US Supreme Court strikes down Roe V. Wade

[Boges]

11 minutes ago, myata said:

OK. Only why are we watching Supreme Court spectacle in this 21st century for that? Five thousand years back they didn't need that. A word of the Supreme Priest would do. Or is it the progress?

 1) The modern methods of abortion have only been around for a few hundred years. 

2) We are at the level of "Quality of Life" where not wanting a child can even be conceived of. For most of human history it was pretty much the only thing humans could strive to do. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by Boges

[myata]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

1) The ability to end a pregnancy has been around for under 200 years. 

More generally though, speaking of liberty from human sacrifice, adult circumcision and such.

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

2) We are at the level of "Quality of Life" where not wanting a child can even be conceived of

OK. So what does that word, above mean? If you have it but not use it, perfectly fine. Only if and when you try to exercise the liberty, there's a problem?

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

life begins at conception

That is a religious belief, not a scientific one.

[Yzermandius19]

51 minutes ago, Boges said:

So you'll quibble that an IUD, Plan B, or the Birth Control Pill are actually Contraception. 

Then we would need to address IVF, where embryos are fertilized in a lab in hopes that they can be separately implanted because natural fertilization has proved difficult for the parents. 

Birth Control pills prevent conception

IVF is fine, as long as the fertilized eggs are preserved for future use and not intentionally destroyed

Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[West]

26 minutes ago, Boges said:

 1) The modern methods of abortion have only been around for a few hundred years. 

2) We are at the level of "Quality of Life" where not wanting a child can even be conceived of. For most of human history it was pretty much the only thing humans could strive to do. 

1. Yes but the dehumanization of a specific group of people (in this case the fetus) has been an effective method of justifying mistreatment of said groups and even murder for millenia. 

2. Blame the corporations and printing money by the government for that. 

[West]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

That is a religious belief, not a scientific one.

Child development starts from inside the womb. They haven't fully developed until adulthood usually around 25. Maybe that should be the cut off age for murder. You know "science" and whatnot

[Boges]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Birth Control pills prevent conception

What about an IUD, Or Plan B/Morning After Pill? 

Baby Murder!?

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, West said:

1. Yes but the dehumanization of a specific group of people (in this case the fetus) has been an effective method of justifying mistreatment of said groups and even murder for millenia. 

See the past several pages of debate about when actually the fetus becomes life. Opinions vary widely. 

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2. Blame the corporations and printing money by the government for that. 

Don't you have having a life expectancy longer than 35 years? 

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That is a religious belief, not a scientific one.

it's scientific too, not just religious

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

See the past several pages of debate about when actually the fetus becomes life. Opinions vary widely.

not all opinions are informed

the uninformed opinions dehumanize human life in an early development stage because it makes them feel better about abortions

any honest person who supports the choice to abort knows it's a human life that is being aborted and supports it regardless

Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

not all opinions are informed

the uninformed opinions dehumanize human life in an early development stage because it makes them feel better about abortions

How is your opinion "informed". It's an objective life that will be a human in a few months. But it's a fetus, not a human. 

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

How is your opinion "informed". It's an objective life that will be a human in a few months. But it's a fetus, not a human. 

it's a human fetus moron

it's a human from conception

with the same DNA it will have as an adult

it being in an early stage of development doesn't make it not human

Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it's a human from conception

Is the embryo also "human"? 

 

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it being in an early stage of development doesn't make not human

It doesn't possess many things that makes one human. Not sure about a Soul.

But only one who believes in a Soul would make such an emphatic declaration. 

[West]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

See the past several pages of debate about when actually the fetus becomes life. Opinions vary widely. 

Don't you have having a life expectancy longer than 35 years? 

1. They did with slavery too. We now widely recognize African Americans as being fully human. Soon enough it'll be the same with a human inside the womb. 

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Is the embryo also "human"? 

yes

it being in an early stage of development does not make it not a human

Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

yes

it being in an early stage of development does not make it not a human

Again, your opinion. Not an objective fact. 

We're going in circles here. 

[Goddess]

11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it's a human from conception

So when couples go for IVF treatments and multiple embryos are there, but only one is implanted and the rest are destroyed....who should go to jail for murder?  Both parents? Just the mother?  The doctor? All of them?

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So when couples go for IVF treatments and multiple embryos are there, but only one is implanted and the rest are destroyed....who should go to jail for murder?  Both parents? Just the mother?  The doctor? All of them?

the one who destroys the rest

that's a moronic practice to destroy those lives

there is no reason that needs to be done

it is obviously deeply immoral to do so

Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[myata]

2 hours ago, West said:

specific group of people (in this case the fetus)

Wow! How much smarter (with d) can it get? Really, we need Supreme Court to hear that?

[Goddess]

Fetus Is Not An Actual Person Philosophy Essay (ukessays.com)

This sort of helps understand both sides of the debate.

I think it's not about when "life" begins, but when "personhood" begins.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I think it's not about when "life" begins, but when "personhood" begins.

Right. Just think of how many of living things that move, smell, feel and whatever else they do in the heartfelt description so must be "babies" - according to definition, those righteous adepts eat every day, and at times more than one (oyster babies; chicken babies, lamb babies and so on). Imagine, eating babies oh horror, horror!

[Yzermandius19]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Fetus Is Not An Actual Person Philosophy Essay (ukessays.com)

This sort of helps understand both sides of the debate.

I think it's not about when "life" begins, but when "personhood" begins.

one side of the debate denies science to justify abortion

the other side acknowledges science and doesn’t

Edited July 1, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, West said:

1. They did with slavery too. We now widely recognize African Americans as being fully human. Soon enough it'll be the same with a human inside the womb. 

FFS again with the idiotic analogies. African Americans are not comparable to blastocysts, embryos and zygotes.

They are not “widely recognized as being fully human”…..they ARE fully human. It is a point of fact not opinion 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2022 by BeaverFever

[West]

40 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

FFS again with the idiotic analogies. African Americans are not comparable to blastocysts, embryos and zygotes.

They are not “widely recognized as being fully human”…..they ARE fully human. It is a point of fact not opinion 

 

 

People like you used the "not fully human" nonsense to justify slavery. You'd be pro slavery if you were alive back then. We both know that. 

Interestingly Margaret Sanger, left wing icon and star baby killing activist, was a eugenicist. Can see the pro baby killing folks continue to use the eugenics arguments to justify the practice.

Edited July 1, 2022 by West

[Yzermandius19]

7 hours ago, Boges said:

Again, your opinion. Not an objective fact. 

We're going in circles here. 

it is actual objective fact

no science exists that suggests it isn't human

lots of science exists that suggests it obviously is

you and others moronically disagreeing doesn't change that