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Do you really want to go through 4 more years of the MSM Borking Olympics?

Is America really in a strong enough position to endure another 4 years of MSM poop-flinging? Trump inherited a mad world in 2016 but America wasn't going down the drain at that point. I can't imagine things being as bad as they are now and having the whole MSM intent on making them worse.

Sure, Trump was a strong president in 2016 when he came in as a 72 yr old, but now he'll be 78 when he gets in - the same age as Biden was in 2020. And Biden wasn't showing overt signs of dementia in 2016, just four years before his tragic presidential campaign in 2020. He did his infamous quid pro quo speech in March 2016 and he was quite lucid and coherent the whole time. Can you imagine how bad things could get if Trump ended up being in Biden's mental state, and then was being harangued, slandered and libelled 24/7 by a hostile MSM?

He had a great run from 2016-2020, but the sequel is never as good as the original movie. 

Ideally he'd step aside and support DeSantis, but I think he's too much of a fighter. I hope it doesn't end up hurting the GOP. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Trump lost the last election.  Then Jan. 6 happened.  He's done.  Good luck getting the swing voters now.

DeSantis yeah no thanks.

If this is the best the GOP can offer that's pretty sad.  Same for Biden in 2020 i guess.  An election of an authoritarian conman vs a dementia patient.

Do you know the difference between dementia and mild cognitive impairment?

I do. My father had MCI for 10 years before it got bad enough to verge on dementia. AFAIK, he was never diagnosed with dementia before he died.

People with actual dementia are unable to find their way home and get lost in previously familiar surroundings. AKA, no longer independently functional.

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President Donald Trump has already made his legacy in American political history...adding a second term would not top his most impactful achievement(s):

1) Defeating GOP favorites in primaries to easily get the 2016 nomination

2) Against all oddmakers, narrowly defeating Hillary Clinton in the general election (his greatest contribution).

3) Taking a stand against economic globalism, NATO deadbeats, and illegal immigrants.

4) U.S. Supreme Court and federal circuit court appointments to favour stricter Constitutional rulings.

Trump's many failures will dog him and the GOP as well, so there is no reason to continue to invest in another Trump candidacy.   Persisting in doing so will only make another Biden term possible.

I agree that Trump had a great run.  Time for America to move on.

 

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So many folks predicting DeSantis will run. I'm not so sure. Ron DeSantis is very well entrenched in Florida. It's his to lead for as long as he wants.

If he runs I think he'd be elected with no problem. The Democrats could never cheat enough to beat him. But I just don't think he wants the job quite yet.

We will see.

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9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you really want to go through 4 more years of the MSM Borking Olympics?

Is America really in a strong enough position to endure another 4 years of MSM poop-flinging? Trump inherited a mad world in 2016 but America wasn't going down the drain at that point. I can't imagine things being as bad as they are now and having the whole MSM intent on making them worse.

Sure, Trump was a strong president in 2016 when he came in as a 72 yr old, but now he'll be 78 when he gets in - the same age as Biden was in 2020. And Biden wasn't showing overt signs of dementia in 2016, just four years before his tragic presidential campaign in 2020. He did his infamous quid pro quo speech in March 2016 and he was quite lucid and coherent the whole time. Can you imagine how bad things could get if Trump ended up being in Biden's mental state, and then was being harangued, slandered and libelled 24/7 by a hostile MSM?

He had a great run from 2016-2020, but the sequel is never as good as the original movie. 

Ideally he'd step aside and support DeSantis, but I think he's too much of a fighter. I hope it doesn't end up hurting the GOP. 

 

 

Trump is going to run in 2024, and I can understand the concerns about his age.  But we are looking ahead into the future, the unknown.  Let’s first take a look at what he’s been up to since Jan 20, 2021.

He’s been working hard since he left office, hasn’t he?  Rally after rally, and more importantly, speaking the truth about the Biden government wherever he goes.  The border.  The economy.  The trans, climate,  and Ukraine agendas.  Hunter.  On and on it goes, dropping truth bombs.

Thats been giving conservatives hope and courage all this time, all across North America.  When there otherwise didn’t seem to be any.  He’s been relentless, not bad for an old guy.  And fighting off dozens of law suits at the same time. I’ve never seen anything like it.

His efforts have helped to give energy to conservative pundits and the social media platforms. People I watch on YouTube for instance.  We all know he’s doing things in the background that may never even come to light.

He’s earned the right to step into the ring one more time.  The media that hounded him are down by one.  CNN, or the fake news, as he liked to call them, are toast. Do you think that’s a coincidence?  He won that battle.  

But if he runs, he’ll be wiser in regards to the needless tweeting, etc, I think.  Oh yeah, that’s two down, since Twitter is now an ally.  A good running mate, and he’s a shoo-in.  Really, in spite of the 2000 asses.

 

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20 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Well, for one the ability to twist international minds, such as Canadian minds, to hate their own government and support a man from which the LAW in their land has spoken and declared Joe Biden the President. You support a parallel force in a foreign land. This is your Curriculum vitae. 

So Trumpism is like communism, an international movement it seems. 

Oh, and he also has followers engaged in hooliganism, which I am anti-criminal element, how about you? do you support the criminal element the FBI is hunting for below?

Your friends: 
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

Did you learn about Trump from Redacted and Breitbart? I knew of his practices since Roy Cohn's retirement time in New York. That is one of his later ideologues, in case you are lost. 

None of this equates to politics.  These are mostly just personal impressions and opinion. 

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12 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Well, for one the ability to twist international minds, such as Canadian minds, to hate their own government and support a man from which the LAW in their land has spoken and declared Joe Biden the President. You support a parallel force in a foreign land. This your Curriculum vitae.

LOL...Pixie-Dust didn't need Trump for Canadians to turn on him. So you completely ignore the Hunter Biden laptop news being squelched and lied about just before that election? OK understood.

15 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

So Trumpism is like communism, an international movement it seems. 

Indeed. Nationalism...the idea that a national leader should actually represent the nation he or she leads. My Gawd! What a nasty concept.

17 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Oh, and he also has followers engaged in hooliganism, which I am anti-criminal element, how about you? do you support the criminal element the FBI is hunting for below?

Your friends: 
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

Your friends:

 

20 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Also, did you learn about Trump from Redacted and Breitbart? I knew of his practices since Roy Cohn's retirement time in New York. That is one of his ideologues, in case you are lost. 

I tend to not pay much attention to Breitbart. Maybe I should...eh?

So...in essence...its not Trump's "politics" you dislike...its Trump's personality and business practices you dislike. And that's not only OK, its at least understandable. But the politics of the man while he was POTUS produced wonderful results for the USA and by extension...Canada as well.

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31 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

  I am anti-criminal element, how about you? 

 

You know how they are... they represent the failure of the culture.

Best approach IMO, is to ignore and seal them off into a MAGA Tupperware container.

If you must engage, use the latex gloves of ridicule and pity only...

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5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Do you think I will spend time debating dogmatics or people that engage in 0 vs 1 thinking like @Nationalist above which equates me with communist violence? Find me a statement @Nationalist where I alligned myself with such groups, as for you, oh God Almighty, you don't even recognise the law, the Supreme Court which put Biden president. And you want me to spend time talking to you? I just do it superficially, the way you do it, fake diplomat which does not know who the FSB is. ? I can't place you on ignore, I take pleasure in showing people how narrow minded their vision is because of a man. ?

Back to @sharkman

I know where it leads where it leads when a society follows a man blindly. Like look, you are crediting him with stuff that he had little influence in. The Supreme Court was all McConnell work, even if Bush Jr. was in the White House, he would have made that possible. 

Is time to go, what is that hard to understand that society does not accept Trumpism? The Midterms showed this? 

Actually, you know what, let Trump run 

You said you don’t like Trump’s politics.  You were asked which politics, and you have yet to answer that simple question.

And I didn’t  gave Trump credit for Scotus, you have me mixed up with Bush Cheney-2004. 

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3 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Do you think I will spend time debating dogmatics or people that engage in 0 vs 1 thinking like @Nationalist above which equates me with communist violence? Find me a statement @Nationalist where I alligned myself with such groups, as for you, oh God Almighty, you don't even recognise the law, the Supreme Court which put Biden president. And you want me to spend time talking to you? I just do it superficially, the way you do it, fake diplomat which does not know who the FSB is. ? I can't place you on ignore, I take pleasure in showing people how narrow minded their vision is because of a man. ?

Back to @sharkman

I know where it leads where it leads when a society follows a man blindly. Like look, you are crediting him with stuff that he had little influence in. The Supreme Court was all McConnell work, even if Bush Jr. was in the White House, he would have made that possible. 

Is time to go, what is that hard to understand that society does not accept Trumpism? The Midterms showed this? 

Actually, you know what, let Trump run 

You said you don't like his "politics". When pressed...you can't defend that statement. Why? Well that's obvious. You make emotional responses to political issues. Nobody really cares that your butt hurts at the very thought of Trump. That infliction is something you share with all the other Tweenkies on the planet. And THAT I can understand. I mean...let's face it...The Donald is an "in your face" personality. A lot of people don't like that. Hell...sometime I wish he'd just shut up myself. But the results were nothing short of spectacular. And in the end...to me and hundreds of millions...THAT is the measure of a good POTUS.

To the SCOTUS. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the SCOTUS said they will not decide a presidential election and refused to hear the arguments in court. But the story of that damnable laptop is all the proof anyone needs to know that the election was fraudulent.!

Trump will run and he may even win. Why? Because after 4 years of Biden's path to destruction, Americans will be in the mood for an about face.

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7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You know how they are... they represent the failure of the culture.

Best approach IMO, is to ignore and seal them off into a MAGA Tupperware container.

If you must engage, use the latex gloves of ridicule and pity only...

ROFLMAO!

Still butt-hurt that nobody takes you seriously anymore...eh Mikey?

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4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Michael, I know you are a realist, and probably is very in touch with the Conservative Party in Canada. 

Do you see what I see? The word conservative being borrowed by populism for legitimacy purposes and to push this kind of stuff? 

I am serious when I say that the Liberals might win the next elections if this anger and irrationality keeps up by following people like Trump. Middle of the roaders and independents will close their eyes to Trudeau's excesses and will vote them again. Oh God, it is possible. ?  I know you don't control populism, but just noticing the phenomena. 

There's a reason its called "populism". Can you guess what that reason might be?

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Anyway, back to the topic at hand.  Yes I want Trump to have a long run this time around.  But here’s the thing, with all his rallies he’s never stopped running.  This is probably how he beat Biden in the latest poll.  
 

And if he has this much energy, he’ll be fine mentally for the next 6 years.  Certainly better than Biden, who is so weak it’s obvious he won’t be running in 2024.  That will be Harris.  Against Trump.  Nobody will be able to prop her up.

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1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

I think if they run like this, in that case even Harris with a more centrist democrat VP, like let's say Senator Manchin can beat then. 

Really? You think Kamy-Baby could defeat a Trump/DeSantis ticket?

How do you come to such a conclusion? I mean...should such a ticket be presented to the American people, I think conservatives and fence-sitters alike would make the election a Republican landslide.

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5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Yes, try using your mind to think more complex. You don't understand when 2 people are alpha males, friction and arguments will occur which will cause a campaign to derail. 

Why do you think Pence sat quiet for 10 minutes when Trump was ranting? Men like Trump and DeSantis need to succeed as them being the alpha in the room, that is how the game works. 2 there and is a win for the other side. 

OK well you added that alpha male thing after I'd responded to you but...

It is something to consider. Would DeSantis and Trump be able to get along? Unknown but the risk they can't does exist. Good observation.

Here's a "hypothetical".

What would happen if...and when...Biden screws Manchin and does nothing about the nat gas industry as he'd agreed with Manchin for his acquiescence, and becomes a Republican...or even an independent...and runs as VP with Trump?

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34 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

1. Do you see what I see? The word conservative being borrowed by populism for legitimacy purposes and to push this kind of stuff? 

2. I am serious when I say that the Liberals might win the next elections if this anger and irrationality keeps up by following people like Trump.

3. Middle of the roaders and independents will close their eyes to Trudeau's excesses and will vote them again as a reaction. Oh God, it is possible. ?  I know you don't control populism on the Conservative side, but just noticing the phenomena. 

1. Yes, absolutely.  I think that's been obvious since neoliberalism emerged as a force of power in America, arguably 60 years ago.  
2. Yes, absolutely.  This is why I think we need an extreme response to people who exhibit symptoms of the contagion: sowing doubts against the courts, the police, institutions of higher learning, and minorities... and by "doubts" I mean doubts as to their basic goals, their humanity and honesty.  These are the conspiracy folks, C. 
3. Trudeau's worst traits are his inability to govern, lack of imagination, and reliance on the utter somnambulance of "the" public to maintain a weak and failing status quo.

You rail against populism, in left and right colours, but as has been pointed out there's an inherent malaise that is always waiting to be exploited in any "system".  That is because a system shortcuts some individual benefits for the benefit of the whole.  So unless we're talking about non-system cultures, such as tribal culture, you are going to have some disgruntled folks.

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13 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Are you saying I plagiarised you? Ok, let me add some more: 

I don't think 2 white males in America can win in 2023.

I am just practical, taking in regards immigration and the younger generation which many tend to revolt against the old.

The writings go back to Roman Times, how the young think differently than the old. 

No. I'm saying you had an after thought and added it to your post after I'd quoted it to respond. It happens to all of us. Don't be so touchy.

You may have a point there. It is possible that the American people won't vote for old white guys anymore. Biden made a VP decision based on sex and race. It hasn't gone so well. But hey...we're talking about Kamy-Baby so...ya...there is that.

Hmmm...do you know what eventually brought the Roman empire to its knees?

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12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you really want to go through 4 more years of the MSM Borking Olympics?

Is America really in a strong enough position to endure another 4 years of MSM poop-flinging? Trump inherited a mad world in 2016 but America wasn't going down the drain at that point. I can't imagine things being as bad as they are now and having the whole MSM intent on making them worse.

Sure, Trump was a strong president in 2016 when he came in as a 72 yr old, but now he'll be 78 when he gets in - the same age as Biden was in 2020. And Biden wasn't showing overt signs of dementia in 2016, just four years before his tragic presidential campaign in 2020. He did his infamous quid pro quo speech in March 2016 and he was quite lucid and coherent the whole time. Can you imagine how bad things could get if Trump ended up being in Biden's mental state, and then was being harangued, slandered and libelled 24/7 by a hostile MSM?

He had a great run from 2016-2020, but the sequel is never as good as the original movie. 

Ideally he'd step aside and support DeSantis, but I think he's too much of a fighter. I hope it doesn't end up hurting the GOP. 

I thought about Trump's age as well, but he doesn't show any signs of slowing down - he certainly ages better than Biden has, so we'll have to see. 

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27 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

1. Actually, I changed my words towards you. As being raised Eastern European I tend to lash out, you know people like me. Are the same people that chased you away from Prague when you came there thinking you are special. So, I edit my primal instincts to a more relaxed message. ?

2. and Trump didn't play this game? Why did he agree with Pence? to take the religious conservative vote.  Is politics, a game. 

3. Let's not talk about the Roman Empire as we will be here until tomorrow morning. The fact that you push Russian propaganda around and have a sort of admiration for Putin type of dictators, The Mullahs, you were passing Iranian news the other day here, clearly show you might have an obsession with men, that if they would have lived in the Roman time, would probably behave like Caligula, but that is just a theory of mine. 

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1. You don't know why I went to Prague in the first place. Ya my wife lashes out too. We call it "The Banshee Scream". Nobody chased me from Prague. What a silly and petty thing to say. But I do think I'm special. I also think you're special and so is every living thing in the universe. Life is a miracle Son. Whether you have faith in any Gawds or not...it is a miracle. And if you can't think yourself special...life must be an uphill battle for you all the time.

2. Of course Trump played the game. And?

3. LOL..."Oh ya right...bad example"...LOL You're excused. I don't "admire Putin"...I "respect" Putin. There's a difference and you should endeavour to learn it. Hell one must "respect" anyone who manages to come to power. Even Pixie-Dust deserves "respect" for that accomplishment. That doesn't mean one must agree with such powerful people. Or even "admire" or like them. But one who does not acknowledge "respect" for achievement, is destined to make a lot of bad choices in life. Your theory is noted. Warped...but noted.

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13 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

As long as the fake diplomat that uses the Internet to take credit for people's hard work NOTES it, then I guess all is well.

As for Prague, Satire is hard to catch for some minds. 

Of course you respect Putin and ilk like him because what you call brain can not handle a changing world which threatens your little bubble that you built. 

Respect I reserve for Leibniz, Gottfried one of the pillars of calculus, not for politicians. Politicians are made for weak minded followers like you to sing them praises. 

And I am warped. ? You built a little reality around and call it truth while your aim is to find similar people around the Internet to enforce your limited perception. You have nothing my friend, you stopped mentioned you were a diplomat, that is a start.  

Actually...if you check...I never said that I was a "diplomat". I said I worked at our embassy in Prague. I know what diplomats are like...having worked with them for several years. I ran their embassy IT systems which oddly enough, made me a "manager" and privy to embassy "management meetings". I also ran the embassy pub after the military personnel were rotated out. Boy that was a hoot. Diplomats, Ambassadors, NATO representatives, even the odd Minister. They're all just humans of various intellect and political leanings. So...I would get them all drunk as skunks...and listen...and learn.

Yes. I respect Putin. Only a twit would not. Which is perhaps why Zelinsky is so desperate for direct NATO involvement now.

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