Another Mass Shooting

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They don't have the same kind of access in other countries. FYI, the US is not the only country with mentally ill people.

yes they do

the problem isn't the access

anyone determined to mass murder people

isn't going to be worried about obeying gun laws to do it

if they can't get one legally, they can find a way to get one illegally

this is true in any country

yet mass shooting rates vary widely regardless

because it's not about access

Edited July 9, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

yes they do

the problem isn't the access

Ya, a lot of it is but carry on killing each other and making excuses for it.

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Ya, a lot of it is

you have no evidence to back that assertion

it's just your uninformed opinion

based on your America Derangement Syndrome confirmation bias

Edited July 9, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you have no evidence to back that assertion

it's just your uninformed opinion

based on your America Derangement Syndrome confirmation bias

Very well, stay in your bubble convinced the rest of the world has got it wrong.

[Yzermandius19]

36 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Very well, stay in your bubble convinced the rest of the world has got it wrong.

argument ad populum

you're the one in the bubble

[OftenWrong]

DIY gun used to kill Japan's ex-PM Abe was simple to make, analysts say

Instructions here.

The man suspected of killing Shinzo Abe could have made the weapon in a day or two after obtaining readily available materials such as wood and metal pipes, analysts say.

The attack showed gun violence cannot be totally eliminated even in a country where tough gun laws mean it is nearly unheard of for citizens to buy or own firearms.

Therefore wood and metal pipes to be banned.

For your safety

[Aristides]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2022/07/08/heres-how-japans-low-gun-death-rate-compares-to-the-us-and-other-countries/?sh=f97fb9358c4c

 

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Japan’s strict firearms regulations have kept the number of gun-related deaths incredibly low—nine firearms deaths in 2018, for example— compared to the 39,740 in the U.S. in 2018, including 24,432 by suicide and 13,958 by homicide, according to a 2020 report from the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Solutions.

 

[West]

Learning a bit about Acadian history. If ever there is a reason to refuse to give your firearms, that would be it. The Brits promise them something in return for giving up their weapons then go burn down their village and exile them anyway. 

[eyeball]

On 7/9/2022 at 5:14 PM, OftenWrong said:

DIY gun used to kill Japan's ex-PM Abe was simple to make, analysts say

Instructions here.

The man suspected of killing Shinzo Abe could have made the weapon in a day or two after obtaining readily available materials such as wood and metal pipes, analysts say.

The attack showed gun violence cannot be totally eliminated even in a country where tough gun laws mean it is nearly unheard of for citizens to buy or own firearms.

Therefore wood and metal pipes to be banned.

For your safety

How typical...implying that gun control means gun totalitarianism. Bolding the word totally sort of gives an insight into your thinking.

Is it fair to conclude you believe just about any attempt to make the world a safer place should be referred to as government overreach?

Do you always wait for the red light to turn green when there's no one coming?  Why?

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How typical...implying that gun control means gun totalitarianism. Bolding the word totally sort of gives an insight into your thinking.

Is it fair to conclude you believe just about any attempt to make the world a safer place should be referred to as government overreach?

gun control doesn't make the world any safer

that's just naive wishful thinking

"making the world a safer place" is the excuse every tyrant uses, to justify their tyranny

you're easily fooled into supporting tyranny as long as they blow empty platitudes up your ass invoking public safety

Edited July 20, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

gun control doesn't make the world any safer

What about red traffic lights?

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What about red traffic lights?

traffic lights actually enhance safety, under the right circumstances anyway

gun control doesn't,  it's proponents just claim it does

and you can't tell the difference

because you just assume any time someone invokes public safety via more government control

that they couldn't possibly be mistaken about that

you are fooled by that ruse on many occasions

you're a total sucker for it

can you name even one instance

where you don't buy into that argument when invoked?

because I can't

Edited July 20, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

traffic lights actually enhance safety, under the right circumstances anyway

gun control doesn't,  it's proponents just claim it does

and you can't tell the difference

because you just assume any time someone invokes public safety via more government control

that they couldn't possibly be mistaken about that

you are fooled by that ruse on many occasions

you're a total sucker for it

can you name even one instance

where you don't buy into that argument when invoked?

because I can't

Sure, when the government claims it's Accountability and Transparency Act keeps us safe from influence peddling.

That's something I don't recall you losing much if any sleep over at all.

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, when the government claims it's Accountability and Transparency Act keeps us safe from influence peddling.

That's something I don't recall you losing much if any sleep over at all.

so why do see how it's a bullshit rationale in that instance, yet are totally oblivious to it in other instances?

selective blinders over 9000

Edited July 20, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

so why do see how it's a bullshit rationale in that instance, yet are totally oblivious to it in other instances?

selective blinders over 9000

What other specific instances are you talking about?  It looks to me like you're blindly declaring me a government sycophant. You do this despite knowing full well my solution to influence peddling makes me just about the complete opposite.

But of course you think listening to what public officials and paid lobbyists are talking about is an attack on Canadian's free speech, without ever saying how or why. There's no accounting for why your thoughts on transparency are so bizarre.

Curious how the instance I chose puts you in such a tizzy. Always does. What's your interest in protecting politicians and lobbyists from the public spotlight anyway?

[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What other specific instances are you talking about?  It looks to me like you're blindly declaring me a government sycophant. You do this despite knowing full well my solution to influence peddling makes me just about the complete opposite.

But of course you think listening to what public officials and paid lobbyists are talking about is an attack on Canadian's free speech, without ever saying how or why. There's no accounting for why your thoughts on transparency are so bizarre.

Curious how the instance I chose puts you in such a tizzy. Always does. What's your interest in protecting politicians and lobbyists from the public spotlight anyway?

certain people not being able to speak in private

is an obvious violation of their free speech rights

being politicians or lobbyists is not grounds to strip them of those rights

I don't like politicians or lobbyists

but I don't want take away their rights because of that

I have principles

Edited July 20, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

On 7/6/2022 at 10:07 AM, WestCanMan said:

The US is like every other country, but on steroids. Gang violence, narcotics, prescription drug abuse, alcoholism, combat sports, steroid usage, muscle cars, even football.... all done on a different level in the US than anywhere else in the world.  

Basically anything you can do that damages brain cells is like a religion in the US. 

Mass murders are hugely popular in the ME, much moreso than in the US. It's so common that you don't hear about the killing of a mere 7 people. 

So for USA, the standard is Middle Eastern dictatorships where terrorist attacks are common. But that measure everything is fine amd compares favourably. Gotcha  

And even in the ME it’s organized terror cells working towards a purpose and not random disgruntled citizens with a few screws loose  who just go on a killing spree one day  

 

[BeaverFever]

On 7/6/2022 at 9:50 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

there is no way to stop mass shooting whackos from getting guns

taking guns away from the non-whackos who can stop them

makes it easier on them

and that's the only thing the gun control measures you support do

Not true gun control works in every country that uses it. 

[Yzermandius19]

49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Not true gun control works in every country that uses it. 

fake news

[BeaverFever]

True

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

fake news

True news.  As evidenced by the facts and statistics 

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

True

True news.  As evidenced by the facts and statistics 

no facts and statistics show that gun control works

that's just ignorant interpretation of them

[Aristides]

14 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

no facts and statistics show that gun control works

that's just ignorant interpretation of them

Other than they have consistently lower firearms deaths, none at all.

[Yzermandius19]

26 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Other than they have consistently lower firearms deaths, none at all.

that's not proof the gun control is responsible

what proof do you have that gun control lowers firearms deaths?

Edited July 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that's not proof the gun control is responsible

what proof do you have that gun control lowers firearms deaths?

What proof do you have that it doesn't? 

[Yzermandius19]

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

What proof do you have that it doesn't? 

if you want to take away people's rights

then the burden of proof is on you to prove it's worth it

you don't get to take away people's rights because of unsubstantiated assumptions

Edited July 31, 2022 by Yzermandius19