal for my dogs, heading towards his doom on my estate

Edited June 12, 2023 by Dougie93

[West]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Trudeau dismisses parental rights as far right, like a true Marxist Commie.

Michael Higgins: Justin Trudeau dismisses parental rights as 'far right' (msn.com)

Sick man

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

It looks like an agenda, maybe because it is. The publicly-funded school boards are caving into the voices of the ideologues who drafted policies without public input at a time before the impacts of these policies were felt. Now the public can feel the impacts and they’re divisive.

Rupa Subramanya: The progressive left discards Muslims as un-Canadian

Support for minorities from the left is contingent on buying into an extremist position on gender transitioning for children

On the weekend, prominent activist, Chris Elston, popularly known as “Billboard Chris,” because he protests while wearing a sandwich board placard at events around the world making the case for a traditional binary understanding of gender identity, and Josh Alexander, an Ontario high school student who was suspended by his school for protesting the adoption of gender ideology in the Catholic school system organized a protest in Ottawa. To be absolutely clear, the Ottawa protest was not targeting gay rights but gender transition for kids. In fact, some prominent gay activists featured as part of the protest.

In response, a counter protest was organized by Horizon Ottawa, a far left NGO, active in promoting progressive social causes across the city. They partnered with labour unions, including the Public Service Alliance of Canada — now back at work after their prolonged strike — and community groups in the Ottawa neighbourhood of Westboro. While the protest and the counter-protest were largely peaceful, two apparent counter-protesters wearing balaclavas attempted to tackle Billboard Chris, but he kept his ground.

The demographic profile of the two groups couldn’t have been more starkly distinct. On the front lines of the anti gender ideology protests were people of colour and devout Muslims, as well as Christians, facing off against mostly masked old stock white Canadians leading the counter protesters. The progressive left which immediately judges any cause they disagree with as being “far right,” because it might constitute mainly white Canadians, were here mostly white, facing protesters against the trans agenda who were far more diverse than they were, almost representing a cross section of Canada. The cognitive dissonance was palpable.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-progressive-left-discards-muslims-as-un-canadian

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

in actual fact, rabbits are dumb as posts

they birth their babies right under the the noses of my voracious Labradors

who proceed to eat the rabbit children as appetizers

 

Rabbits have Planned Parenthood!  Who knew?

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Rabbits have Planned Parenthood!  Who knew?

dumbest wild animal I have ever encountered

a rooster is more cunning than a rabbit

the rabbit is a mammal outwitted by a bird

my dogs won't mess with a rooster, a rooster is not be trifled with

the rooster goes on the attack, flapping & crowing & flashing his talons

the dogs all scatter in the face of him

Edited June 12, 2023 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Trudeau dismisses parental rights as far right, like a true Marxist Commie.

Michael Higgins: Justin Trudeau dismisses parental rights as 'far right' (msn.com)

What on Earth does an economist's political affiliation have to do with anything? I'm quite certain Marx would be as aghast at the smearing association between him and Trudeau as Hitler would be.

In any case...

From the article

Parental rights and the rights of children are clearly at odds here. Maybe standing up for the child does mean standing against the parents, as Trudeau suggested. But an intelligent discussion about the issue isn’t helped by the prime minister throwing out political smears. 

When the right of a child to confidentiality is at issue I'd suggest the line that differentiates them from being an adult  gets really blurry.

We're not talking about a crime after all.