Ontario To the Polls

[Boges]

Dofo in a blowout. 

Liberals gain one seat and their leader is defeated. 

Both the Liberals and NDP lose their leader. 

[ExFlyer]

47 minutes ago, Boges said:

Dofo in a blowout. 

Liberals gain one seat and their leader is defeated. 

Both the Liberals and NDP lose their leader. 

Only about 40% of the Ontario voters turned out.

I believe the Conservative voters came out and voted for Ford but the dippers and libs had such lousy leaders and campaign, their party loyalists did not vote.

Both libs and dippers promised so much even their own did not believe them.

So both leaders bailed. Horwath a 4 time complainer and loser is gone and the Del Duca/McGuinty/Wynne libs may have finally died.

Sure a big change from when Ford won the first time. The outrage and the claim that Ontario is finished. Now they wanted Ford

[Boges]

Also, the two fringe Right Parties "New Blue" and the "Ontario" party didn't sniff any electoral success. 

An independent did win in a rural riding, she wasn't selected for PCs so she ran Independent and not with one of these crazies party. 

[Michael Hardner]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

Also, the two fringe Right Parties "New Blue" and the "Ontario" party didn't sniff any electoral success. 

An independent did win in a rural riding, she wasn't selected for PCs so she ran Independent and not with one of these crazies party. 

Chucklef*ck politics descends another notch and it seems they stayed home as did lefties.

Ford had a unifying message, reaching out to three opposition parties and Ford Nation has become Ontario Nation.

In real terms, Ontario as a country would have a GDP and relevance similar to the Netherlands or Switzerland.  

[Yzermandius19]

26 minutes ago, Boges said:

Also, the two fringe Right Parties "New Blue" and the "Ontario" party didn't sniff any electoral success. 

An independent did win in a rural riding, she wasn't selected for PCs so she ran Independent and not with one of these crazies party. 

New Blue are the sane ones

Doug Ford is a useless cuck

Edited June 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[ironstone]

I'm pleased that the PC's won a strong majority but disappointed by the low voter turnout. Ford won't solve all of our problems but compared with the far-left two major opponents he is clearly the best of the worst.

Having the right to vote is a wonderful thing and it's a pity so many people just can't be bothered to do it.

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I'm pleased that the PC's won a strong majority but disappointed by the low voter turnout. Ford won't solve all of our problems but compared with the far-left two major opponents he is clearly the best of the worst.

Having the right to vote is a wonderful thing and it's a pity so many people just can't be bothered to do it.

I suspect the dippers and libs that hated Ford disliked their own leaders more so they stayed away.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Having the right to vote is a wonderful thing and it's a pity so many people just can't be bothered to do it.

Voting in an election is a highly overrated right and the vast majority knows it. Give them something more tangible to bother with like citizens assemblies and referenda and I bet you'll see a lot more participation.

Edited June 3, 2022 by eyeball

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Also, the two fringe Right Parties "New Blue" and the "Ontario" party didn't sniff any electoral success. 

An independent did win in a rural riding, she wasn't selected for PCs so she ran Independent and not with one of these crazies party. 

Too bad one of the “crazy” parties didn’t win any seats.  Not surprising in socialist Canada.  

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Voting in an election is a highly overrated right and the vast majority knows it. Give them something more tangible to bother with like citizens assemblies and referenda and I bet you'll see a lot more participation.

I would agree with you on that, giving citizens more opportunity to vote in individual issues would be a step up.

I still say having the ability to vote is not something to be taken lightly but I kind of get when many people are fed up with the current choices we have. No leader or political party is perfect but I hope at the very least I will choose to support the party that won't screw me over as much as the other parties.

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, ironstone said:

No leader or political party is perfect but I hope at the very least I will choose to support the party that won't screw me over as much as the other parties.

I've had it with casting negative votes. I want to vote FOR something for a change. 

 

[ExFlyer]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

I've had it with casting negative votes. I want to vote FOR something for a change. 

 

And that is why the dippers and libs stayed away in droves.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

And that is why the dippers and libs stayed away in droves.

Which makes no sense whatsoever given all the sheep-like group-think behaviour dippers and libs are said to be possessed with. 

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Which makes no sense whatsoever given all the sheep-like group-think behaviour dippers and libs are said to be possessed with. 

Are you insinuating politics and voters need to make sense, especially amongst dippers and libs?

Fact is, conservative voters turned out and got Ford a greater majority than before and the dippers and libs lost seats.

[Zeitgeist]

Ford has so far proven surprisingly savvy, occupying the political centre in the tradition of Red Tories like Bill Davis. If he maintains this stance of “governing for all”, he may hold office for some time.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Are you insinuating politics and voters need to make sense, especially amongst dippers and libs?

I was just commenting on conservative assumptions and tropes about the left.  I do think however that any assumptive sense that conservative thinking was replacing whatever's on the minds of the 60% who didn't turn out can be ruled out otherwise more would have voted for Ford.

So I wonder if a populist party that governs from the center could arise and what it would look like?  Something that can blow the extremes away from both ends of the spectrum at the same time while retaining what's best from in between.

Now I'm insinuating what you said. 

[suds]

You can't blame low turnout for the results when the polling was so accurate. For myself it was a first for mail in voting.

[BeaverFever]

On 6/3/2022 at 9:47 AM, ExFlyer said:

Only about 40% of the Ontario voters turned out.

I believe the Conservative voters came out and voted for Ford but the dippers and libs had such lousy leaders and campaign, their party loyalists did not vote.

Both libs and dippers promised so much even their own did not believe them.

So both leaders bailed. Horwath a 4 time complainer and loser is gone and the Del Duca/McGuinty/Wynne libs may have finally died.

Sure a big change from when Ford won the first time. The outrage and the claim that Ontario is finished. Now they wanted Ford

Lowest turnout in Ontario history, second lowest in Canadian history. It was a big meh-lection  Nobody cared and there wasn’t a clear reason to vote at all much less vote a new party into government 

I disagree about Liberals and NDP promising too much. They actually didn’t promise much of anything. It was not clear what they actually would do/have done differently, instead they offered up grab-bag of obviously transparent gimmicks: buck-a-ride transit FOR ONE YEAR ONLY ….pffft…that’s almost as bad as the now-defunct buck-a-beer  

Meanwhile DoFo didn’t even release an election platform and stayed away from controversial topics and basically just kept a fairly low profile considering an election was happening. He didn’t give voters any reason to toss him out and the other parties didn’t give Ontarians a reason to vote them in. 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/4/2022 at 10:40 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Ford has so far proven surprisingly savvy, occupying the political centre in the tradition of Red Tories like Bill Davis. If he maintains this stance of “governing for all”, he may hold office for some time.

It took the pandemic for that to happen. His first 1.75 years were a divisive partisan shitshow but I’ll admit he grew up fast and came to the centre when it mattered. 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/3/2022 at 11:47 AM, eyeball said:

Voting in an election is a highly overrated right and the vast majority knows it. Give them something more tangible to bother with like citizens assemblies and referenda and I bet you'll see a lot more participation.

That’s a recipe for disaster. It’s a shitshow in the states. In the US Voting takes hours because of the long lineups caused by all the shit on the ballot they have to vote for, and people are asked to vote for or against things that they never heard of before they stepped in to the voting booth or know practically nothing about. 

Edited June 6, 2022 by BeaverFever

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s a recipe for disaster.

I hate to break it to you but there's a disaster unfolding now. Think of it as a last chance Hail Mary pass.

How about preventing in-camera lobbying?  Some people seem to think that would cause an even bigger disaster.

Edited June 6, 2022 by eyeball

[BeaverFever]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

I hate to break it to you but there's a disaster unfolding now. Think of it as a last chance Hail Mary pass.

How about preventing in-camera lobbying?  Some people seem to think that would cause an even bigger disaster.

Yep stop that also. But rule-by- referenda is only going to make things worse. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Yep stop that also. But rule-by- referenda is only going to make things worse. 

Much of what humans seem to try governing themselves with seems to lead to dystopia. Nature's way perhaps.

To be honest though I really do think a few changes to the Lobbying Act would make a world of difference in stopping the deterioration of public trust in it's governance.  I think this mistrust is like a cancer that's gotten so bad it's spread and now manifests as fake-news and alternative facts.  It's like we're in a weird version of the Tower of Babel where instead of not being able to understand one another people simply don't want to.    

[ironstone]

Doug Ford won even with this wild accusation hanging over his head.

Liberal MP accuses Doug Ford of “crimes against humanity” | True North (tnc.news)

Climate change fanaticism at it's worst. How on earth did this idiot Julie Dzerowicz get elected? Crimes against humanity???

[ExFlyer]

On 6/6/2022 at 12:24 AM, BeaverFever said:

That’s a recipe for disaster. It’s a shitshow in the states. In the US Voting takes hours because of the long lineups caused by all the shit on the ballot they have to vote for, and people are asked to vote for or against things that they never heard of before they stepped in to the voting booth or know practically nothing about. 

All the doom-saying in your past few posts yet, whomever you support did not have enough to even put up a good fight and get enough supporters out.

Like the last time, the provincial liberals whined and whined but bottom line is, the voters spoke.

All the conservatives on this forum should be jumping for joy

Edited June 9, 2022 by ExFlyer