More Liberal lies about the carbon taxes...

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you don't like hearing about "imaginary friends", just ignore the comments I make.  Don't even read them.  Simple.  Not difficult at all.

One. Thread. Just one, just to prove you're a rational person and not an addict.

[ironstone]

16 hours ago, herbie said:

If you've noticed your paying more with carbon taxes, you're 'getting the picture'.

If you think it's more effective to whine so loud about it the whole society changes for you than adjust yourself to fit in, grow up, you're not 14 anymore.

And if you're one of those who actually believes 3c extra tax justifies a litre of gas go up 25c then just keep voting Conservative, fool. It mysteriously went up a nickel here the day before they had the tax increase. I'll be gassing up today to see just how much extra Big Oil ripped everyone for.

 

I can't speak for anyone else but I keep my thermostat low. I drive a small car. I have had upgrades to my home, windows, more attic insulation, high efficiency furnace. Soon new siding and Tyvek wrap underneath. I try not to drive on weekends. I cut out some things on groceries.

And yet, in spite of all this, I am paying out more every month than ever before. I do have to go to work and public transit is not an option because of where I live. 

What more do you expect from people that are already getting squeezed?

[blackbird]

All this carbon tax propaganda and taxes, regulations, net zero, and war on climate change has to do with the globalist U.N./ Liberal, Romanist drive for the new world order.  It is the best excuse they have come up with yet to tax and control mankind, especially Romanist, liberal Trudeau and his elite Laurentians.  Maybe it is being run with the Papal blessing in the background.

[Nationalist]

The climate religion...such an expensive farce.

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Yet...no...we are not gonna die. Of all the predictions you climate religious have made, zero have to to pass.

ZERO.

Edited April 3, 2023 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yet...no...we are not gonna die.

well....  i mean, technically.....

[Zeitgeist]

The carbon tax is just a communist redistribution program of theft that does nothing for the environment.  

[CdnFox]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

The carbon tax is just a communist redistribution program of theft that does nothing for the environment.  

I think it's probably even more simple that that - gov'ts need taxes but people hate them.  So with a few lies they've created a tax that people are HAPPY to pay - and even better they get to be seen to be giving the people money! How many people do you think are so stupid they get that refund cheque and say "god i really needed this money right now - thanks Carbon tax liberal gov't!"  Without realizing they'd have HAD more money if there was no tax.

It's just a new way to increase taxes without blowback from the public. If you complain about the  tax you're an evil climate denier and you're trying to kill our children.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I think it's probably even more simple that that - gov'ts need taxes but people hate them.  So with a few lies they've created a tax that people are HAPPY to pay - and even better they get to be seen to be giving the people money! How many people do you think are so stupid they get that refund cheque and say "god i really needed this money right now - thanks Carbon tax liberal gov't!"  Without realizing they'd have HAD more money if there was no tax.

It's just a new way to increase taxes without blowback from the public. If you complain about the  tax you're an evil climate denier and you're trying to kill our children.

The preferred groups get the bigger cheques.  Government declares fuel, a necessity for rural folk and many city dwellers, to be made obsolete using high taxation without providing a viable alternative, as electric vehicles are expensive (not to mention environmentally concerning) and the transit/train network is grossly inefficient.  Not to worry though, they’ll use our money to heavily subsidize solar and wind systems that produce little power and require oil and gas-fueled power when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing.

These are unscientific ideologues who create communist policies that they draw on the backs of napkins during flights on their private jets.  Totally phoney hypocrites.  Rules for thee but not for me.  

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The preferred groups get the bigger cheques.  Government declares fuel, a necessity for rural folk and many city dwellers, to be made obsolete using high taxation without providing a viable alternative, as electric vehicles are expensive (not to mention environmentally concerning) and the transit/train network is grossly inefficient.  Not to worry though, they’ll use our money to heavily subsidize solar and wind systems that produce little power and require oil and gas-fueled power when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing.

These are unscientific ideologues who create communist policies that they draw on the backs of napkins during flights on their private jets.  Totally phoney hypocrites.  Rules for thee but not for me.  

dude i think they just want your money

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The preferred groups get the bigger cheques.  Government declares fuel, a necessity for rural folk and many city dwellers, to be made obsolete using high taxation without providing a viable alternative, as electric vehicles are expensive (not to mention environmentally concerning) and the transit/train network is grossly inefficient.  Not to worry though, they’ll use our money to heavily subsidize solar and wind systems that produce little power and require oil and gas-fueled power when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing.

These are unscientific ideologues who create communist policies that they draw on the backs of napkins during flights on their private jets.  Totally phoney hypocrites.  Rules for thee but not for me.  

I really wish they would just come clean with this horseshit.

The western world is in a period of an inverted age distribution. More elderly than young. A shitty situation. To pay for it, especially since we know the pension funds are in serious jeopardy, we invent more taxes like...carbon tax...on a carbon based planet.

And way to many have bought into this asinine idea. Wouldn't it be refreshing if one of them just came clean with raw facts instead of dumb-ass fear porn?

Edited April 3, 2023 by Nationalist

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I really wish they would just come clean with this horseshit.

The western world is in a period of an inverted age distribution. More elderly than young. A shitty situation. To pay for it, especially since we know the pension funds are in serious jeopardy, we invent more taxes like...carbon tax...on a carbon based planet.

And way to many have bought into this asinine idea. Wouldn't it be refreshing if one of them just came clean with raw facts instead of dumb-ass fear porn?

The Liberals just want as much of your money as possible so that they can decide what everyone deserves because they think they know better than the taxpayers who pay their wages.  Shrink government, scrap carbon taxes, and expand our rights so that these immoral communists can’t complete the handover of Canadian sovereignty to China.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Liberals just want as much of your money as possible so that they can decide what everyone deserves because they think they know better than the taxpayers who pay their wages.  Shrink government, scrap carbon taxes, and expand our rights so that these immoral communists can’t complete the handover of Canadian sovereignty to China.

Its' a weird thing about humans - if you take all of people's money and then give back just enough to survive. a shockingly large percent of them will say "thank god for those people or i wouldn't have the money to survive". They don't realize if the gov't wasn't takeing their money in the first place they'd have more than enough to survive.

And we wonder why intelligent aliens don't want to talk to us.

[TreeBeard]

On 4/1/2023 at 4:15 PM, blackbird said:

Beginning to wonder if Trudeau's carbon tax comes from his learning in a Jesuit-founded college.

No, the ideA didn’t come from an interpretation of the bible.   They stole the idea from Conservatives.  
 

https://energynow.ca/2016/12/brief-history-canadian-carbon-tax/
Canada’s carbon-tax history began in March 2007, when Alberta became North America’s first jurisdiction to legislate greenhouse gas reductions from large industrial emitters via a carbon levy. The following month, B.C. joined forces with five U.S. states in the Western Climate Initiative—a market-based group aiming to tackle climate change. Ontario and Quebec have since signed on too. In May 2008, Conservative federal environment minister John Baird called carbon trading a “key part” of the government’s emissions plan targeting oil and gas producers and coal-fired power plants. In July of that year, B.C. became the first province to implement a carbon tax—with proceeds going back to taxpayers.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

No, the ideA didn’t come from an interpretation of the bible.   They stole the idea from Conservatives.  
 

well they probably got it from the bible   LOL

Joking aside, it's true. Conservatives including federal ones were the first proponents of a carbon tax. The initial modelling looked very promsing.

But - it soon became apparent with further study that energy use was no where near as 'elastic' as was first thought in the early models and the idea therefore wouldn't work. The libs/ndp picked it up as a great way to raise revenues and taxes without upsetting people and looking good on the environmental front, and the cpc meanwhile dropped it.

[Army Guy]

On 4/1/2023 at 7:13 PM, herbie said:

Have you turned the heat down? Started driving less? Converted to LEDs in the house? Switched to a heat pump?

No? Then stop claiming others are lying and realize you're just a slow learner.

Yes i done all of that and more, installed solar on my roof, have a massive heat pump, pellet stove, all my lights are led...do i drive less, No, i live in the country, not in some 15 min city...But this is not about me, it is about how our government has lied to us about Carbon taxes...Maybe you just don't hear it, or maybe your just one of those chirpers that can not fathom the liberals are professional lairs, and your just a gullible Tax payer. 

Liberals promised that this tax was not going to cost any Canadian , in fact they would get back more than they paid into it...  and yet this year will see the average Canadian paying out of pocket 750.00 more than any tax rebate they will receive.

The entire Carbon tax scheme has not meet any of our carbon reduction goals... not one of them, but hey they only have had 8 years to perfect it, and somehow our brothers down south managed to make their targets and get this NO CARBON taxes... It was a scheme that the federal Government dreamed up into fooling Canadians into thinking that we as a nation was actually on board with the climate crises. All that the carbon tax is proving is we are not a very smart nation, that even after 8 years of poor results we still believe we are on the right track...And I'm the slow learner here... Many Canadians figured out this scam years ago, and your still the believer...thats not just slow but bordering on handicapped. 

Below is from the Liberal minister of lies and schemes, Mr. Carbon tax himself... he freely admits it is going to cost you more.... 

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And over the weekend former Greenpeace stunt man, activist, scaler of towers, Steven Guilbeault himself, let the carbon tax feline out of the burlap bag in a CTV interview. Most households will pay more in than they will get back. Most. Will pay more. Said the famed abseiler in his eloquent way “if you do the average, yeah, it’s true, it’s going to cost more money to people.”

 

Rex Murphy: Trudeau carbon tax nothing more than a senseless money grab (msn.com)

[blackbird]

GOLDSTEIN: Plenty of Liberal hot air on carbon taxes (msn.com)

The scam continues.

[blackbird]

24 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

No, the ideA didn’t come from an interpretation of the bible.   They stole the idea from Conservatives.  

No, the idea of carbon taxes came from the Devil, the prince of liars.   Liberals and NDP claimed they are saving the world and giving us our money back.  Now it was revealed they were lying about giving us our money back.  They are taking far more money than they are giving back.  So they are ripping us off with a scam and a lie.

Edited April 3, 2023 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, the idea of carbon taxes came from the Devil, the prince of liars.   Liberals and NDP claimed they are saving the world and giving us our money back.  Now it was revealed they were lying about giving us our money back.  They are taking far more money than they are giving back.  So they are ripping us off with a scam and a lie.

How do you know it came from the Devil?  

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

How do you know it came from the Devil?  

The Devil was the first politician.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

How do you know it came from the Devil?  

why though? why would you encourage him like that?

[CdnFox]

Just now, Legato said:

The Devil was the first politician.

The snake was the first politician. The devil was the first voter.

[herbie]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

All this carbon tax propaganda and taxes, regulations, net zero, and war on climate change has to do with the globalist U.N./ Liberal, Romanist drive for the new world order.  It is the best excuse they have come up with yet to tax and control mankind, especially Romanist, liberal Trudeau and his elite Laurentians.  Maybe it is being run with the Papal blessing in the background.

 

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The carbon tax is just a communist redistribution program of theft that does nothing for the environment.  

 

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, the idea of carbon taxes came from the Devil

Opinions from the clinically insane.

[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

How do you know it came from the Devil?  

That's where lies come from.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

How do you know it came from the Devil?  

In a nutshell:

1.  The climate has always changed.  Nobody denies that.

Using climate change as a tool to scare the world as an excuse to implement global control and carbon taxes on advanced countries like Canada is a natural for the less than truthful globalists.

2.  It is reported roughly 20% of the populations of the world which emit fossil CO2 are hit with carbon taxes.  That means 80% are not paying anything for emissions.  

3.  Taxes do not effect the climate.  They hurt the economy and hurt the people.

4.   Trudeau constantly refers to putting a price on pollution.   That is blaming everyone in Canada for just living.  CO2 is a normal gas.  It is not pollution.  So everyone is being punished for just living normal life.  Travelling to work, shopping, and whatever people do all becomes a crime and is punishable by more carbon taxes.

5.  The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is a trace gas.  Humans contribution to that is only 3%.  So all the regulations and carbon taxes in the world is unlikely to change that 3% of a trace amount to begin with is extremely unlikely to make any difference at all to the global climate change.

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 if you take all of people's money and then give back just enough to survive. a shockingly large percent of them will say "thank god for those people or i wouldn't have the money to survive". 

You throw out the challenge to the zealot, then casually troll for him?

Just a casual observation . . .