Boges Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Rebound said: If you ever see a field of windmills and only 20% are turning, it’s because the operators are generating only what they need to consume. As you probably don’t know, all power placed on the grid must be consumed by something. T Which is why this hysteria about capacity due to EVs is pathetic. EVs are using electricity that's being generated of peak to create a baseload. Quote The grid cannot store power. That's the next innovation required. Plenty of solutions are in development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rebound said: Easily. California has one or two blackout events a year during peak heat season. There’s no question that an additional 20 or 30% capacity would eliminate that problem. And wind power is extremely granular. Individual windmills can be shut down on command, so production can be very finely tuned to consumption, which creates huge challenges with other forms of production. If you ever see a field of windmills and only 20% are turning, it’s because the operators are generating only what they need to consume. As you probably don’t know, all power placed on the grid must be consumed by something. The grid cannot store power. And when the wind isn't blowing? Then what? Millions of windmills generating squat. https://fortune.com/2020/02/05/wind-turbine-fiberglass-landfill-disposal-renewable-energy/ And then there's the solar panel farms... https://electrek.co/2021/07/26/us-largest-solar-farm-is-scrapped-because-nevada-locals-dont-want-to-look-at-it/ https://hbr.org/2021/06/the-dark-side-of-solar-power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, Boges said: Canada's Natural Resources don't amount to only Fossil Fuels. Growth will be found elsewhere. Oh I forgot Mining for Lithium is the Devil. Unless it creates batteries for your phone. https://www.capp.ca/economy/canadian-economic-contribution/ Mine Lithium...hell mine everything that we have of value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 43 minutes ago, Boges said: Well we live in Canada where a majority of our electricity already comes from Carbon free sources. Yet the world at large does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And when the wind isn't blowing? Then what? Millions of windmills generating squat. https://fortune.com/2020/02/05/wind-turbine-fiberglass-landfill-disposal-renewable-energy/ And then there's the solar panel farms... https://electrek.co/2021/07/26/us-largest-solar-farm-is-scrapped-because-nevada-locals-dont-want-to-look-at-it/ https://hbr.org/2021/06/the-dark-side-of-solar-power Your articles have nothing to do with unavailability of wind. They have to do with blade recycling and a solar program that didn’t get a permit. You think a coal, nuclear or gas plant would have an easier time getting a permit? California is a massive state. There’s always wind blowing somewhere. America was discovered by wind powered ships. The Pilgrims came to America on wind powered ships. The America’s Cup is raced with wind powered boats. Edited September 22, 2022 by Rebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Rebound said: California is a massive state. There’s always wind blowing somewhere. America was discovered by wind powered ships. The Pilgrims came to America on wind powered ships. The America’s Cup is raced with wind powered boats. Hilarious. 'The colonists came on wind powered ships so...we should use wind to power the entire nation.' Can you be any more childish? Go ahead...try. I always enjoy a good giggle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Hilarious. 'The colonists came on wind powered ships so...we should use wind to power the entire nation.' Can you be any more childish? Go ahead...try. I always enjoy a good giggle... Wind makes up 6% of California’s power, and that number will grow and grow. And I see one farm after another building windmills. And Holland reclaimed 40% of their land using windmills. They work. They’re beautiful. And they don’t cause cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nationalist said: Oh that's just so much BS. "OH look! A storm! GLOBAL WARMING! AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE" Get a grip on yourselves. This BS is trashing economies and nothing we have at our disposal today can come close to satisfying our energy needs right now. Too bad your "argument" is SO WEAK you had to build a HUGE STRAWMAN. Your country's TAR SANDS are going remain stranded in the ground where they belong because the world is going electric. Edited September 22, 2022 by robosmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Horseshit! Well, I'm convinced...... that you HAVE NO REBUTTAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Hilarious. 'The colonists came on wind powered ships so...we should use wind to power the entire nation.' Can you be any more childish? Go ahead...try. I always enjoy a good giggle... I'm sure you're giggling like an idiot cause you have nothing intelligent to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Boges said: Which is why this hysteria about capacity due to EVs is pathetic. EVs are using electricity that's being generated of peak to create a baseload. That's the next innovation required. Plenty of solutions are in development. I’m surprised that I have to repeat this again. The California Utilities were the ones warning the people not to charge their EV vehicles. Because they were running out of capacity. I think they would have a better grasp on the situation than you. Here’s the link again. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/losangeles/news/flex-alert-extended-to-saturday-ev-owners-asked-to-not-charge-vehicles-during-peak-hours/ Here’s a quote from the link: “Drivers might have to walk if they don't charge their vehicles strategically on the third day of an extended Flex Alert.“ Edited September 22, 2022 by sharkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sharkman said: I’m surprised that I have to repeat this again. The California Utilities were the ones warning the people not to charge their EV vehicles. Because they were running out of capacity. I think they would have a better grasp on the situation than you. Here’s the link again. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/losangeles/news/flex-alert-extended-to-saturday-ev-owners-asked-to-not-charge-vehicles-during-peak-hours/ Here’s a quote from the link: “Drivers might have to walk if they don't charge their vehicles strategically on the third day of an extended Flex Alert.“ And I have to keep reminding you that this was because of AC use. Because of how hot it was. . . you know cuz of Climate change. Most EV users don't charge their cars in the middle of the day. They simply asked if people can refrain from charging their cars during peak periods. Most don't anyway. It's no biggie. I'm also not propping up California as a model state for how to handle their grid. Edited September 22, 2022 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Rebound said: Wind makes up 6% of California’s power, and that number will grow and grow. And I see one farm after another building windmills. And Holland reclaimed 40% of their land using windmills. They work. They’re beautiful. And they don’t cause cancer. A whopping 6%? Well now...that changes everything...NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, robosmith said: Too bad your "argument" is SO WEAK you had to build a HUGE STRAWMAN. Your country's TAR SANDS are going the stranded in the ground where they belong because the world is going electric. Did you shake your fist and go "So there!" after typing this drivel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, robosmith said: Well, I'm convinced...... that you HAVE NO REBUTTAL. Don't need one. Your Greenie crap is trashing the entire economy. THAT happens to be a fact. And for what? Horseshit...that's what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, robosmith said: I'm sure you're giggling like an idiot cause you have nothing intelligent to say. Says the guy who figures sailing across the ocean means wind can power the USA...giggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Don't need one. Your Greenie crap is trashing the entire economy. Whether we try to mitigate climate change or not, our economy will be trashed as weather events become more common and extreme. We're hooped already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Your country's TAR SANDS are going the stranded in the ground where they belong because the world is going electric. They can pave the roads EVs run on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 27 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Says the guy who figures sailing across the ocean means wind can power the USA...giggle. So says the guy who thinks that the wind that pushes a ship can't run a generator. Who's being stupid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, sharkman said: I’m surprised that I have to repeat this again. The California Utilities were the ones warning the people not to charge their EV vehicles. Because they were running out of capacity. I think they would have a better grasp on the situation than you. Here’s the link again. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/losangeles/news/flex-alert-extended-to-saturday-ev-owners-asked-to-not-charge-vehicles-during-peak-hours/ Here’s a quote from the link: “Drivers might have to walk if they don't charge their vehicles strategically on the third day of an extended Flex Alert.“ You’re full of nonsense. They were ASKED not to charge their cars between 4 and 9pm… and most people don’t anyway… it’s better to charge at night. In fact, it’s best to charge right before you drive, so use a timer to top up starting at 2 or 3am for longest car life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Did you shake your fist and go "So there!" after typing this drivel? Hardly. Proving you wrong is so routine my arm would get tired from all the fist shaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Don't need one. Your Greenie crap is trashing the entire economy. THAT happens to be a fact. And for what? Horseshit...that's what. There you go again.... mistaking your stupid opinions for "fact." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Says the guy who figures sailing across the ocean means wind can power the USA...giggle. I never said that, dumbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Says the guy who figures sailing across the ocean means wind can power the USA...giggle. Wind can power the United States. It provides 9% of total electricity nationwide and there’s no reason why that 9% can’t become 20, 30, or 50 percent. Even a complete nimwit can understand that we won’t simply decommission every other electric plant at once, and we don’t need to reach zero carbon emissions, either. We just simply grow and grow the wind utilization and decommission the dirtiest plants (i.e., coal) as we bring more online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Rebound said: . They work. They’re beautiful. Unless you chirp or tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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