Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

So your logic is we should buy more of their oil?  

That's so G-D stupid I can't believe you didn't delete it one second after you typed it.

Obviously Biden is the one who wants to buy more of their oil, because he's the one on his knees right now. I think we both know that I'm the only one between you, me, Biden and Trudeau that supports domestic oil. 

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Foreigners have been profiting from our oil since day 1. The oil industry is a global one and Canadian companies  have always been junior players at best. We’re a price-taker not a price-maker. We just pick their cotton for them, we’re not the owner of the cotton plantation. Never have been, never will be.  The regulations regarding cleanup suck, especially in Alberta where the oil industry literally OWNS the government and the province has tens of thousands of orphaned wells that will cost billions to clean up.

Alberta oil extraction and Saudi/Texas oil extraction are two completely different ball games. There are no "gushers" in Alberta. Margins are comparatively small due to the logistics involved. 

One of the main benefits that we even get from having an oil industry is all the jobs and support industries that it provides. 

That's why our industry/economy can't survive a hostile idiot like Trudeau.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

That's why our industry/economy can't survive a hostile idiot like Trudeau.

I’m still waiting…. He’s been in power several years now and oil exports just keep trending upwards.  Weird. 
 

https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/OilProduction

[Moonbox]

Treebeard if you say things loudly and repeat them enough times, you can fool even yourself into believing them, doncha know?   

Edited October 25, 2022 by Moonbox

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Thanks for the hysterical, wandering  and mostly off-topic manifesto.    ?

1) That's not a "manifesto" by any reckoning. You clearly have no idea what the word even means.

He's talking about things that happened, or things which are demonstrably true, not things that he intends to do. 

2) He's also bang-on, and you only offered your shallow insult because you had no counterpoints for anything he said. 

Adios muchacho ?

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m still waiting…. He’s been in power several years now and oil exports just keep trending upwards.  Weird. 
 

https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/OilProduction

In spite of his policies: https://www.jwnenergy.com/article/2019/3/13/canada-just-lost-100b-cancelled-stalled-oil-and-ga/

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Treebeard if you say things loudly and repeat them enough times, you can fool even yourself into believing them, doncha know?   

See, that's part of the leftist manifesto right there. Now you know how to use that word.

Just follow me here and you'll learn more in a month than you'll learn from watching CNN and CBC for the rest of your life.

[Moonbox]

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) That's not a "manifesto" by any reckoning. You clearly have no idea what the word even means.

First, look up the definitions for the word before you say that, genius.  ?

Second, he  randomly delivered a list of wildly off-topic opinions that nobody asked for...as if his programming got stumped and he just defaulted back to his list of Trumpian talking points. He may as well have copy-pasted a MAGA Mom's angry Facebook feed for how relevant and insightful it was.  

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

2) He's also bang-on, and you only offered your shallow insult because you had no counterpoints for anything he said. 

Dumb posts don't need counterpoints.  They speak for themselves.  Listing ten hyperbole-laden opinions in bullet format with no further explanation is just word-vomit

Edited October 25, 2022 by Moonbox

[WestCanMan]

52 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

First, look up the definitions for the word before you say that, genius.  ?

Nice squirm, but what I said was 100% correct. 

FYI a manifesto isn't a collection of blatantly obvious facts. A manifesto can contain some opinions but it's not an opinion piece per se. It's more of a collection of visions, plans, goals, tools, objectives, usually some controversial beliefs, guiding principles, etc.  Pretty heady stuff. You have to be a bit of a narcissist to throw down a manifesto. 

Saying that we should stay out of the Ukraine-Russia war is just a common sense opinion. Saying that Biden and Harris are stupid is just stating facts. Saying that "defund police" was completely stupid is just beyond obvious.

There's nothing there that belongs in a manfesto, they're the kinds of things that your mom or grandfather would tell you if you had the wisdom to listen to your elders. 

Statements like "if you say things loudly and repeat them enough times, you can fool even yourself into believing them" is right from Chapter 1 of "Manifestos for Dummies". It's part of changing the national consciousness, and forcing people to believe what you want, in order to help affect change on a massive scale.

It's the kind of thing that Goebbels or McKenna would say to their fellow fascists. Actually it's the exact thing that Goebbels and McKenna did say, and now you're saying it.

Canadians aren't fascist in nature. We were pretty fat and happy until leftards shut down the economy and turned us against each other. They did that, in large part, by "saying things loudly and repeating them enough times to fool the dumbest among us into believing them."

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Second, he  randomly delivered a list of wildly off-topic opinions that nobody asked for...

1) Did I miss the part where someone ever said "Hey moonbox, regale us with your laundry list of idiocies, please"?

2) He did you a favour. You should have memorized that list instead of balling up your impotent little fists and hurling insults.

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Dumb posts don't need counterpoints. 

Wrong again. My reply to you is proof of it.

FYI letting ignorance stand unchallenged isn't the reason for this forum. 

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Listing ten hyperbole-laden opinions

FYI a hyperbole-laden opinion is something like: "Trump said all immigrants are animals", or "OMG I think I have PTSD from the 3-hr long riot when I was surrounded by all those armed cops. Now I know how all the peons felt when rioters were in their neighbourhoods for months on end, beating people up and killing them them, and looting and burning down buildings, while I ate popcorn and cheered it all on."

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word-vomit

Your post is quite backwards. The last two words seem to be the title.

Edited October 25, 2022 by WestCanMan

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'm not sure he's lost already, but we'll see.

All I really care about is that we in the west, stay the hell outta this.

You and me both, my son has decided to follow in my footsteps, as an infantry soldier so ya i hope and pray this is all just thunder in the background.

No, he has not lost just yet, and Ukraine is just as devasted as Russian forces are and all these attacks are pushing men and machines to the brink. Once the ground freezes we will see what is left in the gas tank.

We have not been this close to the end of days since Cuba missile crises.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

You and me both, my son has decided to follow in my footsteps, as an infantry soldier so ya i hope and pray this is all just thunder in the background.

No, he has not lost just yet, and Ukraine is just as devasted as Russian forces are and all these attacks are pushing men and machines to the brink. Once the ground freezes we will see what is left in the gas tank.

We have not been this close to the end of days since Cuba missile crises.

True.

And for what?

[Army Guy]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

True.

And for what?

A nations security, right or wrong one nation cannot randomly decide to invade without provocation that meets with international law. The law includes everyone, including guys with nukes. with maybe the exception of the US, because they are the biggest dog in town.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

A nations security, right or wrong one nation cannot randomly decide to invade without provocation that meets with international law. The law includes everyone, including guys with nukes. with maybe the exception of the US, because they are the biggest dog in town.

I have no skin in this fight and neither do you. I find it better for all if I don't go looking for one.

[BeaverFever]

22 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yes. You're the most vitriolic poster here Beave. Hell your relationship with truth is...rocky at best, and the crap you come up with is often pure nonsense. You assume consistently and have the same batting average as do the Dumbocrats...ZERO.

For the life of me...I don't know how so many can be so wrong...so bloody often.

Ha!   More gaslighting from the 9/11 truther who responds with nothing but insults when he gets pwned

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Ukraine lives in a big boy world with big boy consequences, and making a mortal enemy of Russia has big boy consequences. PERIOD.

Its a lie that Ukraine did anything to “make a mortal enemy” out of Russia other than exercise it’s right for freedom. And it’s a lie that anything entitles Russia to invade. If you call Tyson the N word and he assaults you, Tyson goes back to jail…again. That’s how the rule of law works, not that someone like you understands or cares about that.

The rest of your post is just your usual toxic slurry of lies, ignorance nonsense and racism. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You don't know who poisoned Yanukovich. You have no clue.

You think Biden killed his own pipeline ffs and yet you're talking about people providing uninformed opinions on the subject. 

To educate you AGAIN, the guy who got poisoned is Yushchenko 

Yanukovich was the corrupt amd brutal Russian puppet he was running against.  Yeah gee who could it be?  The pro-western anti-Russian leader is poisoned with a chemical that is only made in the US, UK and Russia. Hmmm…..must have been the PM of New Zealand or maybe the mayor of Tuktoyuktuk. Putin would never poison anyone, except for all those other guys he’s poisoned. Your denialism is hilarious. 

[Moonbox]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong again.

I'm wrong that dumb posts don't need counterpoints?  ? 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

My reply to you is proof of it.

Your reply serves as an example of exactly what I was talking about - an unfocused and hyperbole-filled rant that wasted everyone's time reading.  It's certainly not worth much of a response.  

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI letting ignorance stand unchallenged isn't the reason for this forum. 

Yet here you are, still furiously pounding on your keyboard after more than 11,000 posts worth of overly emotional hyperbole.  ?

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's so G-D stupid I can't believe you didn't delete it one second after you typed it.

Obviously Biden is the one who wants to buy more of their oil, because he's the one on his knees right now. I think we both know that I'm the only one between you, me, Biden and Trudeau that supports domestic oil. 

Alberta oil extraction and Saudi/Texas oil extraction are two completely different ball games. There are no "gushers" in Alberta. Margins are comparatively small due to the logistics involved. 

One of the main benefits that we even get from having an oil industry is all the jobs and support industries that it provides. 

That's why our industry/economy can't survive a hostile idiot like Trudeau.

We need to make oil obsolete, period. “Domestic oil” is a myth because regardless of what country the oil is extracted from, the owners and investors who profit from it are all playing for the same team. And it it ain’t Team Canada. Many of the owners and investors taking profits from our oil and gas are Saudis :

 

 

Saudi Wealth Fund Builds Stakes in Canadian Oil Sands Giants

Public Investment Fund buys Canadian Natural, Suncor Norway wealth fund exited oil sands stocks on climate concern

Michael BellusciMay 15, 2020, 6:14 PM EDT

Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund built stakes in two major Canadian oil sands players during the energy market rout.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-15/saudi-wealth-fund-builds-stakes-in-canadian-oil-sands-giants#xj4y7vzkg
 

Saudi Arabia is buying shares of Alberta’s oil sands companies. The ‘ethical oil’ argument is dead.

Max Fawcett: If Canadian oil and gas companies are going to accept Saudi Arabia’s money, it’s probably time for their proxies to retire arguments about the immorality of their oil
 

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/saudi-arabia-is-buying-shares-of-albertas-oil-sands-companies-the-ethical-oil-argument-is-dead/amp/

 

Exclusive: Russian buyer of Canadian oil company accused of paying kickbacks to former Ukrainian PM

Igor Makarov, who acquired 21 per cent of Calgary-based Spartan Delta last year, has been accused by American authorities of paying at least $28.5 million in kickbacks to former Ukrainian prime minister Pavel Lazarenko in 1996 for exclusive rights to sell gas in Ukraine.
 

https://globalnews.ca/news/9055869/canadian-oil-co-russian-oligarch-kickbacks-us-accusations/amp/
 

…and just to be clet that’s a pro-Russia Ukrainian PM they’re referring to

 

Meet the Russian oligarchs with investment ties to Western Canada not named in Ottawa's sanctions 

Some controversial figures have so far evaded sanctions from the Canadian government

 

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/meet-the-russian-oligarchs-with-investment-ties-to-western-canada-not-named-in-ottawas-sanctions/wcm/40bcb703-2d90-437b-9485-fc58c068fc1e/amp/
 

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Its a lie that Ukraine did anything to “make a mortal enemy” out of Russia other than exercise it’s right for freedom.

By your logic Kennedy had no right to oppose nukes in Cuba. 

Just say that you think the Cuban Missile Crisis was an affront to Cuban sovereignty then we can agree to disagree and I won't call you a worthless GD hypocrite.

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If you call Tyson the N word and he assaults you, Tyson goes back to jail…again.

No, in this world you can consent to physical violence. Tyson will just tea-bag you and maybe you can get an autographed photo of it.

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That’s how the rule of law works, not that someone like you understands or cares about that.

I'm a conservative. We're law and order people almost to a man. You'll never understand.

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The rest of your post is just your usual toxic slurry of lies, ignorance nonsense and racism. 

In other words, you can't speak to the facts, as usual, so you're getting snotty. 

Cheers bud.

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

To educate you AGAIN, the guy who got poisoned is Yushchenko 

Yanukovich was the corrupt amd brutal Russian puppet he was running against.  Yeah gee who could it be?  The pro-western anti-Russian leader is poisoned with a chemical that is only made in the US, UK and Russia. Hmmm…..must have been the PM of New Zealand or maybe the mayor of Tuktoyuktuk. Putin would never poison anyone, except for all those other guys he’s poisoned. Your denialism is hilarious. 

I don't give a rip.

The same people who blew up a Russian pipeline and blamed it on Putin probably killed Yushchenko. Maybe he was gonna lose anyways and they couldn't Biden that election for him. 

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'm wrong

Don't act so shocked. This isn't the first time that a leftist has been wrong 5,500 times in a row ?

Do you actually have anything to say about the topic at hand or are you too embarrassed to talk now?

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Ha!   More gaslighting from the 9/11 truther who responds with nothing but insults when he gets pwned

Just the facts.

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Moonbox said:

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The point I was making, which you so quickly lost before launching yourself into another rambling diatribe, was that the MSM posts all sorts of stuff criticizing things like pedophiles, which makes you look pretty stupid when you say foolish stuff like, "I support anything the MSM criticizes".  

Slow down. Think before you post.  

It all depends on what the MSM is criticizing. When the MSM criticizes anything it is because it will fit into their leftist liberal globalist narrative and agenda. The MSM will never be harsh enough on Ukraine as they should be doing.

It is a well known fact that the Ukraine army is full of Nazi's. But the MSM will never report or critcise that fact because it does not fit in with the leftist liberal globalist elite cabals agenda.  

Now if the MSM did report on such a fact and then criticized the Zelensky Nazi's army for having Nazi's in their army then I would be in full agreement with them and would go along with their criticism of Zelensky. But I know that will never happen. With the MSM Russia is the enemy and that will be that. ?  

[taxme]

On 10/25/2022 at 12:05 PM, WestCanMan said:

1) Racists exist in every race and in every country, Einstein.

2) Don't act like "there are just a few of those guys in this country", it's "Zelensky's best/favourite military unit is fully comprised of actual Nazis, and Ukraine is the only country in the world with a known Nazi unit in their national army."

Keep on supporting Nazis Beave. We already knew anyways, after you supported fascism in our own country. 

Imagine if the leftist liberal Canadian media were to find out that the Canadian army was full of Nazi's? They would go absolutely ballistic over it and demand that the Canadian military clean house of these Nazi's.

But yet the Canadian media knows very well that Zelensky's army is full of Nazi's but that seems to be okay with the Canadian media and they appear to support Zelensky all the time. The Canadian MSM will not condemn Zelensky for using Nazi's in his army. What a bunch of hypocrites that we have in the Canadian media. The Canadian media do like to pick and choose what they want to report on. Their bias is always showing. ?

Beaver cleaver appears to support Zelenskys Nazi army alright. Zelensky all good, Putin all bad. ?

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

Imagine if the leftist liberal Canadian media were to find out that the Canadian army was full of Nazi's? They would go absolutely ballistic over it and demand that the Canadian military clean house of these Nazi's.

But yet the Canadian media knows very well that Zelensky's army is full of Nazi's but that seems to be okay with the Canadian media and they appear to support Zelensky all the time. The Canadian MSM will not condemn Zelensky for using Nazi's in his army. What a bunch of hypocrites that we have in the Canadian media. The Canadian media do like to pick and choose what they want to report on. Their bias is always showing. ?

Beaver cleaver appears to support Zelenskys Nazi army alright. Zelensky all good, Putin all bad. ?

TBH, it seems apparent that Trudeau wants to start a Nazi battalion here. He already uses our own cops like the SS. 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

It all depends on what the MSM is criticizing. When the MSM criticizes anything it is because it will fit into their leftist liberal globalist narrative and agenda. The MSM will never be harsh enough on Ukraine as they should be doing.

Ah okay then.  Basically what you're saying is that all of the different mainstream media outlets around the world all follow the "leftist liberal globalist narrative and agenda" (what a mouthful!) and they're always wrong...until they're saying something you agree with.  Got it! ??

1 hour ago, taxme said:

It is a well known fact that the Ukraine army is full of Nazi's. But the MSM will never report or critcise that fact because it does not fit in with the leftist liberal globalist elite cabals agenda.  

"It is a well known fact that..." is conspiracy theory copypasta that prefaces the launching of goofy rants beyond counting.  The problem is that it's almost never actually a fact (nor "well-known"), but rather something you folks hear on 4chan etc and then repeat to each other so many times you actually believe it.  

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Now if the MSM did report on such a fact and then criticized the Zelensky Nazi's army for having Nazi's in their army then I would be in full agreement with them and would go along with their criticism of Zelensky. But I know that will never happen. With the MSM Russia is the enemy and that will be that. ?  

So again, you're literally telling us that the MSM is only right when they're saying what you already want to hear and already believe.  That's literally the definition of an echo chamber, but at least you acknowledge it.  ?

Edited October 26, 2022 by Moonbox