Darwin Strikes Again....

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh...it's everyone else who caused this. Lol...

Do you teach kids they are blameless too?

Man up.

Well the Carbon taxes existed last year, and the year before that. So it's not that. Carbon Taxes amounted for a 2 cent/litre increase this year. And many provinces have decided to stop collecting Gas Tax while the prices are so high. 

What changed? Oh! one of the world's largest oil and gas producers started a war with its neighbour causing mass instability in the sector and forcing Western Europe to decide between Oil and Gas or supporting a dictator invading an independent democracy. 

Also, a Cartel of Oil producing nations have refused to ramp production back up to pre-pandemic levels even though the demand is most certainly there. 

But yeah, it's the Carbon Tax. ?

Edited September 23, 2022 by Boges

[Nationalist]

22 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Every one of these major MMGW events carry a price tag of over $20 billion. And we’ve had dozens of them and we will continue to for decades to come. 

These events have always been expensive. This is not new.

[sharkman]

17 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Only a complete nitwit would decide that’s true because you think so.  And just to state things clearly, I don’t know if you’re a nitwit, you probably are not, but your thinking and reasoning here are absolutely nitwit level or lower.  
 

Nearly ten percent of all electricity in the US is produced by wind TODAY.  Can we make that twenty or thirty percent? Definitely!  Absolutely!  One hundred percent?  Who said anything about that?  We don’t need to replace all electricity generation in America, but replacing the 20% coal powered plants with wind and then building additional capacity with wind would be fine. But you don’t automatically do that. You site wind where it’s feasible. They do studies and calculate wind current and how many days per year, etc. The Great Plains? Plenty of wind. Tornado Alley? Maybe not feasible; I don’t know. 

Are we “destroying America” by replacing coal with wind? No, we’re destroying America by continuing consumption that’s causing hurricanes and wildfires nationwide. Not to mention all the asthma from coal particulates.

And, by the way, this “Grid can’t support electric cars” trope is total bullshit. It’s absolutely bullshit. Cars take the same electric load as an air conditioner, but they take it at night. Are you anti-air conditioner? And it’s very simple to create a time-based charging system which not only saves the consumer a LOT of money, but also helps the Li battery last longer.  And you can do that with ZERO impact on the grid. ZERO. The only time electric cars affect the grid is when they are fast charged, which is usually during the day. But EV’s aren’t currently designed to be fast charged regularly, only when needed for long trips. 

Hmm, you are starting to sound like one of those desperate ones who think the world will be destroyed if we don't act NOW!!!  Hehe.

So EV cars take the same load as an air conditioner, eh?  Hold on there, hoss, there are small ac units using just a few amps,, and then there are big ones that need a 30 amp 240 volt hook up.  Which AC units are you referring to?  Checking into the matter, it looks like EV chargers need a 240 volt source, and up to 30 amps, like a clothes dryer uses.  If everybody switches over to EV's, we are going to need a lot more capacity in our grid.  More nuclear, more Hydo electric, and more coal.  That seems kind of counter productive, doesn't it?

Except it's a world emergency, right?  So don't think, just buy what the environmental nazis are telling you to buy, dammit!  Good luck with that one...

[DogOnPorch]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

These events have always been expensive. This is not new.

 

We've never had hurricanes in the past. Trump made them don't-cha know?

[Boges]

10 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Hmm, you are starting to sound like one of those desperate ones who think the world will be destroyed if we don't act NOW!!!  Hehe.

So EV cars take the same load as an air conditioner, eh?  Hold on there, hoss, there are small ac units using just a few amps,, and then there are big ones that need a 30 amp 240 volt hook up.  Which AC units are you referring to?  Checking into the matter, it looks like EV chargers need a 240 volt source, and up to 30 amps, like a clothes dryer uses.  If everybody switches over to EV's, we are going to need a lot more capacity in our grid.  More nuclear, more Hydo electric, and more coal.  That seems kind of counter productive, doesn't it?

Except it's a world emergency, right?  So don't think, just buy what the environmental nazis are telling you to buy, dammit!  Good luck with that one...

OK, but everyone isn't adopting an EV right away.

And as has been mentioned, EVs are generally used overnight. So they utilize energy that would have been created anyway to maintain a Baseload. 

One cool thing about EVs going forward is that future generations can actually used as additional Storage for the Grid. 

People talk about what to do when the power goes out, well a fully charged EV can actually power the basic functions of a home for a good deal of time. All without having to buy a Generator. 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

We've never had hurricanes in the past. Trump made them don't-cha know?

It's certainly commonplace for a Hurricane to hit Canada before the Continental US like will happen this weekend. ?

 

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's certainly commonplace for a Hurricane to hit Canada before the Continental US like will happen this weekend. ?

 

 

Run in terror then. I'll clock you with this stop-watch....and GO!

[Rebound]

26 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Yeah I know the meme wasn’t completely accurate, I thought I’d poke a little fun at your side.  And let me say this about your side:  so serious!

AOC used to say the world had 12 years to save itself or it would actually be destroyed.  Other notables have since declared more recently we are down to 8 or 7 years, like we are gettin’ real close to the “Eve of Destruction”(actual song).  Which is, of course, nonsense.

Except that dummies out there actually believe that crap, and are living in delusion.  So when California warns citizens to go easy on the car charging because of the annual heat wave, maroons who bought electric cars in California can’t see that their cars are actually adding to the problem.  

Then you have to ask, well where does the electricity come from?  Nuclear, coal and hydro electric sources are the biggest part of it.   So the electric cars aren’t so green, are they?  And mining the materials that the massive batteries are made of would make an environmentalist blush, if they had any sense.

Yup, there certainly are a lot of idiots out there, I can agree with that.

Let’s just begin here: Stop the lying. Just… dwell in truth.  
 

“California” didn’t tell people to stop charging their cars. The electric company ASKED people not to charge between 4pm and 9pm for two days. So STOP LYING.  Integrity is earned in drops and lost in buckets, and turning a voluntary two day request into “California warns people to go easy on their car charging” is just an outright lie.
 

I’ve pointed out many times that wind provides nearly ten percent of US electric power TODAY.  
 

I’ve pointed out many times that we do not need to increase grid capacity to support electric vehicle charging, because nearly all of it occurs at night, and it’s roughly equivalent to running an air conditioner… and you aren’t calling for the abolition of air conditioners. 
 

I’ve pointed out that even coal-powered electricity to power a car produces lower carbon emissions than burning gasoline in a car, mile for mile.  
 

Now, when we talk about this destruction, what do we mean? We mean the permanent destruction of earth to support its current population. Earth itself doesn’t give a damn. Earth will keep on spinning and life will continue to evolve. BUT every population center on Earth is close to a body of water, making it susceptible to destruction from catastrophic weather events. We have predicted mass melting of Antarctic ice and it’s happening. As it continues sea levels will rise. Ocean currents will shift. 
 

Food does not come from factories. It comes from farms. Massive farms. We cannot possibly shift all agriculture to new farmland to sustain our populations.  
 

The net result is that MMGW will impact populations of hundreds of millions of people.  They will migrate. What’s America gonna do? Build a wall? A wall that can stop 100 million people? We couldn’t even build enough bullets to stop that many people.  
 

Republicans we’re too slow to react to the realities of WW II. Only after the war was over did they wake up. MMGW is an actual problem already. And slowing it is possible.  It’s not a bunch of BS.  It’s not going to destroy the economy, it will save it. If America leads in alternative energy tech, we will have abundant, cheap energy. That means more industry and cheaper production. We can do this.
 

Tough shit for oil companies, but they’re a bunch of jackasses. They’re selling typewriters and refusing to invest in computers.  The CD came out and they want to keep selling vinyl.  Technology changes, and either they adapt or they die. It’s just that simple.  

[sharkman]

11 minutes ago, Boges said:

OK, but everyone isn't adopting an EV right away.

And as has been mentioned, EVs are generally used overnight. So they utilize energy that would have been created anyway to maintain a Baseload. 

One cool thing about EVs going forward is that future generations can actually used as additional Storage for the Grid. 

People talk about what to do when the power goes out, well a fully charged EV can actually power the basic functions of a home for a good deal of time. All without having to buy a Generator. 

EV's charged overnight is a pipe dream.  There are day time charging stations popping up all over.  People plug their vehicles in when they need them.  Two, you are not thinking ahead, when 60 or 70 or 80 percent of vehicles on the road will be electric.  Gas powered autos are being phased out by manufacturers, because they are being forced to.

That many EV's being charged up overnight will not work.

[Rebound]

27 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

These events have always been expensive. This is not new.

Yes it absolutely is. 
The west coast wildfires of the past two years were by far the largest in history. The destruction of New Orleans, Puerto Rico and the Bahamas were unprecedented. Nothing has happened like that since the Great Flood.  
 

Now, there was the Chicago Fire. There used to be lots of fires.  How comes that doesn’t happen anymore? Cause of the Gubmint, that’s why!  There are all kinds of bureaucratic standards required for construction which prevent mass fires. And they work. 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, sharkman said:

EV's charged overnight is a pipe dream.  There are day time charging stations popping up all over.  People plug their vehicles in when they need them.  Two, you are not thinking ahead, when 60 or 70 or 80 percent of vehicles on the road will be electric.  Gas powered autos are being phased out by manufacturers, because they are being forced to.

That many EV's being charged up overnight will not work.

 

Think ahead? They ONLY react knee-jerk. It's the only setting.

[sharkman]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Let’s just begin here: Stop the lying. Just… dwell in truth.  
 

“California” didn’t tell people to stop charging their cars. The electric company ASKED people not to charge between 4pm and 9pm for two days. So STOP LYING.  Integrity is earned in drops and lost in buckets, and turning a voluntary two day request into “California warns people to go easy on their car charging” is just an outright lie.
 

I’ve pointed out many times that wind provides nearly ten percent of US electric power TODAY.  
 

I’ve pointed out many times that we do not need to increase grid capacity to support electric vehicle charging, because nearly all of it occurs at night, and it’s roughly equivalent to running an air conditioner… and you aren’t calling for the abolition of air conditioners. 
 

I’ve pointed out that even coal-powered electricity to power a car produces lower carbon emissions than burning gasoline in a car, mile for mile.  
 

Now, when we talk about this destruction, what do we mean? We mean the permanent destruction of earth to support its current population. Earth itself doesn’t give a damn. Earth will keep on spinning and life will continue to evolve. BUT every population center on Earth is close to a body of water, making it susceptible to destruction from catastrophic weather events. We have predicted mass melting of Antarctic ice and it’s happening. As it continues sea levels will rise. Ocean currents will shift. 
 

Food does not come from factories. It comes from farms. Massive farms. We cannot possibly shift all agriculture to new farmland to sustain our populations.  
 

The net result is that MMGW will impact populations of hundreds of millions of people.  They will migrate. What’s America gonna do? Build a wall? A wall that can stop 100 million people? We couldn’t even build enough bullets to stop that many people.  
 

Republicans we’re too slow to react to the realities of WW II. Only after the war was over did they wake up. MMGW is an actual problem already. And slowing it is possible.  It’s not a bunch of BS.  It’s not going to destroy the economy, it will save it. If America leads in alternative energy tech, we will have abundant, cheap energy. That means more industry and cheaper production. We can do this.
 

Tough shit for oil companies, but they’re a bunch of jackasses. They’re selling typewriters and refusing to invest in computers.  The CD came out and they want to keep selling vinyl.  Technology changes, and either they adapt or they die. It’s just that simple.  

Oh, so you are a true believer, the world will end?  Sorry to hear that, but you're an idiot.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, sharkman said:

Oh, so you are a true believer, the world will end?  Sorry to hear that, but you're an idiot.

[Rebound]

16 minutes ago, sharkman said:

EV's charged overnight is a pipe dream.  There are day time charging stations popping up all over.  People plug their vehicles in when they need them.  Two, you are not thinking ahead, when 60 or 70 or 80 percent of vehicles on the road will be electric.  Gas powered autos are being phased out by manufacturers, because they are being forced to.

That many EV's being charged up overnight will not work.

Did you do the math? It’s not very difficult to see that you’re absolutely wrong. Again… you are making shit up and treating it as fact. 
 

This video is outstanding. His whole channel is amazing, but he walks you though the grid issues step by step.

i

Edited September 23, 2022 by Rebound

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, sharkman said:

EV's charged overnight is a pipe dream.  There are day time charging stations popping up all over.  People plug their vehicles in when they need them.  Two, you are not thinking ahead, when 60 or 70 or 80 percent of vehicles on the road will be electric.  Gas powered autos are being phased out by manufacturers, because they are being forced to.

That many EV's being charged up overnight will not work.

What is a daytime charging station? How is it that it can't be used at night. 

People who commute and own their own garage charge overnight. That's the vast majority of EV owners these days. 

There are many innovations being developed that will address these concerns. A complete EV and broader electrification transition will not happen overnight. It's going to take over a decade. 

 

[Boges]

How was it that the grid accommodated people using fridges? electric ovens? Washer/Dryers, Dish washers,  Air Conditioning. 

It seems that innovation only works so far to some people's imagination. 

[sharkman]

6 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Did you do the math? It’s not very difficult to see that you’re absolutely wrong. Again… you are making shit up and treating it as fact. 

i

Please don't clutter up the forum with propaganda.

[Legato]

21 minutes ago, Boges said:

People talk about what to do when the power goes out, well a fully charged EV can actually power the basic functions of a home for a good deal of time. All without having to buy a Generator. 

Not as simple as it seems....

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a39493654/can-your-ev-power-your-house/

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Did you do the math? It’s not very difficult to see that you’re absolutely wrong. Again… you are making shit up and treating it as fact. 

i

Oh, None of the people posting about the Grid have put any critical thought into this issue. 

They're just parroting Right-Wing politician talking points. 

[sharkman]

Just now, Boges said:

How was it that the grid accommodated people using fridges? electric ovens? Washer/Dryers, Dish washers,  Air Conditioning. 

It seems that innovation only works so far to some people's imagination. 

They built more capacity into the grid.  More dams.  More nuclear plants, more coal fired plants.  But that was decades ago.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, sharkman said:

Please don't clutter up the forum with propaganda.

Math is propaganda now? 

[Boges]

Just now, sharkman said:

They built more capacity into the grid.  More dams.  More nuclear plants, more coal fired plants.  But that was decades ago.

Or develop storage methods. Or develop renewables. Or use Natural Gas Electricity as an alternative to the wildly inefficient Gasoline/Internal Combustion Engine industry. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Math is propaganda now? 

 

Shouldn't you be fleeing to higher ground?

If not...why not?

?

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Legato said:

Not as simple as it seems....

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a39493654/can-your-ev-power-your-house/

I said future EVs. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 has 124V outlets to power basic electronics right now. 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

Shouldn't you be fleeing to higher ground?

If not...why not?

?

You should be hoarding your wealth because JT is coming to take it with his extravagant carbon tax.