'Merica officially becomes Venezuela: Maralogo raided by Biden's goon squad

[Rebound]

21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

there is no evidence of perjury or any other crime 

Yes there certainly is. 
Trump, vis his attorney, issued a sworn statement to investigators stating no more Classified information remained at MAL, and then, agents with a lawfully-obtained search warrant found such information.  
 

Now, you may claim that the information was no longer classified, but there is no evidence that Trump declassified it. More to the point, we will learn at some point how significant the information was.  If it was of a highly dangerous nature, the release of which would jeopardize multi-billion dollar programs or put US covert agents’ lives in danger, then the “Oh, I just casually secretly declassified it” argument won’t hold up. The WaPo reported that some of the seized documents pertained to nuclear secrets. 
 

I agree… we don’t know everything yet. Difference is, I’m a reasonable person and you aren’t.  There is NOTHING Trump could conceivably do that would upset you. Which makes you brainwashed, but you don’t realize it. 

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You’re right. All this Hunter Biden nonsense is a non-sequitor.  The thread is about the criminal Trump, who STOLE Federal Government property in violation of, at a minimum, the Presidential Records Act.  

The thread is about the FBI and their political interference, and referencing other examples of their malfeasance serves to show the general picture.

If this was just a one-off it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but as usual, the FBI timed this to interfere in the mid-term elections, just like they did with their Gretchen Whitmer plot and their disinformation about the Hunter laptop. They also committed crimes to keep the Russian collusion hoax going for years, which again helped influence a set of mid-terms and even the 2020 presidential election. 

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Hunter Biden. Son of Joe Biden. You might have heard of the dude.

Those photos are not evidence of a crime. He may appear to have a crack pipe in his mouth, but we do not know what is actually inside that pipe.  He also appears to be asleep, and so the photographer could have put that in his mouth. Without corroborating evidence, we have no evidence of a crime in those photos.  
 

Beyond that? He’s admitted that he had a substance abuse problem and got treatment. 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Yes there certainly is. 
Trump, vis his attorney, issued a sworn statement to investigators stating no more Classified information remained at MAL, and then, agents with a lawfully-obtained search warrant found such information.

that information is no longer classified

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Rebound said:

Yes there certainly is. 
Trump, vis his attorney, issued a sworn statement to investigators stating no more Classified information remained at MAL, and then, agents with a lawfully-obtained search warrant found such information.  

Now, you may claim that the information was no longer classified, but there is no evidence that Trump declassified it. More to the point, we will learn at some point how significant the information was.

You're just assuming that what the FBI found was classified. Things are de-classified all the time. Even America's greatest secrets are declassified. For example, the location and timing of Trump's attacks on Syria were the most protected information on earth for a while, no they're common knowledge. 

So.... just because something says classified on it doesn't mean that it's still classified. 

And like we've mentioned several times here, Trump had the ultimate authority to de-classify. The FBI didn't have the power to stop him form doing that.  

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 If it was of a highly dangerous nature, the release of which would jeopardize multi-billion dollar programs or put US covert agents’ lives in danger, then the “Oh, I just casually secretly declassified it” argument won’t hold up.

 

If. 

So your whole argument is based on "if". Nice work.

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The WaPo reported that some of the seized documents pertained to nuclear secrets. 

OMG. Quoting WaPo after all this time is next-level stupid.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Those photos are not evidence of a crime. He may appear to have a crack pipe in his mouth, but we do not know what is actually inside that pipe.  He also appears to be asleep, and so the photographer could have put that in his mouth. Without corroborating evidence, we have no evidence of a crime in those photos.  
 

Beyond that? He’s admitted that he had a substance abuse problem and got treatment. 

FYI the knock on Joe/Hunter isn't that Hunter's a crackhead.

The fact that Hunter's a crackhead is just more proof that when he was receiving millions of dollars from the Chinese and from the criminals at Burisma, it wasn't for services rendered as much as it was for access to his father's influence. 

[DogOnPorch]

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Those photos are not evidence of a crime. He may appear to have a crack pipe in his mouth, but we do not know what is actually inside that pipe.  He also appears to be asleep, and so the photographer could have put that in his mouth. Without corroborating evidence, we have no evidence of a crime in those photos.  
 

Beyond that? He’s admitted that he had a substance abuse problem and got treatment. 

 

Keep praying to your chosen woke god that you'll escape scot-free.

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI the knock on Joe/Hunter isn't that Hunter's a crackhead.

The fact that Hunter's a crackhead is just more proof that when he was receiving millions of dollars from the Chinese and from the criminals at Burisma, it wasn't for services rendered as much as it was for access to his father's influence. 

 

The Democrats must keep trying to hide the banana re: the Bidens lest the horrible truth re: kids and crack become undeniable to the general public. That would be...hard to explain.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Keep praying to your chosen woke god that you'll escape scot-free.

I do not understand.

Let me be clear about something: I did not vote for Hunter Biden. If he broke one law or ten, he should be prosecuted and convicted. I don’t think it has anything to do with his father or whether progressive policies are right for America. It has nothing to do with anything, really.  It certainly has I nothing to do with the classified documents found at MAL.

 

As for those photos? They were probably photos of they guy smoking crack, but they couldn’t possibly hold up in court. How could you put a person in prison over a photo like that? 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Rebound

[sharkman]

So apparently Biden ordered the FBI raid on Trump, his political opponent.  This will not go over well.

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, sharkman said:

So apparently Biden ordered the FBI raid on Trump, his political opponent.  This will not go over well.

Source?

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, sharkman said:

So apparently Biden ordered the FBI raid on Trump, his political opponent.  This will not go over well.

I'm quick to say

it's just the game that's dealt

that gave Joe that rope

so he can hang himself

 

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

Source?

you've never heard of Google have you?

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that information is no longer classified

You keep stating ^this WITH NO SUBSTANTIATION. What is YOUR EXPERTISE to make ^this summary judgement?

It is really not as SIMPLE as you apparently believe. Here the complex and nuanced REALITY by an EXPERT: 

The Classification Status of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Documents

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Katie Kedian teaches Counterintelligence Law & Policy at the George Washington University Law School. She previously served as Chief of the Counterintelligence & Export Control Section at the U.S. Department of Justice. During her 13-year tenure as a prosecutor at DOJ, she managed numerous successful, high-profile criminal matters in the areas of espionage, leaks and mishandling of classified information, export control and sanctions, and national security-related cyber crimes.

I doubt you can even understand that article enough to make a case with cites, that you've not just pulled your opinion out of your ass.

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you've never heard of Google have you?

IT is the obligation of the claimant to provide the evidence, not the reader to go on what is probably a wild goose chase. ?

[TreeBeard]

Trump is not guilty because Hunter Biden smokes crack?  Hmmm…. Not the soundest of arguments.  
 

I think that crack was planted on Hunter Biden by the FBI.  

Edited September 6, 2022 by TreeBeard

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You keep stating ^this WITH NO SUBSTANTIATION. What is YOUR EXPERTISE to make ^this summary judgement?

It is really not as SIMPLE as you apparently believe. Here the complex and nuanced REALITY by an EXPERT: 

The Classification Status of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Documents

I doubt you can even understand that article enough to make a case with cites, that you've not just pulled your opinion out of your ass.

the POTUS has the power to declassify

you just assume he didn't use it

because you want to believe the walls are closing in on him

like other 100 times that never happened

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

the POTUS has the power to declassify

you just assume he didn't use it

Maybe the courts can decide the matter?

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

IT is the obligation of the claimant to provide the evidence, not the reader to go on what is probably a wild goose chase. ?

it's not a wild goose chase

the news broke yesterday

guess you never heard it in your Trump Hater echo chamber

or you did and you just assumed it was a lie

because you don't want it to be true

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you've never heard of Google have you?

Google is not a source, it is a search engine. I looked at Fox News, no headline there about it. So who’s claiming that Biden ordered a raid? 
 

In the first place, the Director of the FBI does not take orders from the President, and in the second, even if he did, it is up to a judge to issue the warrant. 

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

Maybe the courts can decide the matter?

if it goes to the SCOTUS

they will decide in Trump's favor

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

Google is not a source, it is a search engine.

learn to use it

damn you're lazy

Edited September 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Google is not a source, it is a search engine. I looked at Fox News, no headline there about it. So who’s claiming that Biden ordered a raid? 
 

In the first place, the Director of the FBI does not take orders from the President, and in the second, even if he did, it is up to a judge to issue the warrant. 

the FBI needed clearance from the DOJ

the DOJ did that at Biden's behest

not only was Biden aware of the raid before it happened

even though he claimed he didn't

turns out he ordered it

Edited September 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the FBI needed clearance from the DOJ

the DOJ did that at Biden's behest

not only was Biden aware of the raid before it happened

even though he claimed he didn't

turns out he ordered it

I’m supposed to believe this cause you say so?

Edited September 6, 2022 by Rebound

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Rebound said:

Cause you say so?

learn to Google

I am hardly the only one saying so