Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boges said: And some states will force a rape victim to have the spawn of her rapist. so? the child is innocent and shouldn't receive a death sentence because of the sins of it's father Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: so? the child is innocent and shouldn't receive a death sentence because of the sins of it's father What of the rights of the mother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boges said: What of the rights of the mother? what right? the "right" to kill a child to preserve feelings is somehow more important than the right to life? not in my books still I disagree if a state government were to ban it but if they do, I certainly see their point life > feelings Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: what right? the right to kill a child to preserve feelings is somehow more important than the right to life? not in my books still I wouldn't want the government to ban it but if they do, I certainly see their point life > feelings Again, you're making the value judgement that a fetus is a child. What of an Embryo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Men don't have to carry the daily reminder of their rape for nine months, so many of them aren't going to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Again, you're making the value judgement that a fetus is a child. What of an Embryo? life begins at conception devaluing human life is thee worst way to attempt to justify abortion that is just evil just because it isn't born doesn't mean it isn't a human or not alive Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, dialamah said: Men don't have to carry the daily reminder of their rape for nine months, so many of them aren't going to get it. many women do and don't agree with you and agree with me so evidently my ability to reason and tell right from wrong isn't compromised by my inability to carry a child and your sexist men should have no say argument is abhorrent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: life begins at conception devaluing human life is thee worst way to attempt to justify abortion that is just evil So back to the restriction of contraception rabbit hole. Edited June 30, 2022 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Boges said: So back to the restriction contraception rabbit hole. it's not getting restricted you panic monkey no state is going to ban contraception Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: it's not getting restricted you panic monkey Well if Life begins at conception then preventing implantation of an embryo is just as much murder as killing a viable baby in the womb. Correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 The point I'm making is there is no way to debate abortion without applying your own morality to it. And there's no consensus on where life begins. So allowing states to dictate these things puts a moral judgement on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Boges said: Well if Life begins at conception then preventing implantation of an embryo is just as much murder as killing a viable baby in the womb. Correct? abortion isn't contraception contraception prevents conception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Boges said: The point I'm making is there is no way to debate abortion without applying your own morality to it. And there's no consensus on where life begins. So allowing states to dictate these things puts a moral judgement on it. you say that like it's a bad thing pretending it isn't a moral issue is asinine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: abortion isn't contraception contraception prevents conception So another value judgement. Is preventing implantation murder? Some "contraception" allows the embryo to form but prevents implantation into the placental wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: you say that like it's a bad thing pretending it isn't a moral issue is asinine Moral positions on this vary greatly however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: if people want to behave irresponsibly there will be negative consequences as a result has nothing to do with me Wait I heard that line before... but of course, vaccine mandates! Hurray, we are all onboard now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Boges said: So another value judgement. Is preventing implantation murder? Some "contraception" allows the embryo to form but prevents implantation into the placental wall. calling that contraception is a misnomer better alternatives that don't terminate human life exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Boges said: Moral positions on this vary greatly however. which is why the federal government shouldn't force their moral position on the states and they should decide for themselves Edited June 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: calling that contraception is a misnomer better alternatives that don't terminate human life exist So you'll quibble that an IUD, Plan B, or the Birth Control Pill are actually Contraception. Then we would need to address IVF, where embryos are fertilized in a lab in hopes that they can be separately implanted because natural fertilization has proved difficult for the parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: which is why the federal government shouldn't force their moral position on the states and they should decide for themselves It's precisely why they should. The Feds aren't advocating for Abortion either. They're stating that it should be the mother's decision. Which is why the right to privacy was invoked in Roe v Wade. Edited June 30, 2022 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, Boges said: What of the rights of the mother? What "child"? Where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, myata said: What "child"? Where? I think if you've been following this thread. The opinion on when an embryo/fetus become a "child" vary significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Boges said: The opinion on when an embryo/fetus become a "child" vary significantly. Not only when, also what has varied significantly, over times. So my opinion can be a valid ground for terminating someone's basic human right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, myata said: Not only when, also what has varied significantly, over times. So my opinion can be a valid ground for terminating someone's basic human right? It also could be valid ground for forcing a woman to give birth to an unwanted by banning them from terminating it at any point. Including fertilization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Boges said: It also could be valid ground for forcing a woman to give birth to an unwanted by banning them from terminating it at any point. Including fertilization. OK. Only why are we watching Supreme Court spectacle in this 21st century for that? Five thousand years back they didn't need that. A word of the Supreme Priest would do. Or is it the progress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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