Dougie93 Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 "leader" is in fact the wrong word the gangs are in the drug business so the top man in any gang would more accurately be described as the "supplier" the hierarchy is based on who has control of the source of the drugs a pecking order is established not by leadership, but rather by access to the supply the gang battles are generally about bypassing this supply chain one member of the gang branches out and gains his own supply this then challenges the established supplier the two factions then go to war over which supply chain is going to be the source of the drugs for the gang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 9 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Gangs, of one type or another have been around for millennia. Controlling or wiping them out has been impossible for any law enforcement. As for the drugs, well with BC now allowing 2.5 grams as a freebie it makes things even worse. I cannot fathom that free injection sites for users buying illegal drugs from illegal pushers and being to take illegal drugs freely while there are record numbers of overdoses is doing anything to diminish drug use. They're not trying to diminish drug use they're trying to diminish deaths from poisoned drugs. In any case they'll still fail at doing both. If they'd simply legalize all drugs and more importantly their production by qualified producers and distributors they'd put a big dent in the gangs and deaths and at the end of the day they'd have more resources available for diminishing drug use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 11 hours ago, Nationalist said: Jail them for fucking ever Cant do that now, supreme court ruling. It’s inhumane. Expect a steady train of lawsuits, prisoners will sue the government of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Cant do that now, supreme court ruling. It’s inhumane. Didn't the SC simply say it was inhumane to remove any chance of parole? It didn't say parole was guaranteed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Dougie93 said: the gangs are far more powerful than the feeble government the gangs can kill any cop or politician they choose to, at any time organized crime is run by international cartels, no government official is really protected from them These street gangs are not as good as you think. Mostly they're young and inexperienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 5 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Cant do that now, supreme court ruling. It’s inhumane. Expect a steady train of lawsuits, prisoners will sue the government of Canada. Fuck 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 11 hours ago, Army Guy said: Why does it matter, The Canadian public has already bought into the government's lies. I take it you live in the city, don't hunt or fish, or do any sport shooting...this ban includes kids bb/pellet guns plus paintball and airsoft guns... let's not forget replica firearms as well. This is not the US, we already have some of the most restrictive gun control measures in the western nations. these measures are not to make it harder for criminals to get guns, it's about punishing legal gun owners who abide by the law. That is incorrect. Replicas yes. Criminals wlll have no more problem getting weapons now than before. A criminal does not register with the government, they get guns elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 7 hours ago, eyeball said: They're not trying to diminish drug use they're trying to diminish deaths from poisoned drugs. In any case they'll still fail at doing both. If they'd simply legalize all drugs and more importantly their production by qualified producers and distributors they'd put a big dent in the gangs and deaths and at the end of the day they'd have more resources available for diminishing drug use. It is not the qualified producers that is the problem because most opioids on the street nowadays are not prescribed but made in garages or illegal factories overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 8 hours ago, eyeball said: If they'd simply legalize all drugs and more importantly their production by qualified producers and distributors they'd put a big dent in the gangs and deaths and at the end of the day they'd have more resources available for diminishing drug use. Plus, think of all the money they could make. Cash windfall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: It is not the qualified producers that is the problem because most opioids on the street nowadays are not prescribed but made in garages or illegal factories overseas. Note I also said qualified distributors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Plus, think of all the money they could make. Cash windfall There'd be no windfall because the price would plummet. Pot can be had for a couple hundred bucks a pound now it's so cheap following legalisation. Why is it that conservatives have to be dragged kicking and screaming to everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, eyeball said: There'd be no windfall because the price would plummet. Pot can be had for a couple hundred bucks a pound now it's so cheap following legalisation. Why is it that conservatives have to be dragged kicking and screaming to everything? liberals want to ban guns conservatives want to ban drugs and both prohibitions mentioned are a boon to organized crime fuck the Prohees and the horse they rode in on Edited June 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: liberals want to ban guns I don't want to ban them I just want far greater controls placed on them. Trigger locks with gps chips to track them, public armouries to store them, safe places for shooting them for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: I don't want to ban them I just want far greater controls placed on them. Trigger locks with gps chips to track them, public armouries to store them, safe places for shooting them for example. you're just like the conservatives who want greater controls placed on drugs that you malign a giant hypocrite empowering organized crime you have no moral high ground to preach from so do us the favor of not pretending you do Canadian gun laws are far too restrictive as it is and you want more? typical Canadian gun grabber Edited June 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 50 minutes ago, eyeball said: Note I also said qualified distributors. Nor the qualified distributors. It is the illegal manufacturer and illegal distribution that is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you're just like the conservatives who want greater controls placed on drugs that you malign a giant hypocrite empowering organized crime you have no moral high ground to preach from so do us the favor of not pretending you do Canadian gun laws are far too restrictive as it is and you want more? typical Canadian gun grabber Horseshit. I simply want to make both things safer with controls on the things themselves. People like you OTOH are far more prone to try and control people. THAT'S the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Nor the qualified distributors. It is the illegal manufacturer and illegal distribution that is the problem. I clearly said both are the problem. This is because the law won't allow producers or distributors to operate legitimately and with proper standards and controls. What are you missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Nationalist said: These street gangs are not as good as you think. Mostly they're young and inexperienced. the street gangs are not the source of the drugs the drugs in Canada are ultimately supplied by the Chinese Triads & Latin American Cartels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, eyeball said: Horseshit. I simply want to make both things safer with controls on the things themselves. People like you OTOH are far more prone to try and control people. THAT'S the difference. I have a strong libertarian streak you are the one who thinks the solution to every problem is more government control under the idiotic assumption that more government control equals more safety you're the one who wants to control people, not me THAT'S the difference Edited June 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, eyeball said: There'd be no windfall because the price would plummet. Pot can be had for a couple hundred bucks a pound now it's so cheap following legalisation Pot is ridiculously expense after legalization, and you can’t buy it by the pound. I guess youre talking black market prices now. Little fly in the legalization ointment. Oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, eyeball said: I clearly said both are the problem. This is because the law won't allow producers or distributors to operate legitimately and with proper standards and controls. What are you missing? No you did not. You said "If they'd simply legalize all drugs and more importantly their production by qualified producers and distributors" Are you saying pharmaceutical companies and distributors are working against existing laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: I have a strong libertarian streak you are the one who thinks the solution to every problem is more government control under the idiotic assumption that more government control equals more safety you're the one who wants to control people, not me THAT'S the difference No I think the real difference is that you want no controls whatsoever. Things, people, nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: No you did not. You said "If they'd simply legalize all drugs and more importantly their production by qualified producers and distributors" Are you saying pharmaceutical companies and distributors are working against existing laws? No, I'm saying they're not allowed to produce, distribute or sell within the law. Hence the need for criminals and guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 11 hours ago, ExFlyer said: That is incorrect. Replicas yes. Criminals wlll have no more problem getting weapons now than before. A criminal does not register with the government, they get guns elsewhere. The new bill clearly mentions replicas, of all types the way it is worded it could be interpreted to include airsoft/bb/pellet guns that look like or resemble existing banned firearms. Airsoft industry up in arms over new gun bill | Toronto Sun Scroll down to near the bottom of this source, and tell me if you can tell the difference between airsoft and real weapons, note the M-60 machine gun, with the very real-looking dummy ammo hanging off the side.. It makes no sense at all to ban replica guns and then leave these guns on the market. very few have the bright orange cap on the end to denote a toy... Did The Canadian Government Include Airsoft Guns In Its New Weapons Ban? | Popular Airsoft: Welcome To The Airsoft World Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 7 hours ago, eyeball said: I clearly said both are the problem. This is because the law won't allow producers or distributors to operate legitimately and with proper standards and controls. What are you missing? It is what you are missing, drug users don't want government-made clean drugs, why do you think they are using the drugs laced with killer ingredients It is the High they get off of them...they are looking for a better high... this coming from a documentary done in BC. Do you think for one minute that government-produced clean drugs could compete with street drug prices or availability Are they going to give it away, a social program for addicts...sounds like an open invitation to get alot more kids hooked on these drugs.. look at weed, do you think the government weed stores have stopped any illegal weed on the streets? Not really, it is not, gangs are still making money selling weed lots of money... Canada's Illegal Cannabis Market Is Still Strong but on the Decline | Article | Analytical Cannabis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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