Another Mass Shooting

Boges · May 25, 2022

59 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Where are the "what is mass shootings" posters now?

Where are the mass shooting deniers now?

This was not gang or drug related, where are you now??

Where are the deflectors claiming Neo Marxism or other off topic BS now?

They'll show up.

Don't politicize tragedy. Murder is illegal, so how do gun laws stop this? If the teachers were armed, this wouldn't have happened.

There's a stalemate in opinion on this.

The only way this stops is if politicians stand to lose elections for their pro-gun stance. But in reality, the opposite is true. Standing up to the Gun lobby means your political demise in Waffle House states.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Boges

ExFlyer · May 25, 2022

13 minutes ago, Boges said:

They'll show up.

Don't politicize tragedy. Murder is illegal, so how do gun laws stop this? If the teachers were armed, this wouldn't have happened.

There's a stalemate in opinion on this.

The only way this stop is if politicians stand to lose elections for their pro-gun stance. But in reality, the opposite is true. Standing up to the Gun lobby means your political demise in Waffle House states.

Archie Bunker mentality.

Political longevity more important than children's lives I guess.

Michael Hardner · May 25, 2022

14 minutes ago, Boges said:

1. There's a stalemate in opinion on this.

2. The only way this stop is if politicians stand to lose elections for their pro-gun stance. But in reality, the opposite is true. Standing up to the Gun lobby means your political demise in Waffle House states.

1. Untrue. The gun lobby buys politicians and pays them to vote against what their constituents want. Starting Sept 1, Texas enacted 'Constitutional Carry' laws, ensuring that their gun manufacturer supporters would become even wealthier. Texans as of that time could buy without a background check.

This is presumably to satisfy the ELEVEN PERCENT polled who want gun laws weakened.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

There's your stalemate, chum.

2. Imagine if politics were about issues. That would mean that the gun manufacturers that fund the TV ads and internet posts would have to voluntarily stop purchasing public opinion.

Boges · May 25, 2022

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Untrue. The gun lobby buys politicians and pays them to vote against what their constituents want. Starting Sept 1, Texas enacted 'Constitutional Carry' laws, ensuring that their gun manufacturer supporters would become even wealthier. Texans as of that time could buy without a background check.

This is presumably to satisfy the ELEVEN PERCENT polled who want gun laws weakened.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

There's your stalemate, chum.

2. Imagine if politics were about issues. That would mean that the gun manufacturers that fund the TV ads and internet posts would have to voluntarily stop purchasing public opinion.

Right-Wing politicians run on preserving "Second Amendment" Rights. They shoot guns in their campaign ads.

There's a larger than 10% faction that sees rolling back gun laws as a slippery slope to government tyranny.

Nationalist · May 25, 2022

Removing the 2nd amendment is a non-starter in the USA. It just is. And when these slaughters happen, its a direct result of the 2nd amendment. People can get guns and the sick-os will use them in horrific ways. That is something the American public will either have to accept in order to hang onto the 2nd amendment, or address the amendment directly. HOWEVER...

The vast majority of gun violence in the USA is NOT a result of these news-making slaughters, but the daily slaughter that goes UNREPORTED by anyone (excepting FOX NEWS). This endless daily slaughter is destroying cities and making a mockery of the law with the current coddling these criminals get from the Libbie mayors and DAs in these cities.

If the USofA really wants to maintain the 2nd amendment as is, yet also want to reduce gun violence, they will have to undo this war on cops and the legal system. Turn the cops loose to do their jobs, and make Gawd Damn sure offenders go to jail for a long long time.

There is a war going on in Chicago, in NYC, Baltimore, LA, and all sorts of other cities. The gangs have no fear of the law anymore. They brazenly open fire in residential neighbourhoods. The police and the entire legal system must respond by joining the war and crushing it mercilessly.

The crazed slaughters will continue, but with some good police work and good convictions, with an end to this paralyzing partisan bickering and a return to a safe neighbourhood, the USofA could drastically reduce "gun crime". But that would mean ignoring the loud and destructive voices of the "Progressives"...people who IMO, should be the ones the DOJ investigate for...terrorism.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Nationalist

Michael Hardner · May 25, 2022

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Right-Wing politicians run on preserving "Second Amendment" Rights. They shoot guns in their campaign ads.

There's a larger than 10% faction that sees rolling back gun laws as a slippery slope to government tyranny.

And yet 52% are in favour of stronger laws.

People are mistaken in thinking this is a democracy.

Aristides · May 25, 2022

The US already has more people in jail and a larger percentage of its people in jail than any other country in the world. They will keep doing more of the same things that don't work so they don't have to do anything else. These kids are just collateral damage to a warped ideology.

Boges · May 25, 2022

taxme · May 25, 2022

On 5/14/2022 at 1:14 PM, ExFlyer said:

I cannot understand or even come to grips with the American ethos that they are not completely enraged with te nass shootings in their country.

Another one after a NBA Game https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/20-injured-in-milwaukee-shootings-after-bucks-playoff-game/ar-AAXgAKA?ocid=EMMX&cvid=e2c7d10e65934fe6a2407d50102ec027

Over 150 so far this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022

What is wrong down there??

It's all because of those democrats in power and their lack of wanting to try and do something about it. It appears as though they want it this way. In most of those democratic states crime is on the rampage. We watch on TV as criminals run into stores and start stealing anything that they can get their grubby stealing hands on. Anyone who steals anything under $900, like in San Francisco, they cannot be charged for their crimes of stealing other people's property. Not a bad deal for thieves, eh? ?

Boges · May 25, 2022

21 minutes ago, taxme said:

It's all because of those democrats in power and their lack of wanting to try and do something about it. It appears as though they want it this way. In most of those democratic states crime is on the rampage. We watch on TV as criminals run into stores and start stealing anything that they can get their grubby stealing hands on. Anyone who steals anything under $900, like in San Francisco, they cannot be charged for their crimes of stealing other people's property. Not a bad deal for thieves, eh? ?

I agree, but this has nothing to do with Gun Crime.

These type of incidents happen in both Red and Blue states.

blackbird · May 25, 2022

5 hours ago, Boges said:

They'll show up.

Don't politicize tragedy. Murder is illegal, so how do gun laws stop this? If the teachers were armed, this wouldn't have happened.

There's a stalemate in opinion on this.

The only way this stops is if politicians stand to lose elections for their pro-gun stance. But in reality, the opposite is true. Standing up to the Gun lobby means your political demise in Waffle House states.

Arming teachers would not stop these kind of tragedies. All it would do is make teachers the number one target. It would be like putting a bulls eye on their back. So it would not stop the killings. More people armed is not the answer either.

The first thing that needs to happen is Americans need to wake up and realize that the so-called right to bear arms is nonsensical. Enabling every individual to arm him or herself is beyond comprehension. There needs to be a major change but I don't have the answer on how it could happen.

Edited May 25, 2022 by blackbird

Boges · May 25, 2022

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

More people armed is not the answer either.

Murikans think it is. Well the ones that think the 2nd amendment is sacrosanct.

ExFlyer · May 25, 2022

1 hour ago, taxme said:

It's all because of those democrats in power and their lack of wanting to try and do something about it. It appears as though they want it this way. In most of those democratic states crime is on the rampage. We watch on TV as criminals run into stores and start stealing anything that they can get their grubby stealing hands on. Anyone who steals anything under $900, like in San Francisco, they cannot be charged for their crimes of stealing other people's property. Not a bad deal for thieves, eh? ?

Oh stop. If anything it is the republicans that are far more gun ownership crazy.

The gun lobby is a very powerful lobby in the US and they can make or break a politician, regardless of party.

"

Since 1998, gun rights groups have spent $190 million on lobbying, with 60% of that total being spent in the past nine years. Gun control advocates have spent just $30 million since 1998.

Beyond lobbying, gun control groups have contributed $50.5 million to federal candidates and party committees between 1989 and 2022, with the vast majority going to Republicans. They spent especially heavily in the 2020 election, with $16.6 million in outside spending. For 2022, they’ve already contributed $4.4 million, says OpenSecrets, based on its analysis of Federal Election Commission data."

https://fortune.com/2022/05/25/nra-contributions-politicians-lobbying-gun-rights-groups-record-2021-ted-cruz/

Edited May 25, 2022 by ExFlyer

Aristides · May 25, 2022

1 hour ago, taxme said:

It's all because of those democrats in power and their lack of wanting to try and do something about it. It appears as though they want it this way. In most of those democratic states crime is on the rampage. We watch on TV as criminals run into stores and start stealing anything that they can get their grubby stealing hands on. Anyone who steals anything under $900, like in San Francisco, they cannot be charged for their crimes of stealing other people's property. Not a bad deal for thieves, eh? ?

Only in your warped world could shop lifting be equated with shooting 19 little kids.

Infidel Dog · May 25, 2022

So you cackling gaggle of the gun grabbers' chicken littles have been convinced you can save America with stricter gun laws...

This last mass shooting happened in Texas so the instigators of gun grabbing hysterics jumped on it, screed and pointed fingers at the 2nd amendment:

And because gun laws in Texas are lax you cheerfully bought in.

Let's ignore the fact the kid was nuts - cutting his face up with knives, offering cryptic social media warnings and the 2 mass shootings before this one were in New York which has strict gun laws.

And speaking of strict gun laws would you like to talk about the American shootings capital of Chicago which has among the strictest gun laws in North America.

But I'm listening. Which gun laws precisely were you wanting to bring in federally that you believe will save America?

Edited May 25, 2022 by Infidel Dog

eyeball · May 25, 2022

6 hours ago, Boges said:

Right-Wing politicians run on preserving "Second Amendment" Rights. They shoot guns in their campaign ads.

There's a larger than 10% faction that sees rolling back gun laws as a slippery slope to government tyranny.

Largely composed of morons who believe face diapers are proof the Red Dawn has arrived. The slope towards utter fucking stupidity is even slipperier.

Infidel Dog · May 25, 2022

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Largely composed of morons who believe face diapers are proof the Red Dawn has arrived. The slope towards utter fucking stupidity is even slipperier.

Because you and yours are so much brainier believing repeating failed policies will save the world.

New York state has red flag gun laws. And like I said above. The 2 mass shootings hyped in the media before this last one happened in New York.

I'm told California has an average of 44 mass shootings a year. California has both red flag gun laws and requires gun registration.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Infidel Dog

Aristides · May 25, 2022

27 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

So you cackling gaggle of the gun grabbers' chicken littles have been convinced you can save America with stricter gun laws...

This last mass shooting happened in Texas so the instigators of gun grabbing hysterics jumped on it, screed and pointed fingers at the 2nd amendment:

And because gun laws in Texas are lax you cheerfully bought in.

Let's ignore the fact the kid was nuts - cutting his face up with knives, offering cryptic social media warnings and the 2 mass shootings before this one were in New York which has strict gun laws.

And speaking of strict gun laws would you like to talk about the American shootings capital of Chicago which has among the strictest gun laws in North America.

But I'm listening. Which gun laws precisely were you wanting to bring in federally that you believe will save America?

Gee, maybe a background would have discovered that before he was allowed to buy guns. Don't want crazy people to have guns, don't let them buy guns.

Infidel Dog · May 25, 2022

20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Gee, maybe a background would have discovered that before he was allowed to buy guns. Don't want crazy people to have guns, don't let them buy guns.

Here ya go. This is what they've already got for background checks in America.

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Gun buyers are required to submit to a background check through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

A prospective buyer fills out ATF Form 4473 and the federally licensed firearms dealers relays this information to the NICS. NICS staff perform a background check to verify the prospective buyer does not have a criminal record and is not otherwise ineligible to purchase a firearm.

The NICS has conducted more than 300 million checks since launching in 1998, leading to over 3 million denials.

The following groups are currently prohibited from owning guns:

Convicted felons

People under federal domestic restraining orders

People convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence crimes against victims they have been married to, lived with, or had a child with

People committed to a mental-health facility, or a court ruled were mentally unfit

Fugitives

People convicted of drug crimes or determined to by a court to be addicted to an illegal controlled substance

Thirty states, five US territories, and the Washington, DC rely on the FBI for background checks via the NICS. Seven states handle some background checks with the FBI in charge of specific types of transactions. The remaining 13 states, known as “point of contact”

But go ahead then Aristides, save America. Tell them what they need to add to make background checks that can be 'Aristides approved.' Then we can discuss.

There are some ideas at the site.

https://usafacts.org/articles/firearm-background-checks-explained/

Infidel Dog · May 25, 2022

BTW Aristides, can we put you on record as saying you're fine with gun ownership now as long as there are background checks?

If not, why not?

Aristides · May 25, 2022

11 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Here ya go. This is what they've already got for background checks in America.

But go ahead then Aristides, save America. Tell them what they need to add to make background checks that can be 'Aristides approved.' Then we can discuss.

There are some ideas at the site.

https://usafacts.org/articles/firearm-background-checks-explained/

https://nypost.com/2021/05/24/texas-to-allow-handguns-without-permit-or-background-check/

Perhaps you should read your own article. For one thing federal law says a sale can go ahead if a background check is not completed within 3 days. How in depth do you think a check would be with that limitation?

Edited May 25, 2022 by Aristides

Aristides · May 25, 2022

DEL

Edited May 25, 2022 by Aristides

Infidel Dog · May 25, 2022

37 minutes ago, Aristides said:

https://nypost.com/2021/05/24/texas-to-allow-handguns-without-permit-or-background-check/

Perhaps you should read your own article. For one thing federal law says a sale can go ahead if a background check is not completed within 3 days. How in depth do you think a check would be with that limitation?

So you link me to your article and tell me to read mine? That's a little confusing.

But yeah in my article where I told you there were some ideas on how you could fix the existing background checks it said this:

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The federal default proceed gap means that the government has three business days to conduct and finish their background check. If a firearm dealer has not been notified within three business days that a sale would violate federal or state laws, they may, by default, proceed with the sale.

So is that it then? Have you saved America now by fixing that problem with existing background checks?

Edited May 25, 2022 by Infidel Dog

Infidel Dog · May 25, 2022

But I did find this in your link talking about the ease of background checks for handguns:

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In Texas Federal background checks would still be required for some purchases. The law says anyone over 21 can carry a gun except those who can’t because of a violent crime conviction or who are otherwise legally barred from having a gun.

Perhaps you should have read that.