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Thousands of pastors across North America have reportedly come together to protest Bill C-4, a Canadian law that took effect Jan. 8 after reportedly being pushed through Parliament with little debate.

The claim is that Bill C-4 is broadly worded and could, in effect, ban biblical teachings on sexual ethics, and impact even personal communications on the subject.

Preachers are protesting the law at the pulpit, with 4,000 pastors affirming their opposition as well as willingness to speak out against it, Fox News reported.

John MacArthur of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles is among the pastors who have been vocal on the issue. He recently warned that such crackdowns will likely ramp up, especially as Christians refuse to cave.

“Ultimately, the dissenters, the ones who will not cave in, are going to be those who are faithful to the Bible. And that’s what’s already leading to laws made against doing what we are commanded to do in Scripture, which is to confront that sin,” he told Fox News. “And that’s just going to escalate.”

MacArthur added, “I think it’s reached a level there in Canada that it hasn’t yet reached here, but it’s coming. It’s coming fast.”

The preacher isn’t alone in voicing concern. Liberty Coalition Canada, a legal group that educates Canadians about the intersection of faith and governance, organized a clarion call for pastors to step up to the plate and discuss these issues.

In an article titled, “Bill C-4: How Should The Church Respond?” the organization offered guidance, and directly addressed issues with the law.

“This bill, while purporting to protect individuals from coercion and abuse in the form of ‘conversion therapy,’ will instead criminalize Christianity in our country,” part of the statement read. “This bill’s wording is sufficiently broad to allow for the criminal prosecution of Christians who would speak biblical truth into the lives of those in bondage to sexual sins like homosexuality and transgenderism.”

Liberty Coalition Canada expressed worries that even parents could be imprisoned for trying to help their children escape “sexual sin through repentance and faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.” The organization asked all Christian churches in Canada to come together and defend biblical truth.

The statement specifically asked church leaders to “publicly preach a sermon that specifically proclaims the biblical truth that homosexuality and transgenderism are serious sins condemned by the law of God that exclude a sinner from salvation without repentance.”

Thousands of pastors in North America reportedly responded to this call and are offering support to the initiative.

So, what’s actually in Bill C-4 that has so many pastors concerned?

Details of Bill C-4

Bill C-4 was codified last month and took effect in early January. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sent an elated tweet on Dec. 8, 2021, welcoming the news.

“It’s official: Our government’s legislation banning the despicable and degrading practice of conversion therapy has received Royal Assent – meaning it is now law,” he said. “LGBTQ2 Canadians, we’ll always stand up for you and your rights.”

Pastors, however, are worried about who plans to stand up for their rights, especially in light of the problematic and vague language they believe is embedded in the statute.

Text of the law notes that it amends criminal codes to create offenses around “causing another person to undergo conversion therapy,” taking a child outside Canada for conversion therapy, and advertising or promoting conversion therapy, among other violations.

Of particular interest is the bill’s preamble, which discusses “myths and stereotypes” surrounding sexuality. The text proclaims conversion therapy “causes harm” and then goes on to offer seemingly contentious language.

“Whereas conversion therapy causes harm to society because, among other things, it is based on and propagates myths and stereotypes about sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression, including the myth that heterosexuality, cisgender gender identity, and gender expression that conforms to the sex assigned to a person at birth are to be preferred over other sexual orientations, gender identities, and gender expressions,” it reads.

The preamble adds that the bill aims to “protect the human dignity and equality of all Canadians” before progressing to offer specific restrictions on conversion therapy.

The law punishes people in three specific categories: those who utilize conversion therapy, those who promote or advertise conversion therapy, and those who financially benefit from the practice.

The bill proclaims that “everyone who knowingly causes another person to undergo conversion therapy — including by providing conversion therapy to that other person” is in violation of the law and can face prison for up to five years.

Promotion or advertising of conversion therapy could come with up to two years imprisonment as can any offense among those who financially or materially benefit.

How Is Conversion Therapy Defined?

One of the central questions surrounding the bill centers on how the law defines conversion therapy. An explanation is embedded in the text, which reads, in part:

In section 320.‍102 to 320.‍104, conversion therapy means a practice, treatment, or service designed to

(a) change a person’s sexual orientation to heterosexual;
(b) change a person’s gender identity to cisgender;
(c) change a person’s gender expression so that it conforms to the sex assigned to the person at birth;
(d) repress or reduce non-heterosexual attraction or sexual behavior;
(e) repress a person’s non-cisgender gender identity; or
(f) repress or reduce a person’s gender expression that does not conform to the sex assigned to the person at birth.

A definition is presented, though some critics fear it is too vague to adequately protect churches and others who wish to teach biblical truth on sexuality.

Critics worry the law will perpetuate religious persecution and could even govern private conversations, according to Fox News.

Why Does It Matter?

The reasons this debate matters are implicit in the aforementioned background. Canada has been at the forefront of religious freedom debates of late, particularly in the age of COVID-19. Numerous pastors have faced fines or imprisonment for their refusal to shut down services.

As CBN News and Faithwire have reported, Pastor Tim Stephens and Artur Pawlowski are just two preachers who were detained for COVID-related infractions.

Some pastors and churches have made clear they don’t plan to back down, despite the cost, and it’s likely the conversion therapy battle is just another arena in which this perseverance is blatantly clear.

Trinity Bible Chapel in Waterloo, Ontario, recently published a video that encouraged churches not to shut down amid the pandemic. Church outreach and a woman’s baptism were highlighted in the clip. If the church were closed, the woman wouldn’t have found healing, the church argued.

“Refuse to close your doors. Refuse to turn people away. This testimony is one among many that are similar,” the church proclaimed. “We’ve witnessed over 100 baptisms at TBC since June 2020; all glory to God!”

It’s unclear where the conversion therapy debate will go next, though it appears thousands of pastors plan to speak out. It’s likely the battle is just beginning, as greater clarification and context are demanded.

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4,000 Pastors Unite Against Canada’s New LGBTQ Conversion Therapy Law, Warn It Will ‘Criminalize Christianity’ | CBN News

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It comes down to a cultural Marxist government that promotes the sexualization of children and expanding drug use while criminalizing freedom of religion.  What kind of morality is the Canadian Liberal government pushing?   They clearly think that they know better than parents and individuals how we should all think and what we should believe.  They basically shun freedom of belief, thought, and speech.  Now the youth are lost and psychological problems abound. Go figure.  

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25 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. It comes down to a cultural Marxist government that promotes the sexualization of children and expanding drug use while criminalizing freedom of religion.  What kind of morality is the Canadian Liberal government pushing?   They clearly think that they know better that parents and individuals how we should all think and what we should believe.

2. They basically shun freedom of belief, thought, and speech.  Now the youth are lost and psychological problems abound. Go figure.  

1. Hyperbolic anti-patriot windbags is our problem.  Leave the forum, shut down your laptop, throw it in the river, then walk south until someone hands you a shovel.  That's the freedom you need right there.

2. I have far more faith in the youth than the olds.  

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4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Hyperbolic anti-patriot windbags is our problem.  Leave the forum, shut down your laptop, throw it in the river, then walk south until someone hands you a shovel.  That's the freedom you need right there.

2. I have far more faith in the youth than the olds.  

The subject is a very simple question of fundamental freedom of belief and religion, which from your comment you cannot comprehend.  You would blindly follow a Marxist dictator into complete loss of freedom and individual rights in every area.   Once the dictator establishes his far reaching and widespread control of everything and you wake up to realize all your freedom is gone, it will be too late to do anything about it.

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55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Hyperbolic anti-patriot windbags is our problem.  Leave the forum, shut down your laptop, throw it in the river, then walk south until someone hands you a shovel.  That's the freedom you need right there.

2. I have far more faith in the youth than the olds.  

Wow for a minute there I thought you were hit in the back of the head by the liberal playbook, not that it is that thick. But it sounded exactly like a liberal shout-down...

Is there such a thing as a modern Canadian patriot, What does a Canadian patriot look or sound like, if we were interested in an example to look up to? 

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Hyperbolic anti-patriot windbags is our problem.  Leave the forum, shut down your laptop, throw it in the river, then walk south until someone hands you a shovel.  That's the freedom you need right there.

2. I have far more faith in the youth than the olds.  

Hard to face what the political agenda that you support has reaped:

- identity confusion

- drug abuse

- totalitarian restrictions and mandates

- loss of community

- depression and anxiety

- lower living standards 

- hyperinflation

Keep pretending that all is for the better.  

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

The subject is a very simple question of fundamental freedom of belief and religion,

Adults should be free to believe whatever the hell they want but AFAIC diddling with kids minds is barely a cut above diddling with their bodies.

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I many times criticized overreaching government. But an overreach is wrong for anyone in a position of authority however it is covered. You can tell your stories as long as they are willing to listen free and willingly. And you have no business telling young vulnerable people, influencing them on what to do with their bodies. It's just none of your business, their only, period. Stories, OK. Influence and power, wrong. Abuse of power, criminal. Stop overreach in a position of authority of any kind.

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I many times criticized overreaching government. But an overreach is wrong for anyone in a position of authority however it is covered. You can tell your stories as long as they are willing to listen free and willingly. And you have no business telling young vulnerable people, influencing them on what to do with their bodies. It's just none of your business, their only, period. Stories, OK. Influence and power, wrong. Abuse of power, criminal. Stop overreach in a position of authority of any kind.

So you don't believe parents have a right and a sacred responsibility to raise their children in the right way?  There is a wrong way, actually many wrong ways and a right way.  The broad way is wide and leads to destruction (and hell).  The right way is narrow and few there be that find it.  There is such a thing as parents and parental authority.  Is that alien to you?

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I think it’s very important that the discretion of parents’ beliefs is respected by government for the raising of children.  I say that whether you are a Muslim, atheist, Christian, Jewish or any other kind of parent.  What matters here is that on the fundamentals such as morality, faith, political beliefs, etc., the state must never be able to violate the beliefs of parents.  Once the state disrespects parents’ views and imposes views or participation on children, we are removing the ability of parents to raise their kids in accordance with their values.  Such things happen in the worst kinds of dictatorships.  

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5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

It comes down to a cultural Marxist government that promotes the sexualization of children and expanding drug use while criminalizing freedom of religion.  What kind of morality is the Canadian Liberal government pushing?   They clearly think that they know better than parents and individuals how we should all think and what we should believe.  They basically shun freedom of belief, thought, and speech.  Now the youth are lost and psychological problems abound. Go figure.  

They are sick folks

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Thousands of pastors across North America have reportedly come together to protest Bill C-4, a Canadian law that took effect Jan. 8 after reportedly being pushed through Parliament with little debate.

The claim is that Bill C-4 is broadly worded and could, in effect, ban biblical teachings on sexual ethics, and impact even personal communications on the subject.

Preachers are protesting the law at the pulpit, with 4,000 pastors affirming their opposition as well as willingness to speak out against it, Fox News reported.

John MacArthur of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles is among the pastors who have been vocal on the issue. He recently warned that such crackdowns will likely ramp up, especially as Christians refuse to cave.

“Ultimately, the dissenters, the ones who will not cave in, are going to be those who are faithful to the Bible. And that’s what’s already leading to laws made against doing what we are commanded to do in Scripture, which is to confront that sin,” he told Fox News. “And that’s just going to escalate.”

MacArthur added, “I think it’s reached a level there in Canada that it hasn’t yet reached here, but it’s coming. It’s coming fast.”

The preacher isn’t alone in voicing concern. Liberty Coalition Canada, a legal group that educates Canadians about the intersection of faith and governance, organized a clarion call for pastors to step up to the plate and discuss these issues.

In an article titled, “Bill C-4: How Should The Church Respond?” the organization offered guidance, and directly addressed issues with the law.

“This bill, while purporting to protect individuals from coercion and abuse in the form of ‘conversion therapy,’ will instead criminalize Christianity in our country,” part of the statement read. “This bill’s wording is sufficiently broad to allow for the criminal prosecution of Christians who would speak biblical truth into the lives of those in bondage to sexual sins like homosexuality and transgenderism.”

Liberty Coalition Canada expressed worries that even parents could be imprisoned for trying to help their children escape “sexual sin through repentance and faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.” The organization asked all Christian churches in Canada to come together and defend biblical truth.

The statement specifically asked church leaders to “publicly preach a sermon that specifically proclaims the biblical truth that homosexuality and transgenderism are serious sins condemned by the law of God that exclude a sinner from salvation without repentance.”

Thousands of pastors in North America reportedly responded to this call and are offering support to the initiative.

So, what’s actually in Bill C-4 that has so many pastors concerned?

Details of Bill C-4

Bill C-4 was codified last month and took effect in early January. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sent an elated tweet on Dec. 8, 2021, welcoming the news.

“It’s official: Our government’s legislation banning the despicable and degrading practice of conversion therapy has received Royal Assent – meaning it is now law,” he said. “LGBTQ2 Canadians, we’ll always stand up for you and your rights.”

Pastors, however, are worried about who plans to stand up for their rights, especially in light of the problematic and vague language they believe is embedded in the statute.

Text of the law notes that it amends criminal codes to create offenses around “causing another person to undergo conversion therapy,” taking a child outside Canada for conversion therapy, and advertising or promoting conversion therapy, among other violations.

Of particular interest is the bill’s preamble, which discusses “myths and stereotypes” surrounding sexuality. The text proclaims conversion therapy “causes harm” and then goes on to offer seemingly contentious language.

“Whereas conversion therapy causes harm to society because, among other things, it is based on and propagates myths and stereotypes about sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression, including the myth that heterosexuality, cisgender gender identity, and gender expression that conforms to the sex assigned to a person at birth are to be preferred over other sexual orientations, gender identities, and gender expressions,” it reads.

The preamble adds that the bill aims to “protect the human dignity and equality of all Canadians” before progressing to offer specific restrictions on conversion therapy.

The law punishes people in three specific categories: those who utilize conversion therapy, those who promote or advertise conversion therapy, and those who financially benefit from the practice.

The bill proclaims that “everyone who knowingly causes another person to undergo conversion therapy — including by providing conversion therapy to that other person” is in violation of the law and can face prison for up to five years.

Promotion or advertising of conversion therapy could come with up to two years imprisonment as can any offense among those who financially or materially benefit.

How Is Conversion Therapy Defined?

One of the central questions surrounding the bill centers on how the law defines conversion therapy. An explanation is embedded in the text, which reads, in part:

In section 320.‍102 to 320.‍104, conversion therapy means a practice, treatment, or service designed to

(a) change a person’s sexual orientation to heterosexual;
(b) change a person’s gender identity to cisgender;
(c) change a person’s gender expression so that it conforms to the sex assigned to the person at birth;
(d) repress or reduce non-heterosexual attraction or sexual behavior;
(e) repress a person’s non-cisgender gender identity; or
(f) repress or reduce a person’s gender expression that does not conform to the sex assigned to the person at birth.

A definition is presented, though some critics fear it is too vague to adequately protect churches and others who wish to teach biblical truth on sexuality.

Critics worry the law will perpetuate religious persecution and could even govern private conversations, according to Fox News.

Why Does It Matter?

The reasons this debate matters are implicit in the aforementioned background. Canada has been at the forefront of religious freedom debates of late, particularly in the age of COVID-19. Numerous pastors have faced fines or imprisonment for their refusal to shut down services.

As CBN News and Faithwire have reported, Pastor Tim Stephens and Artur Pawlowski are just two preachers who were detained for COVID-related infractions.

Some pastors and churches have made clear they don’t plan to back down, despite the cost, and it’s likely the conversion therapy battle is just another arena in which this perseverance is blatantly clear.

Trinity Bible Chapel in Waterloo, Ontario, recently published a video that encouraged churches not to shut down amid the pandemic. Church outreach and a woman’s baptism were highlighted in the clip. If the church were closed, the woman wouldn’t have found healing, the church argued.

“Refuse to close your doors. Refuse to turn people away. This testimony is one among many that are similar,” the church proclaimed. “We’ve witnessed over 100 baptisms at TBC since June 2020; all glory to God!”

It’s unclear where the conversion therapy debate will go next, though it appears thousands of pastors plan to speak out. It’s likely the battle is just beginning, as greater clarification and context are demanded.

***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up for Faithwire’s daily newsletter and download the CBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***

What is faith and what does the Bible say about faith? Click here for answers.    ....Unquote

....   for more of this article, go to:

4,000 Pastors Unite Against Canada’s New LGBTQ Conversion Therapy Law, Warn It Will ‘Criminalize Christianity’ | CBN News

Faith

Our society has a disturbing obsession with sex. It's not just the lgbtq though they certainly have some disturbing stuff at their rallies ie Aguilera wearing a giant strap on to a "family friendly" event

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I think it behooves a secular society to teach more science and make critical thinking the foundational basis for all school curriculum to counter the hooey some parents insist on filling their kids head with. I think it almost counts as a deliberately inflicted handicap myself. Might as well try to reshape their heads by tightening bands of copper around them while they're at it.

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