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1 hour ago, ironstone said:

1. The above certainly sounds like one world government run by the elites. Well kind of the same thing that's happening now but just with powerful elites that don't uniformly agree on everything.

2. There you have it, fairer outcomes, more equitable outcomes etc. Not equal opportunity, equal outcomes. Sounds like the Green New Deal to me. It seems like we're already seeing the kind of results from this line of thinking, soaring inflation which is hurting the most vulnerable, the poor and middle class. I don't know why anyone would think this is wonderful.

1. Yes and this is very much a Marxist view of things.  I'm not saying that to make you sound ridiculous or incorrect, but the Marxist critique describes the elite class and isn't actually wrong.
2. It sounds to me that they want to reverse the tide of elites benefiting almost exclusively from the changes in the global economy.  Rather than hurting the poor and middle class, this would help them.  But if you don't trust them, I understand why

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3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

1. You're going to turn the world upside down as an experiment. 

2. So who doesn't get to enjoy the reset?

1. Hardly.  Turning the world upside down would mean removing the so-called elites altogether.
2. The 'elites' have to be satisfied with getting a smaller piece of the pie, AFAIC

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1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Hardly.  Turning the world upside down would mean removing the so-called elites altogether.
2. The 'elites' have to be satisfied with getting a smaller piece of the pie, AFAIC

 

You will own nothing and be happy.

Sounds like land seizures. 

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7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I hear a lot of people on here talk about massive changes they want to make to the economy, such as drastic cuts to immigration. So is a reset, on the face of it, a bad idea when people from all sides of the political spectrum ask for it?

For me personally, it's more about who is promoting the specific ideas behind any great reset. I have no control over what happens in other countries and virtually no say in what happens in my own country beyond my right to vote. I am very nervous when most of the people behind the great reset idea seem to be very leftist. I would rather not have my cost of living go through the roof, I do not want to lose the right to voice my opinion even if some disagree with me. It's only my own opinion but I think some policy initiatives make sense while others do not. The US and Canada both have very high levels of immigration, many of them don't speak English or are unskilled. This makes no sense to me. Bringing in English speaking people with skills no matter where they come from makes much more sense. The push to end the use of oil and gas is happening too quickly while the infrastructure(electricity grid) is decades away from being ready. Doesn't make sense to me either.

In a nutshell, my fear is that most of the people behind the great reset idea are far left types and not of the common sense variety. The right does not have a monopoly on common sense either. They overspend way too much just like their counterparts on the left but overall are the least offensive choice at the moment.

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8 minutes ago, ironstone said:

1. I have no control over what happens in other countries and virtually no say in what happens in my own country beyond my right to vote. I am very nervous when most of the people behind the great reset idea seem to be very leftist.

2. I would rather not have my cost of living go through the roof, I do not want to lose the right to voice my opinion even if some disagree with me. It's only my own opinion but I think some policy initiatives make sense while others do not.

3.   my fear is that most of the people behind the great reset idea are far left types and not of the common sense variety. The right does not have a monopoly on common sense either. They overspend way too much just like their counterparts on the left but overall are the least offensive choice at the moment.

1. 3. 'Very leftist' to me would mean at the least anti-capitalist.  I seem to recall a lot of billionaires involved, from Rempel's article... 

“members do include the likes of Sergei Brin, Ivanka Trump, Mark Zuckerberg, Amal Clooney and many of the top up-and-coming political leaders in the G20.  In Canada, Andrew Scheer is a YGL, too. So is Justin Trudeau."

2. I think most if not all people who believe in liberal democracy would be behind this.

Looking at other articles about WEF just now, I was confused because so many criticisms of them come from the 'left': anti-union, anti-government globalism as a multi-corporate governance model.  It has been unopposed to the point where people (like you) on the right are turning against it and we have new initiatives like this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/g20-global-minimum-corporate-tax-15-per-cent-1.6231592#:~:text=Leaders have expressed "broad support,by using low-rate havens.

  

 

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14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. 3. 'Very leftist' to me would mean at the least anti-capitalist.  I seem to recall a lot of billionaires involved, from Rempel's article... 

“members do include the likes of Sergei Brin, Ivanka Trump, Mark Zuckerberg, Amal Clooney and many of the top up-and-coming political leaders in the G20.  In Canada, Andrew Scheer is a YGL, too. So is Justin Trudeau."

2. I think most if not all people who believe in liberal democracy would be behind this.

Looking at other articles about WEF just now, I was confused because so many criticisms of them come from the 'left': anti-union, anti-government globalism as a multi-corporate governance model.  It has been unopposed to the point where people (like you) on the right are turning against it and we have new initiatives like this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/g20-global-minimum-corporate-tax-15-per-cent-1.6231592#:~:text=Leaders have expressed "broad support,by using low-rate havens.

  

 

I'm not wealthy by any stretch but one thing I do share with corporate leaders is that I want my tax level to be lower not higher. I don't actually blame the super wealthy people that use tax loopholes or tax havens, I would do the same thing if I were in their shoes. It might also be argued that if tax rates are the same globally then it will lessen competition. I know this issue is extremely complicated with endless different takes on it.

I think some of the billionaires and millionaires are quite leftist in the sense that they enjoy the fruits of capitalism to the extreme but want the rest of us confined by rules that won't apply to them. I do make a distinction between someone like Elon Musk who is a brilliant man and job creator compared to Justin Trudeau or a George Soros.

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5 minutes ago, ironstone said:

1. I'm not wealthy by any stretch but one thing I do share with corporate leaders is that I want my tax level to be lower not higher.  
2.It might also be argued that if tax rates are the same globally then it will lessen competition. I know this issue is extremely complicated with endless different takes on it.
3. I think some of the billionaires and millionaires are quite leftist in the sense that they enjoy the fruits of capitalism to the extreme but want the rest of us confined by rules that won't apply to them. I do make a distinction between someone like Elon Musk who is a brilliant man and job creator compared to Justin Trudeau or a George Soros.

1. Their taxes have gone down over time, while yours have gone up.  They can meet with the minister of finance and you can't.
2. Yes this is sometimes called 'the race to the bottom'.   
3. They are all job creators on some level - even investment bankers.  The idea that there is some valour in some moneymen vs. others is interesting, I'll give you that.  When it comes to Soros, I always found it odd that so many talked about him when he was far down the list of wealthy influencers in the world... but one of the few actual socialists on the list.

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22 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

At one time Michelle Rempel was a true conservative. Then she took the third name and something happened. She's just another in the herd of the hijacked now. 

If you listen to her she uses the same lingo the brainwashed use. WEF has also infiltrated the Conservative party

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On 2/25/2022 at 9:06 AM, Michael Hardner said:

PS This is a conservative MP from Calgary and - yes - she is an award-receiving invitee to the WEF

She’s part of the club and downplays its significant impact on the direction of policy in Canada, which is a sovereign country, not a sub-jurisdiction of an unelected international authority.  Great Reset is very much about government asserting much greater control over citizens and doing it on a global scale to fight crusades like the “climate crisis”, which is part of the reason free western democracy is at serious risk.

It doesn’t help when Trudeau appears so adamant on keeping vaccine mandates and passports that he’s willing to ignore the concerns of millions of Canadians and bring in the Emergencies Act to crush protesters.  Of course it’s going to raise questions about his plans for the use of digital vaccine passports, as we see digital social credit systems on cell phones used to manage behaviour in totalitarian China.   I think Rempel is part of the problem because she refuses to acknowledge it and enjoys the swish WEF events.  The protests have very much been about the working class versus the elites who are protected by wealth and privilege from the policies they impose on whole countries.

Canadians’ elected MP’s should be worried about the clear and present dangers to our freedoms and standard of living.  Our leaders are insulated from the challenges most Canadians face in their working and family lives. They shouldn’t be giving precious time in their high-paying jobs to global central planning initiatives directed at solving hypothetical future problems.  Voters didn’t sign off on this and we have enough real problems at home. Damn right I’m concerned if Trudeau is a WEF darling and its leader Klaus Schwab says he has penetrated more than half of the Canadian Cabinet.  China has major influence over the WEF and it’s hard not to connect Trudeau’s clear attempts at gaining more central authority over Canadians and the kind of totalitarian control we see in China.  Indeed, Canada is more authoritarian now than I’ve ever experienced in my lifetime — by far.

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56 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. She’s part of the club and downplays its significant impact on the direction of policy in Canada, which is a sovereign country, not a sub-jurisdiction of an unelected international authority.  

2. Great Reset is very much about government asserting much greater control over citizens and doing it on a global scale to fight crusades like the “climate crisis”, which is part of the reason free western democracy is at serious risk.

3.  The protests have very much been about the working class versus the elites who are protected by wealth and privilege from the policies they impose on whole countries.

4. Canadians’ elected MP’s should be worried about the clear and present dangers to our freedoms and standard of living.  Our leaders are insulated from the challenges most Canadians face in their working and family lives. They shouldn’t be giving precious time in their high-paying jobs to global central planning initiatives directed at solving hypothetical future problems.  Voters didn’t sign off on this and we have enough real problems at home.

5. Damn right I’m concerned if Trudeau is a WEF darling and its leader Klaus Schwab says he has penetrated more than half of the Canadian Cabinet.  

 

1. That's sort of what she says yes.

2. They don't care about citizens as much as 1) Investors 2) Consumers and 3) "Resources" which includes minerals, and people.  They have already achieved the part where they loosened control over government though.

3. Deregulation, actually, has been a key goal of WEF in recent decades.

4. You need to unravel where those dangers are coming from.  

5. You should read Rempel again.  Why you think that Schwab has more influence on Canadian policy than, say, a Russian Oligarch who owns a Calgary Energy Company is my question.

The basis of all of this is the neoliberal 'trickle down' theory of economics.  This is the policy that all governments have been pursuing since about 1980.

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2 hours ago, West said:

If you listen to her she uses the same lingo the brainwashed use. WEF has also infiltrated the Conservative party

Oh yeah, there's nothing to see here, New Michelle. Of course not...

"Canadian Parliamentary Speaker, Anthony Rota, Cuts Member’s Feed When He Asks Why Klaus Schwab is ‘Bragging’ About WEF ‘Infiltrating Half of Canada’s Cabinet’"

 

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WEF isn't even a new idea.  It's a repackaged "New World Order" for the modern post-boomer conspiracy nut, with 5G, mind-control chips, Climate Activism and Woke Mob taking over for the Illuminati and Freemasons.

@Infidel Dog
The speaker shut that conversation down because it's make-believe, akin to Putin's rambling nonsense about drug-addicted Nazi's running Ukraine.  It's far-fetched silliness and Parliament doesn't sit to humor that sort of foolishness.  

The fact that nobody was interested in talking about it, of course, is PrOoF.  

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45 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

WEF isn't even a new idea.  It's a repackaged "New World Order" for the modern post-boomer conspiracy nut, with 5G, mind-control chips, Climate Activism and Woke Mob taking over for the Illuminati and Freemasons.

@Infidel Dog
The speaker shut that conversation down because it's make-believe, akin to Putin's rambling nonsense about drug-addicted Nazi's running Ukraine.  It's far-fetched silliness and Parliament doesn't sit to humor that sort of foolishness.  

The fact that nobody was interested in talking about it, of course, is PrOoF.  

No Trudeau was and probably is still trying to hammer through this dystopian agenda that threatens our sovereign democracy because the WEF is an unelected international body that has penetrated more than half of our Cabinet.   The slogan for the 2030 plan?  “You will have nothing and be happy.”   We have good reason to freak out when the government suspends the constitutional rights of citizens, outlaws peaceful protests, and seizes their bank accounts.  It looks a lot like an attempt to outlaw opposition, a clear mark of fascism.  Lametti himself said, “If you’re a Trump supporter you should be worried.”   What?  I’ll support whom I want.  I wasn’t a Trump supporter but I’d take him over a fascist.  At least he kept America out of war.  The fact that Trudeau is clinging to digital passports despite the opposition to them and the science that debunks them, looks very suspect.  I don’t want to live in a society where my rights depend on whether I follow my government’s ideology.  [email protected] social credit and Great Reset dystopia.  

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23 hours ago, ironstone said:

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 

You can disagree with Trudeau's policies without having to tie it to a shadowy conspiracy theory.  

WEF has always been about helping corporate power ascend over national power.  I suspect that social media is what's making people notice this finally, probably because they're going to try to help their companies get infrastructure contracts for Green energy...

 

 

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Actually conspiracies can and do sometimes exist.  What’s very concerning is the way that anyone who questions the government’s narrative is dismissed as spreading disinformation.  We saw this in the way that the MP who questioned the Cabinet’s “penetration” by the WEF was ignored in the House of Commons.  Trudeau dismissed such concerns by talking about “tinfoil hat” people the same way he writes off the concerns of the opposition by saying they “walk with the swastika flag”.  It’s a way to avoid having to explain or provide evidence.  Finally an Ontario court judge has said that such concerns about government policy can’t simply be written off as “unacceptable views”.

This court decision hopefully sets a new precedent with regard to government knows best health and other policies that take away personal discretion   It’s an important assertion of individual Charter rights versus government vaccine mandates   I hope it leads to the removal of federal vaccine mandates, because Trudeau seems adamant about keeping them, even if it alienates millions of Canadians and takes away people’s livelihoods. It’s his insistence on keeping them in the face of opposition and science that makes many people wonder if Trudeau knows something that we don’t and if he has some non-governmental body backing his nonsensical, unconstitutional, draconian policy.

 

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On 2/26/2022 at 7:39 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Rather than hurting the poor and middle class, this would help them.

LOL

Schwab calls for getting rid of 4 billion people, whom he refers to as "useless eaters".

No wonder Trudeau has no problem labelling them racists, misogynists and people who take up space and should not be tolerated.  Geez, where do you think he gets his ideas from?

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42 minutes ago, Goddess said:

LOL

Schwab calls for getting rid of 4 billion people, whom he refers to as "useless eaters".

No wonder Trudeau has no problem labelling them racists, misogynists and people who take up space and should not be tolerated.  Geez, where do you think he gets his ideas from?

Schwab has said we can’t go back to pre-pandemic life.  Really Klaus?  You can lock yourself in your basement and stop interfering with governments and citizens’ rights.  

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On 2/26/2022 at 9:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I hear a lot of people on here talk about massive changes they want to make to the economy, such as drastic cuts to immigration. So is a reset, on the face of it, a bad idea when people from all sides of the political spectrum ask for it?

There's no much to really rally against in the article.  People just think it's weird that all these governments are using the same slogans.  And then crazy people start making up weird conspiracy theories.

Cụm từ BUILD BACK BETTER này "đột... - Tinh Hoa Special | Facebook

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Build Back Better, Canadian edition:

https://www.budget.gc.ca/fes-eea/2020/themes/building-back-better-rebatir-mieux-en.html

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/documents-show-trudeau-warned-of-issues-linked-to-build-back-better-pledge-1.5796040

"Child care providers have been particularly hard-hit by the COVID-19 pandemic. The initial lockdown meant the closure of most child care operations across the country. Even as the economy reopened, the implementation of new public health practices and the uneven return of children in care resulted in financial challenges for many providers, and made more precarious the work of over 200,000 early childhood educators and child care workers across the country.

Now is the time to make long-term, sustained investments so that every Canadian family has access to high-quality, affordable and inclusive child care. As a first step, this Fall Economic Statement is announcing key early investments to lay the groundwork for a Canada-wide child care system, and the federal government’s commitment to working in partnership with provinces, territories and Indigenous peoples."

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Canada’s lobbying rules and accountability mechanisms for parliamentarians are strict. We cannot accept gifts from lobbyists. Corporate election donations are banned, and individual donations are capped at $1,675 a person. Outside organizations can’t buy a member of Parliament off, which is a very good thing for our democracy.

I love how she tries to sway her readers that, in Canada, politicians cannot be bought. LMFAO!!

Also, if she knew anything about money, it's that if you give people control over its supply, then you give those people the ability to steal from others - through inflation, taxes, interest rates, etc.

It is sad to see so many politicians ignorant to the inner workings of our broken monetary system, and how influential it is in the decisions they make on behalf of their constituents. 🙁

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