War In Ukraine

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it is common sense to not allow your political opposition to choose your opinion for you

It does not.

For instance...I am not "for" Russia's invasion of Ukraine, yet I try to understand their grievance.

I am not "against" Ukraine's desire for independence, but I must acknowledge their interesting practices.

I cannot take the position that the global climate is not changing, but I can take the position that crapping on fossil fuels BEFORE we have a workable replacement is...insane.

And I cannot deny global trade, but I must acknowledge the damage globalism has and is doing.

Edited August 23, 2022 by Nationalist

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It does not.

For instance...I am not "for" Russia's invasion of Ukraine, yet I try to understand their grievance.

I am not "against" Ukraine's desire for independence, but I must acknowledge their interesting practices.

I cannot take the position that the global climate is not changing, but I can take the position that crapping on fossil fuels BEFORE we have a workable replacement is...insane.

And I cannot deny global trade, but I must acknowledge the damage globalism has and is doing.

that would be not letting the other side choose your opinions for you

however when you crap on everyone who rightfully criticizes Russia for it's invasion

and you crap on everyone who rightfully praises Ukraine for standing up to the invasion

and lump them in as globalist shills

that is being a reactionary who lets his opposition choose his opinion for him

and it turns potential allies against your cause

your reactionary purity spiral plays right into the globalists hands

Edited August 23, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that would be not letting the other side choose your opinions for you

however when you crap on everyone who rightfully criticizes Russia for it's invasion

and you crap on everyone who rightfully praises Ukraine for standing up to the invasion

and lump them in as globalist shills

that is being a reactionary who lets his opposition choose his opinion for him

and it turns potential allies against your cause

your reactionary purity spiral plays right into the globalists hands

I'm sorry if that's how you perceive my position on these things.

However...generally speaking...those who criticize Russia for this invasion, also like to ignore/deny that Russia has a number of valid concerns...and a MUCH bigger military. They also like to completely ignore the fact that Ukraine is a NATO reject. Yet they want to rush off to war with Russia in many cases. When I die and meet Gawd, I wish to ask him why he/she/it allowed so many humans be blind-ass followers.

That invasion never had to happen in the first place. Now...who shall we blame for setting the stage for the invasion? Russia?

As for the Globalists...they will go along with whatever the MSN spews forth, no matter how asinine. That includes the Euro-Refugees...the open southern border of the USA...this insane idea that farmers need to be trampled on...that the West MUST defend the Ukraine...etc...etc...etc...

Edited August 23, 2022 by Nationalist

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I'm sorry if that's how you perceive my position on these things.

However...generally speaking...those who criticize Russia for this invasion, also like to ignore deny that Russia has a number of valid concerns...and a MUCH bigger military. They also like to completely ignore the fact that Ukraine is a NATO reject. Yet they want to rush off to war with Russia in many case. When I die and meet Gawd, I wish to ask him why he/she/it allowed so many humans be blind-ass followers.

That invasion never had to happen in the first place. Now...who shall we blame for setting the stage for the invasion? Russia?

As for the Globalists...they will go along with whatever the MSN spews forth, no matter how asinine. That includes the Euro-Refugees...the open southern border of the USA...this insane idea that farmers need to be trampled on...that the West MUST defend the Ukraine...etc...etc...etc...

plenty of people criticize Russia for valid reasons

plenty of people praise Ukraine for valid reasons

lumping everyone who does so in with the globalist shills is lazy and counterproductive

you gotta knock that shit off

 

globalists think water is wet

that doesn't mean everyone else who also does is a globalist

if you're not overly triggered by globalists, it's a lot easier not lump everyone in with them

Edited August 23, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

plenty of people criticize Russia for valid reasons

plenty of people praise Ukraine for valid reasons

lumping everyone who does so in with the globalist shills is lazy and counterproductive

you gotta knock that shit off

 

globalists think water is wet

that doesn't mean everyone else who also does is a globalist

if you're not overly triggered by globalists, it's a lot easier to tell the difference

Globalists protect China. Globalists think those Euro-Refugees are a "good" thing. Globalists have opened the US Southern Border to the entire world. Globalists control the World Bank and International Monetary Fund and use them as a club to keep the African nations from developing a reasonable and affordable electrical grid. Globalists are actively destroying the world's economic base. Globalists think the world population needs to be curtailed and are willing to watch people starve in 3rd world nations that depend on the food production of our own farmers and are actively seeking to own all the farm land in the world. Globalists thought Russia was good for producing and distributing fossil fuels to their own homes, until Russia decided to move into Ukraine.

HUMANS and indeed all animals...think water is wet.

And when I read the multitude of arguments on the subject of Russia/Ukraine/NATO...I read the following...

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stop being an anti-western reactionary

To which I replied...

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I'm not an "anti-western reactionary". I want the western world to be allowed to freely enjoy the affluence our forefathers built. I'm an anti-globalist reactionary. And anti-climate change reactionary. An advocate for common sense and an end to this fear-porn crap of the Libbies.

And your reply...

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try not being a reactionary

being reactionary means that you derive your opinion based on the opinion of the thing you are reactionary to

being an anti-globalist reactionary means the globalists need merely take a position where they make opposing opinion look stupid

and you'll take up that opinion falling right into their trap

you are literally allowing the globalists to choose your opinion for you, by being a reactionary to them

do you really want to give them that kind of power over you?

Now...I admit its my fault for letting you drag my attention away from the subject at hand but...after re-reading this nice little exchange, I see your re-direction more clearly.

Take down an opposing view, by making senseless accusations about the one whose opinion you oppose. To...discredit said person...instead of said person's opinion. Indeed...my bad for letting you suck me in like that.

Moving on...this war was over before it ever started. Its time NATO/America quit tempting fate.

The next invasion is likely to be China invading Taiwan. NATO will likely want no part in that. The USA? Who know's but I have a sinking feeling that when China recalls Afghanistan...and then sees this...

Ya...I have a sinking feeling China figures Taiwan is theirs for the taking...

[DogOnPorch]

Looking more into that Poseidon 'torpedo'...I think that thing REALLY makes NATO nervous. The R-28 Sarmat as well...but that torpedo is sort of like the old Cold War Project Pluto (SLAM ram jet drone) on STEROIDS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[Yzermandius19]

39 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Globalists protect China. Globalists think those Euro-Refugees are a "good" thing. Globalists have opened the US Southern Border to the entire world. Globalists control the World Bank and International Monetary Fund and use them as a club to keep the African nations from developing a reasonable and affordable electrical grid. Globalists are actively destroying the world's economic base. Globalists think the world population needs to be curtailed and are willing to watch people starve in 3rd world nations that depend on the food production of our own farmers and are actively seeking to own all the farm land in the world. Globalists thought Russia was good for producing and distributing fossil fuels to their own homes, until Russia decided to move into Ukraine.

HUMANS and indeed all animals...think water is wet.

And when I read the multitude of arguments on the subject of Russia/Ukraine/NATO...I read the following...

To which I replied...

And your reply...

Now...I admit its my fault for letting you drag my attention away from the subject at hand but...after re-reading this nice little exchange, I see your re-direction more clearly.

Take down an opposing view, by making senseless accusations about the one whose opinion you oppose. To...discredit said person...instead of said person's opinion. Indeed...my bad for letting you suck me in like that.

Moving on...this war was over before it ever started. Its time NATO/America quit tempting fate.

The next invasion is likely to be China invading Taiwan. NATO will likely want no part in that. The USA? Who know's but I have a sinking feeling that when China recalls Afghanistan...and then sees this...

Ya...I have a sinking feeling China figures Taiwan is theirs for the taking...

projection is a helluva a drug

accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being a globalist shill is attacking the messenger to discredit the message

that's deflecting

you did that, not me

Edited August 23, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

projection is a helluva a drug

accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being a globalist shill is attacking the messenger to discredit the message

you did that, not me

Ya...go home...I see your misdirection now.

[Yzermandius19]

55 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya...go home...I see your misdirection now.

as usual when you have no argument

you go ad hominem and run from the discussion

like clockwork

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

as usual when you have no argument

you go ad hominem and run from the discussion

like clockwork

lol...

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

lol...

and don't forget the telltale lol

another surefire sign that Nationalist has nothing of substance to say

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

and don't forget the telltale lol

another surefire sign that Nationalist has nothing of substance to say

Oh stop being so pissy-pants.

I caught you trying to distract the point I was trying to make about the topic of this thread.

Get friggin' over it.

This is not the first time and I'd wager it won't be the last.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh stop being so pissy-pants.

I caught you trying to distract the point I was trying to make about the topic of this thread.

Get friggin' over it.

This is not the first time and I'd wager it won't be the last.

you caught your own fault and projected it on me

it is clear for all to read

no one is buying your version of events

you might be able to fool yourself

but that's about it

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you caught your own fault and projected it on me

it is clear for all to read

no one is buying your version of events

you might be able to fool yourself

but that's about it

Groovy...

[athos]

Be careful what you talk about Russia.

?

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

Heh...she thought she was a goner.

[athos]

200,000 Ukrainian soldiers have "disappeared".
By all accounts, the losses of the Ukrainians exceed even the most poetic forecasts.
There have been claims that Ukraine collected 2 billion dollars from transplant clinics in Israel, the USA and Germany.

 

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, athos said:

200,000 Ukrainian soldiers have "disappeared".
By all accounts, the losses of the Ukrainians exceed even the most poetic forecasts.

 

that story is more than two months old

and the Russians have gained hardly any ground since

wishful thinking is a helluva drug

Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[-TSS-]

According to the news Gorbachev has died. I wonder would he have started the war against Ukraine.

[athos]

Vladimir Putin :
"I never asked for anything that wasn't mine." When I watched Russia fall, I promised myself before God that I would save it.
It turns out that now I have to save the whole world, because the demons that have taken over the west have wiped out everything spiritual on this planet"

[DogOnPorch]

Kiev is now Kyiv and Khrushchev suddenly became a Russian.

This new History is amazing Sir Bedevere. Please explain to me again how sheep's bladders can predict the outcomes of battles.

[athos]

 

If someone calls you, introduces himself as the president of Ukraine, asks for money, weapons and hates Russia, don't pay attention. Probably some kind of junkie.

[Luz P.]

[ironstone]

This is pretty interesting.

 

[Luz P.]